Would you be disappointed ? (No end times )

[jasonc]

The judgement of man is the Lord's concern.how He Ends it will not be any reason to be sad

 

[SpagLard]

No indeed, no reason to be sad, we should rejoice of course.
but if the return and the End Times are something one would rejoice in,
regardless of the exact when and how's, .. it would be somewhat disappointing if it never occured to be witnessed ?
.

 

[jasonc]

No indeed, no reason to be sad, we should rejoice of course.
but if the return and the End Times are something one would rejoice in,
regardless of the exact when and how's, .. it would be somewhat disappointing if it never occured to be witnessed ?
.

I dont think will happen,only full preterist will argue that

 

[SpagLard]

I dont think will happen,only full preterist will argue that

well no, it doesn't take a preterist to make that statement.
and just to be clear,. it isn't my argument.

The question came from a Bhakti hindu woman i know from work, as i said in my opening post.

 

[Rick53]

Not every person will be alive. In the Bible a generation is 50 years - So most Scholars believe Jesus meant when Jerusalem was back with Israel. When Israel and

wow , thanks,. not many people would go as far to help others find answers.



Of course i read and study the bible, and i am able to explain to my acquaintance why i believe in the last days,
it is the question she asked me about my personal sentiment if the end times as i envision them would never occur,
that have a hard time answering for myself, and thus to others.



The rise of Islam >? is Islamic religion mentioned in the Bible ?
No, i didnt realize that ,.. what do you mean by -the Christian countries- ?



what?! 100 beheaded Christians daily ?
that should really be headline news globally instead of what symbol twitter uses to "like" something.. ! OMG



I'm not from the USA , i live in London ATM and was born in Antwerp , Belgium.



You put out a lot of valuable information i was unaware about.. sheesh
I'll have t read into this a bit before i can offer constructive comments on most these topics.
thanks for your post and blessings to you.

wow , thanks,. not many people would go as far to help others find answers.



Of course i read and study the bible, and i am able to explain to my acquaintance why i believe in the last days,
it is the question she asked me about my personal sentiment if the end times as i envision them would never occur,
that have a hard time answering for myself, and thus to others.



The rise of Islam >? is Islamic religion mentioned in the Bible ?
No, i didnt realize that ,.. what do you mean by -the Christian countries- ?



what?! 100 beheaded Christians daily ?
that should really be headline news globally instead of what symbol twitter uses to "like" something.. ! OMG



I'm not from the USA , i live in London ATM and was born in Antwerp , Belgium.



You put out a lot of valuable information i was unaware about.. sheesh
I'll have t read into this a bit before i can offer constructive comments on most these topics.
thanks for your post and blessings to you.

Judah were together - If that's the case that's 2017 : It's really a ton to type but everything is coming to pass . Here's something that is from Science - *80% of the pollinating Bees are gone . Scientist who are atheists are very concerned because we can't survive without Bees . God is taking the fish and Birds and Beasts of the field away .

wow , thanks,. not many people would go as far to help others find answers.



Of course i read and study the bible, and i am able to explain to my acquaintance why i believe in the last days,
it is the question she asked me about my personal sentiment if the end times as i envision them would never occur,
that have a hard time answering for myself, and thus to others.



The rise of Islam >? is Islamic religion mentioned in the Bible ?
No, i didnt realize that ,.. what do you mean by -the Christian countries- ?



what?! 100 beheaded Christians daily ?
that should really be headline news globally instead of what symbol twitter uses to "like" something.. ! OMG



I'm not from the USA , i live in London ATM and was born in Antwerp , Belgium.



You put out a lot of valuable information i was unaware about.. sheesh
I'll have t read into this a bit before i can offer constructive comments on most these topics.
thanks for your post and blessings to you.

A great way to study the Bible in thru the Online concordance .http://www.biblestudytools.com/ylt/ and another called strong . It makes it easy to connect the dots because God gives us Prophesy a little hear and a little there . So you take key words in verses and search -Which will pull up[ all verses with those words. It's to much stuff to type it for you . I have only been saved for 3 1/2 years - For some reason God has decided to give me a ton of information and understanding very very fast .
Baal and Molleck are the same Gods as allah. Do you know the black stone the Muslims pray to is mentioned by the apostle paul? Remember Nimrod and the Tower of Babel ? Nimrod is where all false religions come from. When God changed the tongues of people they could no longer say Nimrod : The Roman's The Greeks - The Aztec's the Egyptians like the Muslims today all worship the same God . The Roman's had a black stone they say came from Zeus - It was called Diana - Muslims worship the black stone as allat -who is the fertitlity goddess lover of allah the Moon God. There';s so much I could fill your mind with -But that's not fair to you or my finger tips. I will just offer if you have questions ask me and I will answer or find you the answer . As for the endtimes Even though no man knows the day or hour We can know the times and the signs. The Jews rejected Jesus because they didn't understand the signs and times . There's way to much evidence of prophecies being fullfilled to think otherwise . We are right on the Brink of Damascus becoming a Ruinest Heap. We are also very close to Psalms 83 war. That's Muslims coming against Israel over Jerusalem. So take Care God Bless. If I can help you out I'd be glad to.

