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Windows 8 Security

Lewis

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Windows 8 Security: What's New

Windows 8 is a major OS overhaul, but some of the most important additions might be the ones you can't see. Here's a look at Windows 8's new security tools and features.

PCWorld May 17, 2012 9:00 pm
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The Start screen is the most obvious change to Windows 8, but some of the biggest changes are less apparent. When Windows 8 comes out later this year, the new Start screen and Metro-style apps will likely be the first changes you'll notice, but those aren't the only things that are new. Microsoft is also making some serious security enhancements to help keep your system safer and to improve Windows' ability to combat viruses and malware. It just may be the biggest improvement to Windows security yet.
Antivirus Comes Preinstalled

For the first time in the history of Windows, you’ll enjoy protection from viruses, spyware, Trojan horses, rootkits, and other malware from the very first day you turn on your Windows PC--without spending a cent. Windows 8 comes with an updated version of Windows Defender that includes traditional antivirus functions in addition to the spyware protection and other security features that it has offered since Windows Vista. Windows Defender now provides similar protection--and a similar look and feel--to that of the free Microsoft Security Essentials antivirus program, which Microsoft has offered to users as an optional download since 2009.
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The updated Windows Defender resembles Microsoft Security Essentials.
Since Windows Defender will provide at least basic virus and malware protection, purchasing yearly antivirus subscriptions (such as from McAfee or Norton) or downloading a free antivirus package (like AVG or Avast) is optional, whereas before it was pretty much required if you wanted to stay virus-free. Of course, you may disable Windows Defender and use another antivirus utility that promises better protection and more features, but at least everyone will have basic protection by default.
Better Download Screening

When Microsoft released Internet Explorer 9, it updated the browser's SmartScreen Filter to help detect and block unknown and potentially malicious programs that you download; the function complements IE's website filtering, which works to block phishing and malicious sites. Starting with Windows 8, the program-monitoring portion of the SmartScreen Filter is built into Windows itself, and it will work whether you’re using IE, Firefox, Chrome, or any other browser.
In Windows 8, the first time you run a program that you downloaded from the Internet, the SmartScreen Filter checks it against a list of known safe applications, and alerts you if it’s unknown and therefore has the potential to be malware. If the alert does pop up, you could then further investigate the program (and the source where you downloaded it) before running it.
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SmartScreen produces an alert if you run an unknown program.
Since Microsoft is adding the SmartScreen feature, the company is removing the previous Security Warning alerts that appeared when you first opened a downloaded program (the old alert would show the verification status of the program publisher and warn you about running programs downloaded from the Internet).
This is a welcome change, as it cuts down on the number of alerts you have to click through--with Windows 8, you'll see an alert only when something's amiss.
Faster, More Secure Startup

Starting with Windows 8, Microsoft will begin to promote a new type of boot method, UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface), which improves upon and replaces the archaic BIOS boot system that most PCs have been using for decades. I won't get into the technical details here, but UEFI offers better security, faster startup times, and a number of other benefits.
Thanks to this new boot method (and other system enhancements), your PC will start up more quickly--in as little as 8 seconds, from the time you press the power button to when Windows fully loads to the desktop. But you're sure to appreciate the less noticeable improvements too. The Secure Boot feature of UEFI will prevent advanced malware (such as bootkits and rootkits) from causing damage, and it will stop other boot loader attacks (such as malware that loads unauthorized operating systems) as well.
Though Windows 8 will work on PCs with the old BIOS boot system, Microsoft will require new PCs that carry the Windows 8 Certification to use the UEFI boot system with the Secure Boot feature enabled by default. This Secure Boot requirement is causing some concern within the PC industry and among power users, as it could complicate the process of using Linux distributions or dual-booting multiple operating systems. However, Microsoft has promised to keep boot control in users' hands, and the company requires system makers participating in Windows 8 Certification to offer a way for users to disable the Secure Boot feature on PCs (but not on tablets).
Two New Password Types

