Would a sinner's sin be directly equal to his eternal punishment?

[Classik]

I'm not trying to be over-inquisitive about the hellfire thing. Here's yet another question that has bothered me for over 600yrs;)

Would a sinner's sin be directly equal to his eternal punishment? (I think, Christ said something about this...Just that I can't remember the verse(s)), i'm not quite sure.

To me, it seems that God prepares the 'punishment' and where the devil executes it (not quite sure).

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A self-righteous man who never accepted Christ might receive lesser punishment than a pastor who (after mercilessly dealing with the devil) ended up in eternal punishment (though the devil himself would be under punishment, too)

And if there are no measures of punishments (that is, if all punishments were to be equal)... don't we think that a man who just commited a single sin (say: he told a lie or stole something) would find his punishment greater than he can bear and/or - the punishment is seen a lot greater than his sin?

 

[Elijah674]

I'm not trying to be over-inquisitive about the hellfire thing. Here's yet another question that has bothered me for over 600yrs;)

Would a sinner's sin be directly equal to his eternal punishment? (I think, Christ said something about this...Just that I can't remember the verse(s)), i'm not quite sure.

To me, it seems that God prepares the 'punishment' and where the devil executes it (not quite sure).

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A self-righteous man who never accepted Christ might receive lesser punishment than a pastor who (after mercilessly dealing with the devil) ended up in eternal punishment (though the devil himself would be under punishment, too)

And if there are no measures of punishments (that is, if all punishments were to be equal)... don't we think that a man who just commited a single sin (say: he told a lie or stole something) would find his punishment greater than he can bear and/or - the punishment is seen a lot greater than his sin?

Is your verse Luke 12:45-48?
[45] But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
[46] The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
[47] And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
[48] But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

Yet the only thing ETERNAL about hell, is that the one in hell will be BLOTTED OUT OF ETERNITY! Obad. 1:16,s [[GONE!]] see Nah. 1:9

--Elijah

 

[Classik]

Thanks alot, Elijah. This is actually close to the verse(s).

However, if I remembered exactly, it talks about more punishment to that person who knew but chose the wrong way, something like that.

 

[Webers_Home]

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Would a sinner's sin be directly equal to his eternal punishment?

It's my understanding that the reservoir of liquefied flame depicted at Rev 20:11-15 isn't for the punishment of the sins people commit in this life. That will take place at the Great White Throne; and I fear that by the time some people are taken from that courtroom to be thrown alive into the reservoir, they will no longer be recognizable and many will not be able to get up on their feet without assistance since the law of God demands eye for eye, tooth for tooth, foot for foot, burning for burning, life for life; et al. The scales of justice have to balance; and every transgression must be given its fair amount of retribution.
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For example lets say a defendant has two hundred counts of lies against them and a lie is worthy of ten lashes. Multiply 10 x 200 and the result is 2,000 lashes. In cases of assault and battery, the perpetrator will be given an equal amount of injury per each felony. It will be very interesting to see how God makes Wall Street's financial psychopaths pay for their roles in the 2008 collapse that ruined the lives of millions of people all around the globe.
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So then, if the Great White Throne is where people pay for their sins in this life, then what purpose does the reservoir of liquefied flame serve? Well, the ultimate wages of sin, regardless of the nature of the sin and/or it's gravity, is death (Rom 6:23). And since the reservoir is labeled a second death, and there is but one resurrection per person (Dan 12:2, John 5:29) then nobody is coming back from the reservoir because they will have used up their one allotted resurrection to stand trial at the Great White Throne.
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But that's not all; there's an additional complication. When people leave this life without first undergoing the second birth about which the Lord spoke at John 3:3-8, there's nothing to prevent them from going right on sinning in the next life; viz: continual sin results in continual punishment. And human nature being what it is: one of the sins people will continually commit in eternity is blasphemy; for example:
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†. Rev 16:10-11 . .Then the fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and his kingdom became full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues because of the pain. They blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and did not repent of their deeds.
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[Classik]

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It kind of balances it: a sinners receives punishment equal to his offence.

When people leave this life without first undergoing the second birth about which the Lord spoke at John 3 : 3-8, there's nothing to prevent them from going right on sinning in the next life; viz : continual sin results in continual punishment. And human nature being what it is : one of the sins people will continually commit in eternity is blasphemy

Interesting. But where would the continual punishment come from? God?

If they are separated from God, forever, I wonder how they'd receive this continual punishment (i.e if they keep sinning)

 

[Webers_Home]

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Interesting. But where would the continual punishment come from? God? If they are separated from God, forever, I wonder how they'd receive this continual punishment (i.e if they keep sinning)

By correlating Rev 20:11-15 with Luke 16:19-31, it's readily apparent that the reservoir of liquefied flame will terminate human bodies, but the humans themselves that once occupied those bodies won't go out of existence; but instead will remain in the flame; plus: their corpses will become nourishment for a peculiar species of worm as per Isa 66:23-24 and Mrk 9:47-48.

Additional evidence that people will continue to exist in the lake of fire after the death of their bodies is readily apparent by correlating Rev 19:20 with Rev 20:10. Satan it to be cast into the lake of fire one thousand years after the beast and the false prophet are cast in: and when he's cast in, the beast and the false prophet are reported to still be in there.

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[Elijah674]

Thanks alot, Elijah. This is actually close to the verse(s).

However, if I remembered exactly, it talks about more punishment to that person who knew but chose the wrong way, something like that.

Hi, read it slowly;). That is what it is saying! --Elijah

 

[Classik]

Hi, read it slowly;). That is what it is saying! --Elijah

Alright! I'll do just that Thanks alot

 

[Vic C.]

Hey Classik,

I think it might make more sense if the title of your Thread was reversed. IMHO

 

[childeye]

The sin of all sins is to deem God as untrustworthy. All other sins occur because of that one. If eternal punishment is to never come to the conviction that the God of life is the Spirit of Love Eternal and therefore is trustworthy, it is subsequently equal to the sin.

 

[Classik]

Hey Classik,

I think it might make more sense if the title of your Thread was reversed. IMHO

Yeah - honestly. I have thought about that. Just that the topic can't be edited at the OP without the MODs editing it themselves. Topic-edit option not possible with non-mods.

You may het it reversed

 

[Vic C.]

Yeah - honestly. I have thought about that. Just that the topic can't be edited at the OP without the MODs editing it themselves. Topic-edit option not possible with non-mods.

You may het it reversed

C,

I copied a question straight out your first post which made a more suitable title.

 

[Classik]

C,

I copied a question straight out your first post which made a more suitable title.

Thanks
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