 

[SpagLard]

Here's something that is from Science - *80% of the pollinating Bees are gone . Scientist who are atheists are very concerned because we can't survive without Bees . God is taking the fish and Birds and Beasts of the field awa

Yes that is very disconcerting indeed, I have heard this about the populations of bees disappearing before.
Rick would you mind explaining a bit more about the 100 Christians beheaded daily ? that is so shocking.

A great way to study the Bible in thru the Online concordance .http://www.biblestudytools.com/ylt/ and another called strong . It makes it easy to connect the dots because God gives us Prophesy a little hear and a little there . So you take key words in verses and search -Which will pull up[ all verses with those words. It's to much stuff to type it for you . I have only been saved for 3 1/2 years - For some reason God has decided to give me a ton of information and understanding very very fast .

I use Strong's concordance a lot, thanks for the valuable tips though.

Baal and Molleck are the same Gods as allah.

Uhhm , no , that is simply not true my friend, Baal and Moloch are definitely not the same Gods as Allah.

Do you know the black stone the Muslims pray to is mentioned by the apostle paul?

No , I did not know Paul mentions the Kaaba.
I do know however that the Oval shaped stone inside is a Pre-Islamic artefact, a Shiva-lingam to be precise.
The circumambulation that Muslim pilgrims perform around the Kaaba also comes from earlier (pre-islam) Vedic tradition.

Remember Nimrod and the Tower of Babel ? Nimrod is where all false religions come from.

All false religions ?
Isn't it more logical to assume that some religions (false ones of course) formed without ever being influenced by Nimrod ?

When God changed the tongues of people they could no longer say Nimrod : The Roman's The Greeks - The Aztec's the Egyptians like the Muslims today all worship the same God . The Roman's had a black stone they say came from Zeus - It was called Diana - Muslims worship the black stone as allat -who is the fertitlity goddess lover of allah the Moon God. There';s so much I could fill your mind with -But that's not fair to you or my finger tips.

Muslim's don't worship the stone inside the Kaaba, they worship only Allah.
The stone comes from cultic earlier times and to Muslims serves as a marker where to they direct their prayers,
but they do not pray "to the stone" , they prey to Allah.
Allat , the goddess , was part of a pre-Islamic cult in which the Akkadian influenced Nabateans worshipped a threefold divinity.

I will just offer if you have questions ask me and I will answer or find you the answer .

i'd love to exchange more information and for you to address some of the points I touched on above.
Cheers ~

 

[Rick53]

Yes that is very disconcerting indeed, I have heard this about the populations of bees disappearing before.
Rick would you mind explaining a bit more about the 100 Christians beheaded daily ? that is so shocking.2 Here are 2 webpages that I get info from. http://shoebat.com/ http://endtimesresearchministry.com/oct-12-2015-the-day-after/ Both of these are legit sources . It's not just ISIS . It's most of the Muslim world.

I use Strong's concordance a lot, thanks for the valuable tips though.2 Young's literal is more precise on the Hebrew and Greek

Uhhm , no , that is simply not true my friend, Baal and Moloch are definitely not the same Gods as Allah.2 Actually it is . I did my college thesis on Middle eastern and European ancient religions . I was an atheist at the time. Baal is allah allat hubal. Keep in mind just because the practices have changed doesn't make a difference . If you do a search on Baal or any other religion but Christianity . You'll see they are all connect to the Moon and Sun . Even the Vatican. The American Indians etc etc. They may practice different but they are all Satan's made up beliefs under the Crescent and Sun. If you look at drawings and carvings you'll see the Crescent and Sun. For example the Indians had drawings of a bulls horns with a women and a Sun above her Or a Star. . It's part of the reason I started to wonder why every religion had this Crescent and Moon. Even Christianity. Keep in mind as an Atheist I thought Rome was what Christians were. All god's but Jesus Christ are the same God.