Windows 8 introduces two new password types that you can use when logging in to your Windows account: a four-digit PIN and a "picture password."
For the picture password, you choose a photo or image and draw three gestures (a combination of circles, straight lines, or taps/clicks) in different places to create your “password.”
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Even if you decide to use these new password types, you still must set up a regular password. A PIN offers a faster way to log in, and a picture password gives you a more creative and fun way to do so. Sometimes you’ll have to enter the regular password, such as when you need administrative approval for changing system settings as a standard user, but you can log in to your account using the PIN, the picture, or your regular password.
Other Noteworthy Defense Measures

The enhanced Windows Defender, SmartScreen, boot system, and password protection are the most noticeable security improvements in Windows 8. But the new OS has even more system enhancements that you won't see at all. A few core Windows components (such as the Windows kernel, ASLR, and heap) have been updated to help reduce common attacks and exploits even further.
Eric Geier is a freelance tech writer. He’s also the founder of NoWiresSecurity, which provides a cloud-based Wi-Fi security service for businesses, and On Spot Techs, which provides on-site computer services.
 
Yeah I was wondering that about the new boot method, if hardware was created to kiss up to Microsoft then Linux and other distributions may have a hard time running. There's nothing IMO Microsoft would love more than to put the nails in the coffin of Linux. They got their way with removing floppy drives, but Linux geeks are smart and will somehow keep up with the times. They had no trouble with using USB for instance.
 
Yeah I was wondering that about the new boot method, if hardware was created to kiss up to Microsoft then Linux and other distributions may have a hard time running. There's nothing IMO Microsoft would love more than to put the nails in the coffin of Linux. They got their way with removing floppy drives, but Linux geeks are smart and will somehow keep up with the times. They had no trouble with using USB for instance.

Intel was the one behind the removal of the old BIOS and replaced it with UEFI. Microsoft really didn't have anything to do with it, so you can rest easy about it. Linux really isn't that much of a threat to Microsoft in the home market anyway, since most users like the fact that Windows XP and later versions/OS X are easier to use.

If you want Linux to succeed and move marketshare then it needs to evolve into an easy to use OS that you do not need to know archaic commands just install drivers and software. Apple was able to do it with their version of Unix, so there's no real excuse for Linux to not to do the same.
 
If you want Linux to succeed and move marketshare then it needs to evolve into an easy to use OS that you do not need to know archaic commands just install drivers and software. Apple was able to do it with their version of Unix, so there's no real excuse for Linux to not to do the same.

One question. Did you ever use Linux?
 
One question. Did you ever use Linux?

Yes, I've used Linux before. The first time I used it back in '96 and ran into problems with there not being drivers for half of my hardware. I tried it again with Linux Mint just a few months ago and I wasn't surprised to find that I still couldn't find drivers for half of my hardware. Install, for both programs and drivers, on both Red Hat and Linux Mint required archaic 50 year old commands to install anything that were present when Unix was first released. Like I said if Linux can ever get their act together with drivers etc... then maybe the world will adopt it, but until then it's not even worth it for the home user to use.
 
yeah it does seem like, if Linux was all that, it would be very popular, but it is not like Windows and Macs
 
Yes, I've used Linux before. The first time I used it back in '96 and ran into problems with there not being drivers for half of my hardware. I tried it again with Linux Mint just a few months ago and I wasn't surprised to find that I still couldn't find drivers for half of my hardware. Install, for both programs and drivers, on both Red Hat and Linux Mint required archaic 50 year old commands to install anything that were present when Unix was first released. Like I said if Linux can ever get their act together with drivers etc... then maybe the world will adopt it, but until then it's not even worth it for the home user to use.

Yeah, well, my friend you are not up to date. I use Linux Ubuntu 11.10 and while awaiting your answer easily and effortlessly updated to Ubuntu 12.04 with a mere push of a button. Simpler than Microsoft which I had nothing but grief. Plus no viruses, nor does the OS act gluttonous by slowing up over time even without a virus.

