Yashua Jesus Yahweh etc

[Panin]

The name of Jesus Christ is Jesus Christ - not Yashua - Yashua is Joshua.

The name Jesus Christ in the Hebrew numeric value of the letters, adds up to 888. There are numerous other mathmatical (bible numeric) proofs, above and beyond 888 in the original Hebrew spelling of the name of Jesus Christ that proves this to be an irrefutable fact.

If anyone is interested I will provide the proof of this claim.

 

[veteran]

The name Jesus comes from the Greek word Iesous, and means 'Jehovah is Salvation'.

The word Christ comes from Greek 'Christos', which is the equivalent to Hebrew 'mashiyach' or Messiah. Both Christ and Messiah mean the same thing, 'the anointed', or 'the anointed one'.

Joshua, or Jehoshua or Yehoshua also mean 'Jehovah is Salvation', the equivalent to Greek Iesous (or Jesus in English). We cannot separate our Lord's Name Jesus apart from Jehovah, as Yah's Name is rendered within it.

 

[Kaltrop]

Why are you taking a greek name and then applying hebrew numerology to it? I don't understand.

 

[veteran]

Why are you taking a greek name and then applying hebrew numerology to it? I don't understand.

I'm not applying "numerology", you're the one trying to do that. When you said this:

"The name of Jesus Christ is Jesus Christ - not Yashua - Yashua is Joshua."

That's where you departed from the idea of transliteration and translation, which the name Jesus Christ is a translation from the Greek words Iesous and Christos. How is it on Pentecost, when Peter spoke of the wonderful works of God, each peoples heard him speak in their own language of birth, and understood Who Peter was declaring? Since God made certain each people with a different language rightly understood Peter, then why try to limit His scope and power with all languages concerning His Gospel? The Bible has been translated into how many different languages? And The Gospel Message is entact within every one of them.

 

[Panin]

Why are you taking a greek name and then applying hebrew numerology to it? I don't understand.

I'm not applying "numerology", you're the one trying to do that. When you said this:

"The name of Jesus Christ is Jesus Christ - not Yashua - Yashua is Joshua."

That's where you departed from the idea of transliteration and translation, which the name Jesus Christ is a translation from the Greek words Iesous and Christos. How is it on Pentecost, when Peter spoke of the wonderful works of God, each peoples heard him speak in their own language of birth, and understood Who Peter was declaring? Since God made certain each people with a different language rightly understood Peter, then why try to limit His scope and power with all languages concerning His Gospel? The Bible has been translated into how many different languages? And The Gospel Message is entact within every one of them.

My Point is, Yashua is not the name of Jesus Christ in Hebrew or Greek and yet people today who like to think they are super spirtual and or super informed think they are correct in calling him Yashua.
which translates Joshua in English. In which case we would call him Joshua Christ.

There is irrefutable evidence that proves this is not the case. My appology for mixing up the greek and hebrew, but the point still stands.

PS I realise there are alot bigger fish to fry than this, one could call this a non issue, it's just a pet peev of mine.

 

[Panin]

Why are you taking a greek name and then applying hebrew numerology to it? I don't understand.

I'm not applying "numerology", you're the one trying to do that. When you said this:

"The name of Jesus Christ is Jesus Christ - not Yashua - Yashua is Joshua."

quote]

I said that. not Kaltrop

Although to kaltrop, this isn't numerology either. If it's any ology at all it's letterology

 

[veteran]

Yep. Sorry Kaltrop.

To you then Panin what I wrote.

 

[veteran]

Why are you taking a greek name and then applying hebrew numerology to it? I don't understand.

I'm not applying "numerology", you're the one trying to do that. When you said this:

"The name of Jesus Christ is Jesus Christ - not Yashua - Yashua is Joshua."

quote]

I said that. not Kaltrop

Although to kaltrop, this isn't numerology either. If it's any ology at all it's letterology

Are you sure you're not trying to use Gematria for the Hebrew?

Even still, if we recognize The Son Who died on the cross, and the witness of His Apostles, how would The LORD get confused Who we are praying through? I can't even think of the Chinese name for our Lord Jesus Christ. So let those who want us to use only Yeshu'a or Yashua think what they want. It won't be the first time a certain religious group thought they were the only ones going to Heaven.

 

[JudaicChristian]

The name of Jesus Christ is Jesus Christ - not Yashua - Yashua is Joshua.

The name Jesus Christ in the Hebrew numeric value of the letters, adds up to 888. There are numerous other mathmatical (bible numeric) proofs, above and beyond 888 in the original Hebrew spelling of the name of Jesus Christ that proves this to be an irrefutable fact.