No , I did not know Paul mentions the Kaaba.
I do know however that the Oval shaped stone inside is a Pre-Islamic artefact, a Shiva-lingam to be precise.
The circumambulation that Muslim pilgrims perform around the Kaaba also comes from earlier (pre-islam) Vedic tradition.2 Paul doesn't mention the Kaaba -What is in Galatians is when Paul and Barnabus went to Ephesus : The people there bowed doen 5 times a day to a black meteor that they claimed Zeus cast to earth. This stone was called Artimis -her love was another women Diana. When Paul tried to preach the Gospel. The People of Ephesus yelled for 2 hours Great is Diana - Diania is the Greatest. When Muslim's yell allahu bakr That means allah is the greatest. Same God different people and language.

All false religions ?
Isn't it more logical to assume that some religions (false ones of course) formed without ever being influenced by Nimrod ? 2 Keep in mind the influence is Satan. And the Bible called Satan the Crescent - That's what Lucifer means -

Muslim's don't worship the stone inside the Kaaba, they worship only Allah.
The stone comes from cultic earlier times and to Muslims serves as a marker where to they direct their prayers,
but they do not pray "to the stone" , they prey to Allah.
Allat , the goddess , was part of a pre-Islamic cult in which the Akkadian influenced Nabateans worshipped a threefold divinity.2 Muslims will tell you they don't worship Mohammad as well -But they do. They want to kill anyone who insults Moahammad. To become a Muslim you must resite in Arabic. There's no God but allah and Mohammad is his messenger. Muslims also claim they don't worship the Black stone : Yet they believe it is black because if they touch it or kiss it they are assured paradise. 1000's every year are trampled to death trying to kiss the black stone. ( They also have a wall where they claim Satan lives -they throw rocks at it-many are hit and killed that way as well)

i'd love to exchange more information and for you to address some of the points I touched on above.
Cheers ~

I have studied this stuff for many years. Long long before I was Born again. I used to get paid to do seminars for archaeologists who had dug some of this stuff up. I see now God had a plan for me. Today I use this same information to bring Muslims to Christ. You can't witness Christ to most Muslims first. They are taught the Gospels are corrupted. So first you have to teach them what it is they actually are following. Just like Christians 90% have no idea. Did you know Muslim men are required to sit down to urinate? They believe if they stand up and get some urine on themselves allah sends them to hell. And no amount of prayers will save them.

The reason it's important to understand ISLAM is they are the endtime nations that follow the ANTI-Christ - The Bible verifies that. When I say the Bible speaks of Islam. What the Bible does is gives you the names and places and where that group of people ended up. That's what the genealogies are in the Bible for. God tells us which nations and tribes come against Israel in the last days . They are all the Muslim nations today. In Pslams 83 the enemies of Israel are saying come let us form a confederate and come together to make the name of Israel no more in remembrance. TODAY Muslim nations through Turkey are working to revive the Caliphate . Which will re-united the Muslim world. There manafesto states When the caliphate is formed we will besiege Israel and make them no more known in History. ISLAM is the Beast - God names all the tribes and nations so we'll know.

Many believe in Pre or Post Trib. What the Bible actually seems to be teaching is Mid Trib -Just before the great star is cast down from Heaven and 1/3 of all living things are destroyed . So it's going to get bad for all Christians - It already is - But so far you appear to be somewhat sheltered like me. People make fun of you -But they aren't killing you yet. If people aren't mocking you then you need to speak louder so they can

 

[smaller]

Matters of the conflicts between Muslim and Jew are flesh/surface reflections of the reality of the INTERNAL problems of SIN. Looking at any of "their issues" from the outside really doesn't reveal much about the facts of the problems being internal in both and ALL parties to any conflicts.

God actually promised and guaranteed this conflict, here, regarding Ishmael:

Genesis 16:12
And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

Genesis 17:20
And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

Yes, you read that correctly.

Paul draws on this spiritual substance when he spiritually dissected this matter of Ishmael in Gal. 4 and 5 here, and shows this to be a "universal" problem of all mankind:

Galatians 4:29
But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

And here, bringing this matter down, to each of us:

Galatians 5:17
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

 

[Rick53]

Smaller It's actually wild ass man : These are ARABS . Not all Muslims ar ARABS - In fact Pakistan and Indonesia have larger Muslim populations. The main Souce of ARAB worship is Mecca ?Arabi Which Elam Iran will destroy

 

[smaller]

Smaller It's actually wild ass man : These are ARABS . Not all Muslims ar ARABS - In fact Pakistan and Indonesia have larger Muslim populations. The main Souce of ARAB worship is Mecca ?Arabi Which Elam Iran will destroy

Was pointing to the real issue, which is not externally based. There are external sights and there are internal sights. I don't consider the former of much value other than as pointers back to the internal matters, as noted by previous scripture citings.