What the heck kind of hardware do you use that Linux does not support? Ubuntu works with devices such as my B & N Android nook that at least my Microsoft XP cannot understand the filing system. I have no home experience with windows 7, but I read forum gripes that Microsoft windows 7 could not properly connect to a B & N nook. I know that at work windows 7 cannot read a .ods file I created here at home on Linux, but my Ubuntu can read an .xls file easily and effortlessly. I had to cater to Microsoft and convert the .ods file to an .xls file for the windows 7 to understand. Nothing like a self-absorbed and clannish OS that only understands itself as if it is the universal standard for everything. Likewise Ubuntu connects to all portable devices, smart phones, etc. if one's into videos and music.

And when windows gets one of its quarterly viruses, even with ultimate viral protection, a dual boot with Linux often solves the problem as Linux can save Microsoft from its serious infirmities and clear that nasty virus off of the HD.

I think the factual examples I just gave shows Linux is an OS worth it's salt.
 
yeah it does seem like, if Linux was all that, it would be very popular, but it is not like Windows and Macs

Lewis:

You have to understand that Linux is like the Libertarian party. Nobody seems to know it exists. Most people are sheeple and follow the crowd. And Microsoft, like mainline Democratic or Republican parties, are the people leading the "path of least resistance". Most people use Microsoft not because it's the best, but because they know no better and think that's all there is. They just conform to the "norm".

Where the masses go is not indicative of truth.
 
Yeah, well, my friend you are not up to date. I use Linux Ubuntu 11.10 and while awaiting your answer easily and effortlessly updated to Ubuntu 12.04 with a mere push of a button. Simpler than Microsoft which I had nothing but grief. Plus no viruses, nor does the OS act gluttonous by slowing up over time even without a virus.

What the heck kind of hardware do you use that Linux does not support? Ubuntu works with devices such as my B & N Android nook that at least my Microsoft XP cannot understand the filing system. I have no home experience with windows 7, but I read forum gripes that Microsoft windows 7 could not properly connect to a B & N nook. I know that at work windows 7 cannot read a .ods file I created here at home on Linux, but my Ubuntu can read an .xls file easily and effortlessly. I had to cater to Microsoft and convert the .ods file to an .xls file for the windows 7 to understand. Nothing like a self-absorbed and clannish OS that only understands itself as if it is the universal standard for everything. Likewise Ubuntu connects to all portable devices, smart phones, etc. if one's into videos and music.

And when windows gets one of its quarterly viruses, even with ultimate viral protection, a dual boot with Linux often solves the problem as Linux can save Microsoft from its serious infirmities and clear that nasty virus off of the HD.

I think the factual examples I just gave shows Linux is an OS worth it's salt.

Well, that's your opinion that I'm not up to date, but I did use Linux Mint 12. Guess what? It took me a click of a button to update Windows as well. Sudo commands are for the birds. I'm tired of the Linux has no viruses mantra. Linux has viruses like OS X and Windows do. It's just harder to implement them on Linux. The real reason why Linux doesn't have many viruses is because there are not many users that use it. The latest survey of PC users show that Linux holds a 2% market share in the OS arena. OS X holds 10% and the rest is Windows. Linux will not gain market share unless they do away with the archaic commands to install anything and have better driver support.

Well let's try ATI Radeon HD 68xx series of cards for one. The old Netgear wireless NIC I have and so on.

Windows understands .ods files just fine. It is the file extension for Open Office which the last time I checked was platform independent. You can easily install Open Office onto a Windows system and open up .ods and .doc files just fine. Windows understands the FAT32 file system just fine and has since Windows 95. I've never had a problem connecting my phone or any device to Windows 7 or XP for that matter. It's a matter of having the right drivers, something that Linux lacks big time.

