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Worthless Bravery In Battle {Wasted Courage}

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Worthless Bravery In Battle (Wasted Courage).
By JAG
August 10, 2021

First, love God with all your heart, obey Him, then be successfully-brave
during deadly death-dealing battles.

The fighters of the tribe of Manasseh were Spartan-like. "They were brave
warriors, famous men", but "they were unfaithful to God" so the Lord delivered
them into the hands of Tiglath-Pileser King of Assyria, who took them into exile
captivity, and slavery. (1 Chronicles 5:23-26.)

The Spartans were brave and famous too. But today Sparta exists only in our
imaginations, our books, and in our movies.

The Spartan-like warrior General George Patton said, "The fixed determination
to acquire the warrior soul, and once having acquired it, to conquer or perish
with honor is the secret to victory."

That isn't true.

"Warrior soul" does have its useful place in the Drama Of Life ("There is a time
for war" Eccl. 3:1, 8 but if nations want to survive General Time (who is a fierce
cold-hearted killer) they need more than battle-bravery and fighter's fame ~ they
need the favor, blessing, and protection of the Sovereign God.

In the world of men today there is much hate and evil afoot.

"Such is the nature of evil. Out there in the vast ignorance of the world it festers
and spreads. A shadow that grows in the dark. A sleepless malice as black as the
oncoming wall of night. So it ever was. So will it always be. In time all foul things
come forth."__Thandril, the Elvinking of the Woodland Realm of Mirkwood.

Mankind is a warrior species. Today, 21st century, the human race has not yet
outgrown its love of war. Humans are combatants ~ fierce ferocious fighters who
forever fight military or political battles. Homo homni lupus (man is a wolf to man).
One U.S. Senator, Arlen Spector from Pennsylvania, wrote a book about his time
with the politicians in Washington D.C. and titled it Life Among The Cannibals.

"Only the dead have seen an end to war."

Happy Note:
Al this war-stuff will be over one day (Rev. 21:3-5) . . . but not right now.

In the certain-coming battles of the 21st century the men of America (and women)
will urgently need the praise, approval, and shielding of the God Of Battles (Exodus 15:3)
in order to emerge victorious against the onslaughts of General War and General Time.

Wars, military wars or political wars, are inevitable but God will fight for The Good
and for His People. "The LORD is a Warrior" (Exodus 15:3) . . .

Yet, peace, not war, is here being celebrated. The best (and noblest) soldiers are
absolutely-fierce reluctant warriors whose motto is "Blessed are the peacemakers
for they will be called children of God."__The Lion Of The Tribe Of Judah (Matthew
5:9) The best (and most dangerous) warriors are the ones who take to heart, "if it
is possible, so far as it depends on you, live at peace with all men." Romans 12:18

But sometimes its not possible. And the absolutely-fierce reluctant warriors who prefer
peaceful solutions to human disagreements have nevertheless demonstrated a fierce
locked-down determination to fight fiercely and ferociously against evil-tyranny, to
defend the good, and destroy the evil. One example: America and The Allies came
together (1941 - 1945) with the edge of the bloody sword and stomped to death
German Nazism and Italian Fascism. World War 2 was a just war. It had to be fought.
Hitler and Mussolini were dead-set in their Free Wills and craved war and world
domination. America, defending freedom, lost over 400,000 dead in World War 2.
Hero's they were.

The absolutely-fierce reluctant warriors say to all men, Come let us peacefully
settle our differences. But to the would-be enslaving tyrants who demand their
surrender and that they lay down their weapons: Molon Labe.

And they then quote:

"Don't be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome and fight
for your families, your sons and daughters, your wives and your homes."
(Nehemiah 4:14)

Yet, no sane person wants war. War is metal flying through the air ripping off arms and
legs leaving stumps. War is facial disfigurement. People that want war have never
walked through those special wards in VA Hospitals where doctors care for the seriously
and permanently-damaged hero's.

War separates husbands and wives.

War breaks the hearts of families.

The Lord Jesus was sent to eventually save us all from the ravages of war, and He will
do exactly that in due time (Rev. 21: 3-5). Meanwhile we pray for peace among all nations,
we remain proudly armed to the teeth, and we remember every minute of the day, that
loving God and obeying Him is the only path to victory when fighting military (and political)
wars.

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Agree?
Disagree?
Thoughts?
 
Worthless Bravery In Battle
We no longer live in a tribal nation, where God deals with thecnation as a whole group.
Today our relationship with God is a one to one, individual relationship.

Wars have always been terrible but untill Jesus comes again we will have to face the threat of wars, violence, natural disasters etc
It is how we respond to these things that matter.

