Women submitting to their husbands

[His_nee (Jeff)]

how many of you guys have actually prayed about this issue? I feel like this is less about what is right and more about BEING right. We need to all do a heart check then go back and re-read this.

like I posted yesterday or other, it will take time, and Yhwh's permission. (that's for me too, for everyone)
Yhwh won't teach us , any of us, anything when we are not joyfully seeking Him to learn from Him, and willing already to do whatever He says to do, even if we must (as we must) suffer and die for it.
Yhwh waits patiently. and with many warnings in Scripture to the ekklesia "harden not your hearts as in the wilderness, when many fell do to their unbelief." and "today, listen to God while it is still today"
and most amazingly of all "God keeps re-scheduling 'today' to give everyone the most opportunity to listen and obey Him".

but He doesn't do this forever. there comes and end. and He gives another direct warning, several, in Revelation. the first 3 chapters and the last 3 chapters especially, while not discounting all the rest.

the warnings all through Scripture, many of them, are to God's people, not to the pagans. God is serious as well as merciful and gracious. God is holy and righteous, and will not allow anything unholy or unrighteous in heaven.

 

[Obadiah]

"honey look at the numbers we simply can't give 10% this year."

"I really don't feel that God is leading us to give to that organization to the poor"
With this one he really might not feel like God is leading him to give to the organization. His heart may be in the right place and everything however it might not be God giving him that feeling but another spirit of some sort. That's why it's always good for a woman to double check. ;-)

Look, I'm in college, I don't know how the real world works. I don't know how married life works. I know both men and women have hearts that can be deceived and even with the best intentions can be led astray. So if a man is in that situation and a woman picks up on it, why should she be forced to go along with it?

Somehow I thought you would have had much stronger examples than a disagreement over tithing or which organization to support. These are things that many Christians aren't in agreement on and it might be hard to convince witnesses or the church (Matt 18:15-17, which I believe applies to all Christians, including husbands and wives) that your husband is totally out of bounds with scripture. When you talk of husbands abusing their wives, up until this post I had thought you meant things more along the line of physical beatings, imprisonment, adultery, the old "women should be kept barefoot and pregnant" attitude, and things such as this that are actually very common in today's society. In this, I think you may be right when you say "Look, I'm in college, I don't know how the real world works." Hey, I was the same way when I was in college and had never experienced these kind of things yet.

alright well if you guys don't even want to CONSIDER how I think or do a heart check then there is no point in me continuing this. You are right, this world is corrupt and full of evil people. God's word is not evil, it cannot produce evil. If you look at some of these comments, some are suggesting that harm come to women in the name of Christ because the Bible says so. *shakes head* If God's view for marriage is mutual submission then why should the woman HAVE to suffer and be subject to abuse? I am sorry but your arguments do not hold. They essentially amout to "do it because the Bible says so" I am saying "husbands shape up and be worth submitting to and don't reduce women to subservient blind bimbos without a brain!" Thank you and I am done with this thread and this website!

I'm sure sorry to hear you say this. You know, not all us "guys" are disagreeing with you here but yet you seem to be painting everyone with the same broad brush. Sometimes it takes a lot of patience to discuss controversial areas of God's word without getting overly upset and insulting about it. (I know this, I'm constantly working on improving my own patience too!) I wish you would re-consider your decision to leave just because not everyone is seeing this issue the same way you are. Sometimes it's better to agree to disagree but still get your point across to everyone reading it, rather then to run off and stop saying anything at all.

 

[Edward]

If you agreed with all except the last line then laybe I need to make it clearer. The whole thing is circular. When I say do not obey from reading the article you should know that that goes back to what the article says about saying no and respecting the husband. Geez!