Speaking of clannish behavior. You have exhibited this behavior to me in just this thread and the one about my new computer build. It takes a lot of gall to tell someone to buy a console instead of using Windows for an OS. Asking for help on Linux forums is just opening yourself up to all types of abuse like you're a retard etc... Linux and clannish go hand in hand. Everyone that doesn't use Linux and uses Windows are the enemy. Heck, your original reply in this thread shows how clannish and closed minded you are in regards to Windows. All of the Linux users I've met seem to have the same mindset of Mac users. If it's Linux then it's the bestest out there, but Windows is for dummies etc...
 
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Lewis:

You have to understand that Linux is like the Libertarian party. Nobody seems to know it exists. Most people are sheeple and follow the crowd. And Microsoft, like mainline Democratic or Republican parties, are the people leading the "path of least resistance". Most people use Microsoft not because it's the best, but because they know no better and think that's all there is. They just conform to the "norm".

Where the masses go is not indicative of truth.

There we go with the insults that typically follow from Linux and Mac cultists. People know about Linux and do not use it because it is not easy to use. Almost all of the OEM computer manufacturers have sold computers with Linux installed and their customers end up buying a separate copy of Windows 7. There is no program support and customer support of the OS consists of being verbally abused by Linux users. I forgot to mention that the average Linux user manual is roughly 100 pages of archaic DOS commands that you have to enter into the shell along with the DOS commands. At least, Windows and OS X have ditched DOS once and for all 12 years ago. When will Linux catch up?
 
Sudo commands are for the birds.
For the record, I never knew what a sudo command was until after I installed Linux. When, for example, I found a bug, and I will admit Linux, as all OS's, have bugs, the Linux geeks seems to love sudo commands. However, I found that the repository also had installable programs that do the same thing, and I fixed the problem without a sudo command. This is an OS that grandma is comfortable with. Where is that Taylor guy on this forum when you need him? He refurbished old computers with Linux, and gave them out to people, and he says he rarely has anyone return it with any problems. They leave his shop or house wherever he puts them together and never hears about them again.

Linux has viruses like OS X and Windows do.
Yeah, right, and Microsoft has cancer, respiratory illnesses, heart disease, psychosis and constantly runs to the doctor, and you will compare that to a healthy fellow who has colds once in a blue moon as if he's just as sick? Name just 3 viruses for Linux in the wild right now. Just 3, and not over a periods of time like 10 years, either. When I returned from a Florida visit lasting a week and a half, the one Microsoft computer I have updated the virus definitions for over 100 new viruses that were out there in that short time. No comparison. Even the military ditched windows control for one of their drones in favor of Linux because of a virus issue.

There we go with the insults that typically follow from Linux and Mac cultists....... The real reason why Linux doesn't have many viruses is because there are not many users that use it.
Most of the net is based on Linux and has been for a long, long time. Why would someone care about a Microsoft PC when they could mess up the whole net? And again, portable devices use Unix based software long before Microsoft got into that market. If the number of users has anything to do with it, then those devices would be infected like crazy by now, but they aren't. The reason? Not because of the number of users, but can we all say, "architecture"? That's the escape hatch for those in denial --- they don't want to admit their Microsoft idol has virus flaws. Talk about a cultist. You have to admit, as gen x would say, "I've been there and done that" and if something or someone has my wrath, you can be rest assured they well deserve it considering I'm one who can adapt very well in circumstances and I am very forgiving.

OK, OK, I'll admit that Microsoft is better at gaming. That's your choice. I'm talking about PC functions like an old codger like me and grandma would use it for: browsing, e-mails, forums, specific applications (say, a financial program, text editing, spreadsheets and business presentations), maybe videos and news sites, etc. Linux is better without worrying about malware and walking on eggshells.

Use the Microsoft for a special thing that only it can do, but then for the everyday stuff, it's best to steer away from it, either by dual boot, or a separate computer.
 