We should pray in addition for peace, for wisdom among politians and national leaders that they won't push for war.
Ww1 leaders were bold and prepared to fight, but German plans were overly ambitious and tailored.
WW2 Hitler thought France and England wouldn't fight and kept pushing untill they did.
Being prepared to stand against a bully can lead to war, but not standing up against a bully is even more certain to lead to war.
Our leaders need wisdom just as other leaders need wisdom.
 
We no longer live in a tribal nation, where God deals with thecnation as a whole group.
Today our relationship with God is a one to one, individual relationship.

Wars have always been terrible but untill Jesus comes again we will have to face the threat of wars, violence, natural disasters etc
It is how we respond to these things that matter.

We should pray in addition for peace, for wisdom among politians and national leaders that they won't push for war.
Ww1 leaders were bold and prepared to fight, but German plans were overly ambitious and tailored.
WW2 Hitler thought France and England wouldn't fight and kept pushing untill they did.
Being prepared to stand against a bully can lead to war, but not standing up against a bully is even more certain to lead to war.
Our leaders need wisdom just as other leaders need wisdom.
Thanks for the comments.
Hope everything is going super-great over there in London Town.

Best.

JAG

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careful on how you word that
I study history

I can post derelict veteran graves from any American war ,civil war and prior are common .even revolutionary war vets .


you only include ww2 as being just .

ask a nam vet at the va if he feels his war was that way ,or Iraq and afghan war .

I get your point , outside of the veterans circles seldom will I talk about this .my wife tried today and I blew it off . only a Vietnam or Korean war vet gets how my veterans era feels about losing buddies for nothing .

even ww2 vets are known to say it was not worth it .
 
careful on how you word that
I study history

I can post derelict veteran graves from any American war ,civil war and prior are common .even revolutionary war vets .


you only include ww2 as being just .

ask a nam vet at the va if he feels his war was that way ,or Iraq and afghan war .

I get your point , outside of the veterans circles seldom will I talk about this .my wife tried today and I blew it off . only a Vietnam or Korean war vet gets how my veterans era feels about losing buddies for nothing .

even ww2 vets are known to say it was not worth it .
Thanks for reading my piece.

The piece was not on the subject of World War 2
or on the subject of just wars -- World War 2 was
mentioned only as one example of a just war that
had to be fought because its not possible to live at
peace with all men, eg Hitler.

I have no foggy clue what you mean by "derelict veteran graves"?

My view is all American soldiers that fight in any wars are hero's.

The Sovereign God has His good purposes for all wars that He
permits American forces to fight. We, in many cases, ■do not
understand His reasons, but then we're not God and do not have
the wisdom to see God's long term blueprinted Plan from beginning
to end. But God can see it. The war in Nam and in Korea had its exact
place in the Sovereign Plan of the Sovereign God.

The small number of WW2 vets that would say WW2 was unjustified
do not matter. They should be ignored as if they do not exist.

Best Regards.

JAG

■Deut. 29:29


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Thanks for reading my piece.

The piece was not on the subject of World War 2
or on the subject of just wars -- World War 2 was
mentioned only as one example of a just war that
had to be fought because its not possible to live at
peace with all men, eg Hitler.

I have no foggy clue what you mean by "derelict veteran graves"?

My view is all American soldiers that fight in any wars are hero's.

The Sovereign God has His good purposes for all wars that He
permits American forces to fight. We, in many cases, ■do not
understand His reasons, but then we're not God and do not have
the wisdom to see God's long term blueprinted Plan from beginning
to end. But God can see it. The war in Nam and in Korea had its exact
place in the Sovereign Plan of the Sovereign God.

The small number of WW2 vets that would say WW2 was unjustified
do not matter. They should be ignored as if they do not exist.

Best Regards.

JAG

■Deut. 29:29


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1.most war vets say that ..why?because after the fact the joy victory is long gone and they can't understand the nightmares of mothers screaming for their dead,the look of the faces of the men they killed,or their buddies faces they lie dead .

graves unkept can be so overgrown that they are forgotten or also unreadable .

capt bell,died 1876 us .army first Seminole war headstone is broke in half .


 
1.most war vets say that ..why?because after the fact the joy victory is long gone and they can't understand the nightmares of mothers screaming for their dead,the look of the faces of the men they killed,or their buddies faces they lie dead .

graves unkept can be so overgrown that they are forgotten or also unreadable .

capt bell,died 1876 us .army first Seminole war headstone is broke in half .


Thank you for your comments.