Well perhaps I spoke too fast there then. The bulk of the article seemed to make sense, but when it says to not obey then I would have to disagree with that also sister.

alright well if you guys don't even want to CONSIDER how I think or do a heart check then there is no point in me continuing this. You are right, this world is corrupt and full of evil people. God's word is not evil, it cannot produce evil. If you look at some of these comments, some are suggesting that harm come to women in the name of Christ because the Bible says so. *shakes head* If God's view for marriage is mutual submission then why should the woman HAVE to suffer and be subject to abuse? I am sorry but your arguments do not hold. They essentially amout to "do it because the Bible says so" I am saying "husbands shape up and be worth submitting to and don't reduce women to subservient blind bimbos without a brain!" Thank you and I am done with this thread and this website!

Well...what makes you better than Christ, sister? He suffered many abuses while He was here, and we are promised the same. At the same time, we are instructed to obey the Lord and walk with Him. Suffering builds in us patience, perseverance and other good qualities which are obviously needed for our growth and walk with the Lord.

Can you back up your position with any scripture, sister? For this is where we are to turn to for our guidance in our conduct.

For all you know, your position with your particular husband is your mission that the Lord wants you to perform for Him. His plan for your life here. You don't want to fail the Lord do you?

 

[jeff77]

I think men and women are equal in God's eyes but we have different roles and purposes in life. I keep hearing "what society says about women". This might be where the negativity comes in because what society says is not what the Bible says. In fact society probably wants to interpret the Bible to say something different about the role of men and women.

 

[agua.]

alright well if you guys don't even want to CONSIDER how I think or do a heart check then there is no point in me continuing this. You are right, this world is corrupt and full of evil people. God's word is not evil, it cannot produce evil. If you look at some of these comments, some are suggesting that harm come to women in the name of Christ because the Bible says so. *shakes head* If God's view for marriage is mutual submission then why should the woman HAVE to suffer and be subject to abuse? I am sorry but your arguments do not hold. They essentially amout to "do it because the Bible says so" I am saying "husbands shape up and be worth submitting to and don't reduce women to subservient blind bimbos without a brain!" Thank you and I am done with this thread and this website!

Now you get back here and do what you're told !

( sorry Jesusfreak I couldn't resist I'm an insufferable clown )

 

[Deborah13]

"honey look at the numbers we simply can't give 10% this year."

"I really don't feel that God is leading us to give to that organization to the poor"
With this one he really might not feel like God is leading him to give to the organization. His heart may be in the right place and everything however it might not be God giving him that feeling but another spirit of some sort. That's why it's always good for a woman to double check. ;-)

imo
This is a Christian man so this wife is already blessed.
In the example you have given it is his decision, he has the final say. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't be able to state your opinion and him respectfully consider what you are saying. My own thought would be that first you both know the scripture. Then pray about it together. But the final decision is his. The Lord wants love and peace in your marriage more He wants or needs your money.

Look, I'm in college, I don't know how the real world works. I don't know how married life works. I know both men and women have hearts that can be deceived and even with the best intentions can be led astray. So if a man is in that situation and a woman picks up on it, why should she be forced to go along with it?

Why should the wife go along with it?

A wife can get in the way of what the Lord is doing with her husband. It is the Holy Spirit who teaches him and gives him guidance. If he isn't listening the Lord will deal with him. It's not the wife's place to correct him by making him feel guilty or trying to force him. Force does not change a heart. He may give in to his wife to keep peace but it is a flawed peace, it's not sincere from his heart. A wife who trusts the Lord will let the Lord deal with her husband because she knows the Lord loves her as well as him.
But more importantly than that because the Lord Knows what is in his heart and Knows what needs to happen. And wives, we're just not as smart as God.

 

[jasonc]

Oh and one more thing: isn't it so scandelous that I want to hold the guys accountable too? OOOh! I'm SUCH a rebel!

oh we are, the holy spirit does it. men do talk to each other about that problem.

 

[jonahmano]

There is a saying 'The tree is known by the fruits it bear" USA is a country established on the foundations of the word of God. And we see the highest number of divorce in USA and divorce has become a social right which is completely against the scriptures.