For the record, I never knew what a sudo command was until after I installed Linux. When, for example, I found a bug, and I will admit Linux, as all OS's, have bugs, the Linux geeks seems to love sudo commands. However, I found that the repository also had installable programs that do the same thing, and I fixed the problem without a sudo command. This is an OS that grandma is comfortable with. Where is that Taylor guy on this forum when you need him? He refurbished old computers with Linux, and gave them out to people, and he says he rarely has anyone return it with any problems. They leave his shop or house wherever he puts them together and never hears about them again.

Not all grandmas, but a small sample size. The bigger sample shows that people who tried Linux usually end up back with Windows or go to OS X.

Yeah, right, and Microsoft has cancer, respiratory illnesses, heart disease, psychosis and constantly runs to the doctor, and you will compare that to a healthy fellow who has colds once in a blue moon as if he's just as sick? Name just 3 viruses for Linux in the wild right now. Just 3, and not over a periods of time like 10 years, either. When I returned from a Florida visit lasting a week and a half, the one Microsoft computer I have updated the virus definitions for over 100 new viruses that were out there in that short time. No comparison. Even the military ditched windows control for one of their drones in favor of Linux because of a virus issue.

I'm going to quote Wikipedia on this.

The following is a partial list of known Linux malware. However, few if any are in the wild, and most have been rendered obsolete by Linux updates. Known malware is not the only or even the most important threat: new malware or attacks directed to specific sites can use vulnerabilities previously unknown to the community or unused by malware.

[edit]Trojans
Kaiten - Linux.Backdoor.Kaiten trojan horse[22]
Rexob - Linux.Backdoor.Rexob trojan[23]
Waterfall screensaver backdoor - on gnome-look.org[24]
[edit]Viruses
42 [25][26]
Arches [27]
Alaeda - Virus.Linux.Alaeda[28]
Bad Bunny - Perl.Badbunny[6][29]
Binom - Linux/Binom[30]
Bliss - requires root privileges
Brundle[31]
Bukowski[32]
Caveat [33][34]
Coin [35][36]
Diesel - Virus.Linux.Diesel.962[37]
Hasher [38][39]
Kagob a - Virus.Linux.Kagob.a[40]
Kagob b - Virus.Linux.Kagob.b[41]
Lacrimae (aka Crimea) [42][43]
MetaPHOR (also known as Simile)[44]
Nuxbee - Virus.Linux.Nuxbee.1403[45]
OSF.8759
PiLoT[46][47]
Podloso - Linux.Podloso (The iPod virus)[48][49]
RELx [50]
Rike - Virus.Linux.Rike.1627[51]
RST - Virus.Linux.RST.a[52] (known for infecting Korean release of Mozilla Suite 1.7.6 and Thunderbird 1.0.2 in September 2005[53])
Satyr - Virus.Linux.Satyr.a[54]
Staog - obsoleted by updates
Vit - Virus.Linux.Vit.4096[55]
Winter - Virus.Linux.Winter.341[56]
Winux (also known as Lindose and PEElf)[57]
Wit virus[58]
ZipWorm - Virus.Linux.ZipWorm[59]
[edit]Worms
Adm - Net-Worm.Linux.Adm[60]
Adore[61]
Cheese - Net-Worm.Linux.Cheese[62]
Devnull
Kork[63]
Linux/Lion
Linux/Lupper.worm[64]
Mighty - Net-Worm.Linux.Mighty[65]
Millen - Linux.Millen.Worm[66]
Ramen worm - targeted only Red Hat Linux distributions versions 6.2 and 7.0
Slapper[67]
SSH Bruteforce[68]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Viruses

The lack of viruses is attributed directly to the market share of the OS. Windows has the most viruses because it is the predominate OS. OS X comes in second because it holds second place. Linux comes in third because it's third in market share. It's not rocket science to understand this. Hackers and phreakers target Windows because it is the most used OS out there. They even said it at their annual conference they hold this is why they attack Windows.

As far as the military switching, great, but that's only for drones. The government has used Linux for most of their servers and when Anonymous brought down the FBI, CIA, and other government web sites shows that Linux is not immune to attacks. It's more difficult.