Yes, God did promise to raise up a nation of Ishmael, and did so raise, noted on the basis of Gal. 5:17. And no, it's not "really" about the Muslims.

 

[Rick53]

Was pointing to the real issue, which is not externally based. There are external sights and there are internal sights. I don't consider the former of much value other than as pointers back to the internal matters, as noted by previous scripture citings.

Yes, God did promise to raise up a nation of Ishmael, and did so raise, noted on the basis of Gal. 5:17. And no, it's not "really" about the Muslims.

Are you saying it's a spiritual battle? Or are you saying end times don't involve Islam in a big way?

 

[smaller]

Are you saying it's a spiritual battle? Or are you saying end times don't involve Islam in a big way?

I'm pointing to Paul's analysis in Galatians as he connected Ishmael and his progeny to matters of the O.C. to the N.C. and "essentially" lays that understanding on everyone, as delineated in Gal. 5:17, showing the "universal" problems of all mankind being 'sin in the flesh.' Which is an internal unseen, non-viewable condition as to 'source.'

So, yeah, thereby a spiritual matter, and the basis of the Gospel, A Savior from sin, which all have, christian or not.

I've found Muslims in general to be knowledgeable about "sin" to some extents, though extremely legal in some cases because they tend to view this matter as "external" and approach it "legalistically." A natural outcome from their semi-O.T. roots.

In light of this, it is somewhat pointless to try to dissect "end time" matters from external sights, because the problems and issues are internally sourced and essentially, invisible.

 

[Rick53]

I don't agree with you at all. Spiritual evil uses man just like spiritual good does. How can you say cutting someone's head off while they are yet alive an invisible spiritual; battle? We are called to discern the times : Not knowing the times is why the Jews rejected Christ in the first place. Our personal battle is spiritual . That doesn't mean we aren't supposed to use physical earthly evidence to show others . I was an atheist . I didn't just magically come to Christ . I had a Christian pointing out several things that he claimed were written in the Bible as end times events : After a few years of seeing things happen he claimed were going to take place and confirming it was in the Bible opened my eyes. Your comments in regards to Muslims leads me to believe you don't understand them. They aren't all bad But they are raised in it . Daily prayers etc That Curse us. Do you understand the 3 part plan every Muslim is taught as a Child ? Do you know what a Muslim's belief of Jesus return entails ? If the signs of the end are invisible Why do the prophets as well Jesus tell us what the signs of the end will be. Where do you get that all are saved from Sin regardless of what they believe? That's not true. You aren't saved from sin whether you believe of not. You are set free from the judgement of sin : ANyone who denies Jesus is not set free from judgement

 

[JCitoL]

Hi ,

I was asked this question by an acquaintance at dinner yesterday,
who isn't a Christian but is interested in religion in general and in the Bible..

After i told her i consider it evident from scripture that there will be a time of judgement and end times
She put it to me like this:
"What if it never happened, would you feel cheated or disappointed,
since you spend your life anticipating on it and living towards it in a sense? "

i was pretty baffled, and admitted i had not thought about that as a possibility before..
i still dont really have a reply or answer as to how that would make me feel,
if people just misunderstood it, or it turns out that you'll never notice it if it happens.

Have any of you ever been asked such things ?
how would you answer such a question ?

Cheers~

there is eternal judgment, or how is it possible that the world has existed since only 5-6 millennia for the first time in time's infinity?!, what was before the beginning of this eternity?!

Blessings

 

[smaller]

I don't agree with you at all.

Yeah, I maybe knew that was coming.

Spiritual evil uses man just like spiritual good does. How can you say cutting someone's head off while they are yet alive an invisible spiritual; battle?

I'll admit it's one of the more flamboyant exercises of sin. But the problem remains internally sourced, AND demonic in nature. Which is kind of the point. You see, our real enemies can not be "seen." Which is also kind of the point in scriptural eschatology studies.

We are called to discern the times : Not knowing the times is why the Jews rejected Christ in the first place. Our personal battle is spiritual . That doesn't mean we aren't supposed to use physical earthly evidence to show others . I was an atheist . I didn't just magically come to Christ . I had a Christian pointing out several things that he claimed were written in the Bible as end times events : After a few years of seeing things happen he claimed were going to take place and confirming it was in the Bible opened my eyes. Your comments in regards to Muslims leads me to believe you don't understand them.