Here is my view:
The horrors of war is not some special area of horror
that cannot be totally healed by the application of the
many Bible truths in God's word the Holy Bible. There
are hundreds , , , hundreds , , of truths (Bible verses) that
have the power to totally heal ALL the horrors of war.

And step # 1 is to believe that.
Step # 2 is to start daily quoting those verses.
Step # 3 is to NEVER quit quoting them (to one's mind
and heart)

A good place to start is Isaiah 41:10

"So do not fear, for I am with you;
do not be dismayed, for I am your God.
I will strengthen you and help you;
I will uphold you with my righteous right hand."

Then onto Isaiah 43: 2-4

"When you pass through the waters,
I will be with you;
and when you pass through the rivers,
they will not sweep over you.
When you walk through the fire,
you will not be burned;
the flames will not set you ablaze.
3For I am the Lord your God,
the Holy One of Israel, your Savior;
I give Egypt for your ransom,
Cush and Seba in your stead.
Since you are precious and honored in my sight,
and because I love you,"

if this man, Nick Vujicic, can have a vibrant Christian
testimony and a vibrant Christian ministry "Life Without
Limbs" helping others ~~ and get married and have 4 children,
then those who have suffered in war can ALSO get healed.
Nick Vujicic was born with no arms and legs.

NickVujicic.jpg


God Bless.

JAG
 
The Biblical lesson about Manasseh is a good one, but often highly unpopular, to put it lightly. One can fight and die for their country and be extremely courageous--and extremely misguided. Every war has two sides. Both confront death and fight and die for their country. Both of their loved ones are waving their flag and treating the thought of dying for your country as this high-minded, honorable, self-sacrificing thing, yet we see the result when both sides do that, and it's madness. Every war has at least one side who is misguided. And it's easy to figure out who that is: it's the other side. Of course.
 
if this man, Nick Vujicic, can have a vibrant Christian
testimony and a vibrant Christian ministry "Life Without
Limbs" helping others ~~ and get married and have 4 children,
then those who have suffered in war can ALSO get healed.
Nick Vujicic was born with no arms and legs.

NickVujicic.jpg


God Bless.

JAG


Thanks for sharing.
 
The Biblical lesson about Manasseh is a good one, but often highly unpopular, to put it lightly. One can fight and die for their country and be extremely courageous--and extremely misguided. Every war has two sides. Both confront death and fight and die for their country. Both of their loved ones are waving their flag and treating the thought of dying for your country as this high-minded, honorable, self-sacrificing thing, yet we see the result when both sides do that, and it's madness. Every war has at least one side who is misguided. And it's easy to figure out who that is: it's the other side. Of course.
Thanks for reading the piece and for your comments.
God Bless.

JAG

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Thanks for reading my piece.

The piece was not on the subject of World War 2
or on the subject of just wars -- World War 2 was
mentioned only as one example of a just war that
had to be fought because its not possible to live at
peace with all men, eg Hitler.

I have no foggy clue what you mean by "derelict veteran graves"?
My view is all American soldiers that fight in any wars are hero's.
The Sovereign God has His good purposes for all wars that He
permits American forces to fight. We, in many cases, ■do not
understand His reasons, but then we're not God and do not have
the wisdom to see God's long term blueprinted Plan from beginning
to end. But God can see it. The war in Nam and in Korea had its exact
place in the Sovereign Plan of the Sovereign God.

The small number of WW2 vets that would say WW2 was unjustified
do not matter. They should be ignored as if they do not exist.
So only some of the vets matter?`
 
All people matter in the sense that God loves them
and wants them to be saved and wants them to solve
their problems through faith in Him.

Best.

JAG
How do you justify this then..."The small number of WW2 vets that would say WW2 was unjustified
do not matter. They should be ignored as if they do not exist." ?
God loves them but we should treat them like they don't exist?
 
How do you justify this then..."The small number of WW2 vets that would say WW2 was unjustified
do not matter. They should be ignored as if they do not exist." ?
God loves them but we should treat them like they don't exist?
My statement has to be interpreted in the context in which it appeared.
I am the one that gets to interpret my statement because I am the one that
made the statement. My statement meant ONLY that they should be ignored
on the one point where they say World War 2 was NOT a morally justified war.
Hitler and his Nazis had to be stopped with the edge of the sword of The Allies
because Hitler and his Nazis would not listen to reason and they were
locked-down on European domination and they rejected all attempts for a
peaceful settlement of the political disputes involved.
The statement did not mean that the vets should be ignored on everything they
say or that they should be ignored as human beings.
Everybody gets to do what they call "revise and extend" their remarks and so if you
are reading this you have read my "revise and extend" explanations.
All people matter in the sense that God loves them and wants them to be saved and
wants them to solve their problems through faith in Him.

