Would your view of the Bible change?

[Tina]

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Can anyone, anyone at all tell me the difference between that and voo-doo or witchcraft?

Handy, with all due respect to you .... you seem to have a problem with believers having the spiritual gift of knowledge. You said yourself that everything must be compared with Scriptures ... Well then, I show you Scriptures that tells us that Christians having the word of knowledge is perfectly in line with God's Will ... and it certainly ain't from any voodoo or witchcraft powers !


1 Corinthians 12:1-11
Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I do not want you to be ignorant : You know that you were Gentiles, carried away to these dumb idols, however you were led. Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit. There are diversities of gifts but the same Spirit. There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit , to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.

 

[jasoncran]

handy some use this verse for that , in james there is life or death in the power of the toungue.

be careful when you attack charismata here as 3 mods are charismatic. myself,free, caroline lowery.

i dont agree with that line of thinking but i used to.(completely)

some charismatic believe that one has the authority to speak to the illness and curse it and it shall wither. how they believe like jesus we can heal by faith and been give the authority to do so.

i see that but that isnt my approach.

 

[Tina]

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Isn't Lewis charismatic too ?

 

[handy]

It's not that I don't believe in the gifts of the Spirit, I do. So much so that I claim the gift of discernment. It is a gift that I specifically asked the Spirit to bless me with. And, it is that gift that starts to kick in when I read things such as the quote that I posted.

I don't believe for an instant that spiritual gift of knowledge involves a: being able to give revelation from God that is contrary to God's word and b: Christians being able to curse others or themselves with just the "power" of their tongue. Especially, as so many of these websites seem to teach, unknowingly or in ignorance.

However, this is obviously going to be a huge topic if we start develving into things like curses and "word of knowledge" and "soul ties" etc.

So, rather than disrupt Dennyh's thread about this, I will most likely start a new thread, in Apologetics and Theology once I get ready to deal with it. It won't be an "attack" on charismatics though, just on some of the false doctrine that is masquerading as "revelation from God".

totopic Back on topic....

Having said that, and truly planning on starting a thread on it, I still stand on my assertion that we cannot jettison the Bible. The Bible is wholly the work of the Spirit. If it is proven to be false, which is won't be, but for the sake of discussion, then the Spirit Himself is false.

Vic said, "God has revealed Himself to me in ways that are apart from scripture. :yes"

And, He has done so with me as well. I've a number of supernatural experiences I can personally testify to. I think most of us have.

But, what the Bible does, and it does so because it is it's purpose according to the Holy Spirit, is to test supernatural events in our lives so that we can be sure that something is either God revealing Himself, or someone or something else. I can also testify to several very supernatural experiences that weren't from God at all...quite the contrary as a matter of fact.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

If the Bible was proved true tomorrow, I'd wonder why we haven't found the firmament, why the earth is a sphere and where the pillars are, where the angle wielding the burning sword guarding the garden is, where the garden is. and why we have genetic and linguistic evidence on how language and organisms evolved.

To me, its not simply the Bible, it about a huge massive chunk of human obtained knowledge that would have to be disproved first.

That and the fact that I've had my own spiritual fulfillment that contradict the Bible and aren't part of what is considered Satan.

 

[Vic C.]

If the Bible was proved true tomorrow, I'd wonder why we haven't found the firmament, why the earth is a sphere and where the pillars are, where the angle wielding the burning sword guarding the garden is, where the garden is. and why we have genetic and linguistic evidence on how language and organisms evolved.

To me, its not simply the Bible, it about a huge massive chunk of human obtained knowledge that would have to be disproved first.

That and the fact that I've had my own spiritual fulfillment that contradict the Bible and aren't part of what is considered Satan.

the Bible isn't a science book, a math book or a book on material knowledge. If you chose instead to chew on and choke on every passage the skeptic holds in his arsenal in lieu of the real message, I do know CPR. :nod

 

[Lance_Iguana]

the Bible isn't a science book, a math book or a book on material knowledge. If you chose instead to chew on and choke on every passage the skeptic holds in his arsenal in lieu of the real message, I do know CPR. :nod

I know its not a science or math book. But, if it was true tomorrow, there would have to be some pretty heft scientific evidence to back it up to disprove massive chunks of knowledge.

If the Bible is true, the world is held up by pillars. To prove the Bible we would have to find the Pillars. To Prove the garden, we'd have to find the Garden. To prove the ark, we'd have to find the ark, etc.

To prove the Bible, we have to prove the events have taken place.

 

[lamplady]

I don't think anyone is trying to 'jettison the bible' handy, we're trying to say that God's Word can, (and did), stand alone before it was written with ink.

Yes it was God's will that it was put down in pen but if I understand the OP's point he's asking if there was actual unequivocal proof the bible is proved false would it affect our faith and we're saying no because our faith comes from the Word Of God - his words that has been spoken since time ... we'd just believe the 'proof' is a lie ...

Lance I'd doubt there'd be proof like how you described, that is what the world longs for, because believing relies on faith ...

 

[Gendou Ikari]

For the Unbeliever:​

If conclusive evidence was found that proved the Bible was 100% true and accurate would it affect your view of Christianity?

Jean-Paul Sartre echoes my sentiments when he wrote, "Existentialism is not atheist in the sense that it would exhaust itself in demonstrations of the non-existence of God. It declares, rather, that even if God existed that would make no difference from its point of view."

 

[handy]

I don't think anyone is trying to 'jettison the bible' handy, we're trying to say that God's Word can, (and did), stand alone before it was written with ink.

Yes it was God's will that it was put down in pen but if I understand the OP's point he's asking if there was actual unequivocal proof the bible is proved false would it affect our faith and we're saying no because our faith comes from the Word Of God - his words that has been spoken since time ... we'd just believe the 'proof' is a lie ...

Lance I'd doubt there'd be proof like how you described, that is what the world longs for, because believing relies on faith ...

I guess I think that is exactly what the OP is asking Christians to do "jettison" the Bible. Although I do believe wholeheartedly that the Word is eternal and the Bible is temporal, the two are so intertwined the Bible simply cannot be jettisoned.

Which brings me to the same exact conclusion as you: if "proof" was given that showed the Bible to be false, I'd believe the "proof" was a lie. :yes

 

[jasoncran]

handy some use this verse for that , in james there is life or death in the power of the toungue.

be careful when you attack charismata here as 3 mods are charismatic. myself,free, caroline lowery.

i dont agree with that line of thinking but i used to.(completely)

some charismatic believe that one has the authority to speak to the illness and curse it and it shall wither. how they believe like jesus we can heal by faith and been give the authority to do so.

i see that but that isnt my approach.

Handy if i offended my dear mother in spiritual matters then forgive the fool when he prates in the flesh.

 

[Tina]

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Which brings me to the same exact conclusion as you: if "proof" was given that showed the Bible to be false, I'd believe the "proof" was a lie.

In other words, you're indirectly saying that your personal relationship with God and personal experiences of God supercedes the Bible ... because no amount of "proof" is going to convince you that the Bible may be false.



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