I do understand sin and sinners quite well, and it really is an internal universal to all mankind condition of "sinful flesh", and even a creation itself, condition that results in death. That's why looking at the outside isn't of much use.

They aren't all bad But they are raised in it . Daily prayers etc That Curse us. Do you understand the 3 part plan every Muslim is taught as a Child ? Do you know what a Muslim's belief of Jesus return entails ?

I don't agree that their approach to matters of sin are all that honest, which can be quite quickly pointed out and isolated by an "honest" witness using God's Words. I also happen to detest the hypocrisy of legalism from just about any sight, and theirs, particularly so. Which can also be isolated and pointed to quite quickly, as dishonest and hypocritical, by an honest witness of Christ to them.

If the signs of the end are invisible

I'm not saying that at all. What we see operating in the outside world though really doesn't strike at the heart of the matters, which are internally based and are operations of the anti-Christ spirit. Again, an "unseen" family of "evil workers" scriptures term "the devil and his messengers." There is where the meatier matters reside in end time views.

What we see on the outside is "after the fact" and "shadows" of what's really going on, within.

Why do the prophets as well Jesus tell us what the signs of the end will be. Where do you get that all are saved from Sin regardless of what they believe?

Never said that either. What I did say is that the Christian witness presents Christ as our Savior from sin, which sin is INTERNAL and is DEMONIC, by nature. And I think you'd find many Muslims understand this basic principle as well, connecting sin to Satan. They didn't pick up that understanding out of nowhere. This understanding IS in the O.T. Some of this was transferred, intentionally, to their understandings FOR OUR WITNESS to them in Christ as our Savior.

That's not true. You aren't saved from sin whether you believe of not. You are set free from the judgement of sin : ANyone who denies Jesus is not set free from judgement

In the witness of Christ, we are to see what the end game is:

Acts 26:18
To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

The Muslim person is not our enemy. Satan is our adversary. BOTH parties are present in the "mind and heart" of blinded by Satan, unbelievers. A person and the "god of this world" who BLINDS their mind.

See Mark 4:15 and/or 2 Cor. 4:4 for further reference.

End times are not about the bloody killing eradication of people by God in Christ. No, not at all. It is however totally about the eradication of Satan and his messengers, in which "we all" play our parts in "exposure" by our witnessing of Christ.

 

[Rick53]

Smaller please don't twist my Words :I never said to go kill Muslims . I have Muslim friends . But please don't kid yourself : And yes the Muslims are our enemy because of the ANTI-Christ belief they follow . : Jesus said you'd know them by their fruits . Islam is anti-Christ - I have a ton of experience working with Muslims - I get death threats all the time. You can't witness Jesus to a Muslim . It rarely has an effect . God doesn't call us to stand there and be slaughtered . Nor does he call us to kill for no reason. Exactly what you said the endtimes isn't it is . When Jesus returns with his saints the blood will run knee deep. It is absolutely about Good destroying evil. Muslims come to Christ daily - But the only way to do that is to destroy their belief in what they follow by exposing it . I don't know you well enough to say for sure. But it appears you worship[ the Holy Spirit . The Bride of Christ is the one being eradicated -And it's BLOODY. You seem to live in a world that believes Jesus was all about love and forgiveness regardless of one's repentance . That's the farthest thing from the truth. The enemy of our Lord will be made his footstool . That enemy is Satan's use of Islam to drink the blood of the saints . Do you read the OT ? or just the New?

 

[smaller]

Smaller please don't twist my Words :I never said to go kill Muslims . I have Muslim friends .

Never said you did. What I did say is that a common belief about end time is that it's going to be a bloody mess of killing and destruction that God in Christ brings. I don't buy that angle.

But please don't kid yourself : And yes the Muslims are our enemy because of the ANTI-Christ belief they follow .

And I don't see it that way. They, like all unbelievers, are blinded and impelled by an evil anti-Christ spirit that can not be seen. They are no different of a pawn of Satan than YOU AND I were prior to belief. See Eph. 2:2 for reference.

 

[LovethroughDove]

I seriously have been given everything a person can possibly ask for in this life. (Only boasting because God has literally given me everything I have asked) I want to see him face to face everyday! And everyday he lets me know to be patient, cause it will happen. In my lifetime? Don't know, but I get a little sad everyday I'm not face to face with him.

 

[LovethroughDove]

And I don't see it that way. They, like all unbelievers, are blinded and impelled by an evil anti-Christ spirit that can not be seen. They are no different of a pawn of Satan than YOU AND I were prior to belief. See Eph. 2:2 for reference.

I agree with you 100%! It is not people we are enemies against.

Ephesians 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.