Onto a related subject, which is how each OS handles viruses. Microsoft publicly acknowledges the threat and issues a warning to users. Apple hides behind a wall of secrecy every time a threat is found. Linux just buries its head in the sand ignoring that there are threats to it.

Most of the net is based on Linux and has been for a long, long time. Why would someone care about a Microsoft PC when they could mess up the whole net? And again, portable devices use Unix based software long before Microsoft got into that market. If the number of users has anything to do with it, then those devices would be infected like crazy by now, but they aren't. The reason? Not because of the number of users, but can we all say, "architecture"? That's the escape hatch for those in denial --- they don't want to admit their Microsoft idol has virus flaws. Talk about a cultist. You have to admit, as gen x would say, "I've been there and done that" and if something or someone has my wrath, you can be rest assured they well deserve it considering I'm one who can adapt very well in circumstances and I am very forgiving.

Actually, most of the net originally was based on Unix and System/360 then switched to DOS/VS and Unix. Linux only came onto the scene as a mainframe OS in the late 80's when Linus created the Linux kernel. Since that time, it's been Intel's OS, Linux, and Windows being used on mainframes for the net.

I am the first to admit that Microsoft has flaws and viruses, but I also know that viruses also are on every OS out there.

OK, OK, I'll admit that Microsoft is better at gaming. That's your choice. I'm talking about PC functions like an old codger like me and grandma would use it for: browsing, e-mails, forums, specific applications (say, a financial program, text editing, spreadsheets and business presentations), maybe videos and news sites, etc. Linux is better without worrying about malware and walking on eggshells.

Use the Microsoft for a special thing that only it can do, but then for the everyday stuff, it's best to steer away from it, either by dual boot, or a separate computer.

Funny, but I can do all of that just fine with safety and security while never getting a virus. Want to know why I don't get a virus? It's because I use common sense over what I download and install. The last time I got a virus was back in 1998 on Win 98 because I was stupid and opened up a file I downloaded. Now days, the virus scanners I use detect the virus even before I can open up the software, archive, etc... and removes them from my system.
 
Not all grandmas, but a small sample size. The bigger sample shows that people who tried Linux usually end up back with Windows or go to OS X.



I'm going to quote Wikipedia on this.

The following is a partial list of known Linux malware. However, few if any are in the wild, and most have been rendered obsolete by Linux updates. Known malware is not the only or even the most important threat: new malware or attacks directed to specific sites can use vulnerabilities previously unknown to the community or unused by malware.

[edit]Trojans
Kaiten - Linux.Backdoor.Kaiten trojan horse[22]
Rexob - Linux.Backdoor.Rexob trojan[23]
Waterfall screensaver backdoor - on gnome-look.org[24]
[edit]Viruses
42 [25][26]
Arches [27]
Alaeda - Virus.Linux.Alaeda[28]
Bad Bunny - Perl.Badbunny[6][29]
Binom - Linux/Binom[30]
Bliss - requires root privileges
Brundle[31]
Bukowski[32]
Caveat [33][34]
Coin [35][36]
Diesel - Virus.Linux.Diesel.962[37]
Hasher [38][39]
Kagob a - Virus.Linux.Kagob.a[40]
Kagob b - Virus.Linux.Kagob.b[41]
Lacrimae (aka Crimea) [42][43]
MetaPHOR (also known as Simile)[44]
Nuxbee - Virus.Linux.Nuxbee.1403[45]
OSF.8759
PiLoT[46][47]
Podloso - Linux.Podloso (The iPod virus)[48][49]
RELx [50]
Rike - Virus.Linux.Rike.1627[51]
RST - Virus.Linux.RST.a[52] (known for infecting Korean release of Mozilla Suite 1.7.6 and Thunderbird 1.0.2 in September 2005[53])
Satyr - Virus.Linux.Satyr.a[54]
Staog - obsoleted by updates
Vit - Virus.Linux.Vit.4096[55]
Winter - Virus.Linux.Winter.341[56]
Winux (also known as Lindose and PEElf)[57]
Wit virus[58]
ZipWorm - Virus.Linux.ZipWorm[59]
[edit]Worms
Adm - Net-Worm.Linux.Adm[60]
Adore[61]
Cheese - Net-Worm.Linux.Cheese[62]
Devnull
Kork[63]
Linux/Lion
Linux/Lupper.worm[64]
Mighty - Net-Worm.Linux.Mighty[65]
Millen - Linux.Millen.Worm[66]
Ramen worm - targeted only Red Hat Linux distributions versions 6.2 and 7.0
Slapper[67]
SSH Bruteforce[68]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Viruses