So it's good that woman be subjected to his husband according to the Word of God.

At one time living a christian life was nightmare. There were persecutions everywhere but now woman can't even bear a negative word from her husband. Those who wanted to give their lives to Christ Jesus, can't bear a negative word from their husbands? :p

 

[Deborah13]

There is a saying 'The tree is known by the fruits it bear" USA is a country established on the foundations of the word of God. And we see the highest number of divorce in USA and divorce has become a social right which is completely against the scriptures.

So it's good that woman be subjected to his husband according to the Word of God.

There were persecutions everywhere but now woman can't even bear a negative word from her husband. Those who wanted to give their lives to Christ Jesus, can't bear a negative word from their husbands? :tongue

You said, "At one time living a christian life was nightmare."

It still can be for those who are not married to a Godly spouse.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

according to God's Word, even if we are slaves, owned by a pagan who is cruel, we are to obey as obeying Yeshua, by the instructions, directions, power and grace given to the new creation in Christ Jesus by ABBA, not of nor in ourselves.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

(note that this applies only to the new creation in Christ Jesus. not to anyone else).

 

[jonahmano]

You said, "At one time living a christian life was nightmare."

It still can be for those who are not married to a Godly spouse.

How can one wrong be justified with another? A husband can't take control over his wife, a father can't chastise his child, aren't all these happening?

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

the world is upside down jonahmano. there are so many laws written and passed that no one is able to keep them, and they (the authorities and businesses and rich) enforce the ones they want to , when and where and on who they want to.
what is evil is called good, and what is good is called evil. more and more daily, every day, this is broadcast on tv and newspapers and in schools, and even in many churches.

so, simply, Yhwh's Law, Directions, Instructions, Word, is not 'heard'. 'Everything' else takes it's place. As if an explosion of information , by sheer volume and repetition, ... ... ... ... ... becomes authoritative, or 'the new' way. "Instead of " Christ.

 

[Deborah13]

How can one wrong be justified with another? A husband can't take control over his wife, a father can't chastise his child, aren't all these happening?

Where does the Bible say that a husband is "take" control over his wife?
Scripture please.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

jonahmano said a husband "can't" take control over his wife (most places in the world that's true).

just like Yhwh, the Creator, "doesn't" take control of a husband nor of a wife, of a man, nor of a woman. not against their will. - there were notable exceptions perhaps, but Yhwh gives people the choice to obey or not. it doesn't matter if they know or realize the results of their actions or not, or sometimes even if they are 'tricked' - no matter. like Adam and Eve, men and women are given a choice to obey or not. Like Adam and Eve, most people chose to not obey, and thus suffer for it.
but Yhwh will not take control for their choice away from them, until and when He says so(which see in other threads).

 

[jonahmano]

Where does the Bible say that a husband is "take" control over his wife?
Scripture please.

For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. (Ephesians 5:24)

Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. (Ephesians 5:24)

Now tie this up with another spiritual principle

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. (Galatians 2:20)

In spiritual terms the church is to be subject (to come under control of) to Christ and according to Galatians 2:20, it's not we live but Christ lives in us (allow to take control of us)

so in worldly terms a wife should be subject (allow to have control on her) to her own husband.

I want to emphasize, it must not come by force but by love.

 

[Deborah13]

For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. (Ephesians 5:24)

Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. (Ephesians 5:24)

Now tie this up with another spiritual principle

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. (Galatians 2:20)

In spiritual terms the church is to be subject (to come under control of) to Christ and according to Galatians 2:20, it's not we live but Christ lives in us (allow to take control of us)

so in worldly terms a wife should be subject (allow to have control on her) to her own husband.

I want to emphasize, it must not come by force but by love.

I understood you this time and agree. Thanks

 

[King James]

It's biblical for woman to be the submissive lesser vessels that have to wear head coverings so the angels don't get tempted. I don't really see any way out of this. The bible is not subject to God. It is the eternal perfect word of God.