Best Regards.

JAG
 
My statement has to be interpreted in the context in which it appeared.
I am the one that gets to interpret my statement because I am the one that
made the statement. My statement meant ONLY that they should be ignored
on the one point where they say World War 2 was NOT a morally justified war.
Hitler and his Nazis had to be stopped with the edge of the sword of The Allies
because Hitler and his Nazis would not listen to reason and they were
locked-down on European domination and they rejected all attempts for a
peaceful settlement of the political disputes involved.
The statement did not mean that the vets should be ignored on everything they
say or that they should be ignored as human beings.
Everybody gets to do what they call "revise and extend" their remarks and so if you
are reading this you have read my "revise and extend" explanations.
All people matter in the sense that God loves them and wants them to be saved and
wants them to solve their problems through faith in Him.

Best Regards.

JAG
Personally, as a Christian I can see absolutely no reason for any participation in war.
God said we are not to kill, and Jesus said to pray for our enemies.
It is the unbelievers who are going to war.
 
Personally, as a Christian I can see absolutely no reason for any participation in war.
God said we are not to kill, and Jesus said to pray for our enemies.
It is the unbelievers who are going to war.
Its impossible to be consistent with the pacifist principle unless
one is willing to fully embrace the literal suicide-death of their
nation and their ■family. The pacifist principle is NEVER use
physical force to stop evil men. A man is in the process of
robbing a bank. he has already murdered three bank tellers.
The police rush in. "Drop your gun" they say. The man refuses
and kills one police officer. On your lights the other policemen
ought NOT to shoot the man. If you say they should not shoot the
man then my view is that is a 100% absurd suicide-death position
to hold. If you say they ought to shoot the man, then you have just
totally destroyed your pacifist principle to NEVER use violent force
to stop evil men.

Best Regards.

JAG

■ Spread the word in your town that over at your house there
will be zero physical force used against anyone that decides to
invade your home to rob and rape. Once the criminals in your
town come to know that, you may have just signed your death
warrant and the death warrant of those you love. And if you
hold to the pacifist principle ~~ you surely would want to spread
the truth around town wouldn't you? You have an obligation
to get the truth out there that the use of physical force to stop
evil men is always wrong. Because that's what you believe.

[]
 
Its impossible to be consistent with the pacifist principle unless
one is willing to fully embrace the literal suicide-death of their
nation and their ■family. The pacifist principle is NEVER use
physical force to stop evil men. A man is in the process of
robbing a bank. he has already murdered three bank tellers.
The police rush in. "Drop your gun" they say. The man refuses
and kills one police officer. On your lights the other policemen
ought NOT to shoot the man. If you say they should not shoot the
man then my view is that is a 100% absurd suicide-death position
to hold. If you say they ought to shoot the man, then you have just
totally destroyed your pacifist principle to NEVER use violent force
to stop evil men.

Best Regards.

JAG

■ Spread the word in your town that over at your house there
will be zero physical force used against anyone that decides to
invade your home to rob and rape. Once the criminals in your
town come to know that, you may have just signed your death
warrant and the death warrant of those you love. And if you
hold to the pacifist principle ~~ you surely would want to spread
the truth around town wouldn't you? You have an obligation
to get the truth out there that the use of physical force to stop
evil men is always wrong. Because that's what you believe.

[]
I am able to distinguish between suicide and faith in God's intervention.
 
I am able to distinguish between suicide and faith in God's intervention.
So then, you would tell the police in the situation below to
NOT shoot the man but rather wait for God's intervention?

A man is in the process of robbing a bank. He has already
murdered three bank tellers. The police rush in. "Drop your
gun" they say. The man refuses and kills one police officer.
And then points his gun at the other two policemen.
On your lights the other policemen ought NOT to shoot
the man, but wait for God's intervention? Is that your position?

Best.

JAG
 
So then, you would tell the police in the situation below to
NOT shoot the man but rather wait for God's intervention?

A man is in the process of robbing a bank. He has already
murdered three bank tellers. The police rush in. "Drop your
gun" they say. The man refuses and kills one police officer.
And then points his gun at the other two policemen.
On your lights the other policemen ought NOT to shoot
the man, but wait for God's intervention? Is that your position?

Best.

JAG
Suppositions are pointless when discussing the things of God.
I thank God every day for keeping me out of such situations and for His protections today, and thus far, God has protected me.
If a city or nation did the same thing as I do, how do you suppose they would fare?
Your supposition was based on a world without God.
 
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