Ubuntu here works like the Mac OS. I want to leave Mac out of this because I have nothing against Mac's exccept they are expensive OS's albeit very good OS's. So if grandma has trouble withUbuntu, she'll have trouble with a Mac and go to Microsoft only. Then she can be like my one sister-in-law that bugged me weekly to "fix" her PC. Likewise, my other brother-in-law used to send countless viruses by forwarding email, until smart sister-in-law got tired of all the viruses in their computer and those he sent out. Got him a Mac 3 years ago --- he got zip viruses, nada, nothing, not even this "latest" Mac malware that the self-assured media had to dig up and likes to smirk about.

I am well familiar with that list, and that spans many years (not days) and many of those were not in the wild and they did not run on all platforms, either. Security patches (which Linux offers several times a week on its updater) fixes that stuff fast. The architecture of Linux is such that a virus will not spread fast, and do minimal damage(i.e. no damage to OS system files) since one is not running it as the root user. And even if it could, it's such that it won't spread to other machines.
Like a biological virus, if it can't reproduce fast enough, it dies out, and Linux is a bad medium for virus growth so-to-speak.

Funny, but I can do all of that just fine with safety and security while never getting a virus. Want to know why I don't get a virus? It's because I use common sense over what I download and install. The last time I got a virus was back in 1998 on Win 98 because I was stupid and opened up a file I downloaded. Now days, the virus scanners I use detect the virus even before I can open up the software, archive, etc... and removes them from my system.
Since this is a thread on Microsoft Security, technically speaking I don't have to be on the defensive. In my Microsofting days I thought the same thing of myself and boasted I hardly ever got them, either, and people who did where somehow dupes and not careful, until one day...... One so bad I had to format and reload. That shut me up and cut me down to size.

Must I list those 4 common ways I got a virus on Microsoft all over again? I mentioned them ad nauseum and BTW, I had a worse virus problem on Windows XP Pro than windows 98SE which I only scanned online once a week.

Tell ya what, if Linux ever becomes the viral and security nightmare Windows became, I'll switch back to Windows (although I'll still have to pay for Windows whereas Linux would still be free).

And in closing, I'll leave you with this quote you can google to the article (although dated) still very relevant today:

To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Windows box, you just need to work on it.

And for a Mac perk as well, for those 70% of the college kids where my son goes that have Macs, I remember an article quote saying to the effect, "As Macs become more popular you will see more viruses in two years." Yeah, right. That was back in 2007--- he has yet to hear of one virus on those, too.
 
I've been using Windows 8 for a few months now, and I am posting on the new Consumer Edition right now. It works great.

Since I don't have a touchscreen, I use Metro as if it were a program loaded with my favorite free aps.
 
I've been using Windows 8 for a few months now, and I am posting on the new Consumer Edition right now. It works great.

Since I don't have a touchscreen, I use Metro as if it were a program loaded with my favorite free aps.
I used it for about 3 days, I forgot to tun on the virtual machine, and it intergrated into the system. I had to do a clean install of Windows 7. But the more I played around with it the more I liked it.
Windows 8 is going to be a hard to beat OS, this OS has a lot going on and I mean a lot. I give it 5 stars:thumbsup
 
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