If anyone is interested I will provide the proof of this claim.

The actual birth name is Yahshua, and that is the trans-literal into English. Yahshua means "Life Savior." Jesus is the Greek word for his name. No one knows what the word Jesus means. Some people think it means "Praise Zeus."

 

[JudaicChristian]

Exodus 23:21
Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Jeremiah 16:21
"Therefore I will teach them— this time I will teach them my power and might. Then they will know that my name is Yahwah.
Psalm 68:4
Sing to God, sing praise to his name, extol him who rides on the clouds — his name is Yah— and rejoice before him.

 

[glorydaz]

The name of Jesus Christ is Jesus Christ - not Yashua - Yashua is Joshua.

The name Jesus Christ in the Hebrew numeric value of the letters, adds up to 888. There are numerous other mathmatical (bible numeric) proofs, above and beyond 888 in the original Hebrew spelling of the name of Jesus Christ that proves this to be an irrefutable fact.

If anyone is interested I will provide the proof of this claim.

The actual birth name is Yahshua, and that is the trans-literal into English. Yahshua means "Life Savior." Jesus is the Greek word for his name. No one knows what the word Jesus means. Some people think it means "Praise Zeus."

It sure doesn't mean "Praise Zeus". ;)

I've always known these two verses meant Joshua, but the KJV is the only one that translates them as Jesus. That's because the names are the same in Hebrew and Greek.

Reference KJV NKJV NIV NASB RSV YLT ASV
Acts 7:45 Jesus Joshua Joshua Joshua Joshua Joshua Joshua
Hebrews 4:8 Jesus Joshua Joshua Joshua Joshua Joshua Joshua

Looking at the context of these two verses, it is easily seen that they are referring to when Joshua was leading the Israelites into the promised land. So why does the KJV have "Jesus" in these two verses while the other translations have "Joshua"?

The answer lies in the fact that the name "Joshua" in Hebrew ("Yahowshuwa" , Strong's #3091) is the same name as "Jesus" in Greek ("Iesous" , Strongs #2424).

The problem is that these two names are NOT equivalent in English. In Hebrew, there is one name "Yahowshuwa", and in Greek there is one name "Iesous". In English, we have two names, "Joshua" and "Jesus", so when the translators see "Iesous" in the Greek, they must choose which English name to use, since it can either mean "Jesus" or "Joshua". Context is the key, and the correct choice for Acts 7:45 and Hebrews 4:8 is "Joshua".

A look at the underlying Greek in these verses shows that "Iesous" is the name under discussion here. Everywhere else in the NT, it is translated correctly as "Jesus", because that's who it is referring to. However, in these two verses (Acts 7:45 and Hebrews 4:8), the name is the same, but referring to Joshua of the Old Testament, not Jesus of the New.

Which also our fathers that came after brought in with Jesus into the possession of the Gentiles, whom God drave out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David;

For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

http://www.kjv-only.com/acts7_45.html

 

[Panin]

Even still, if we recognize The Son Who died on the cross, and the witness of His Apostles, how would The LORD get confused Who we are praying through? I can't even think of the Chinese name for our Lord Jesus Christ. So let those who want us to use only Yeshu'a or Yashua think what they want. It won't be the first time a certain religious group thought they were the only ones going to Heaven.[/quote]

Um, what does this have to do with being the only one in heaven. Im offering proof for what I am saying here. People can pray to Bill and Ben the flower pot men for all I care. That said I dont see the point of ENGLISH SPEAKING PEOPLE calling our Lord, Yashua, when that isnt his name.

And what is gematria?

 

[glorydaz]

No one has the market on our Lord's name.
We can groan and He'll answer. :yes

 

[Panin]

No one has the market on our Lord's name.
We can groan and He'll answer. :yes

Incorrect - The word of God has the market sewn up on the Lords name. God names him via the Holy Spirit.

Satan's market place uses The Lords real name as blaphemous swear word. If he can get it right, so should we.

 

[glorydaz]

No one has the market on our Lord's name.
We can groan and He'll answer. :yes

Incorrect - The word of God has the market sewn up on the Lords name. God names him via the Holy Spirit.

Satan's market place uses The Lords real name as blaphemous swear word. If he can get it right, so should we.

I disagree...If I call the Lord, Jesus, and my brother calls him Yashua, we are still calling on the same Lord. I won't quibble with a brother about what he calls our Savior.

 

[Cornelius]

No one has the market on our Lord's name.
We can groan and He'll answer. :yes

Amen brother

 

[Panin]

No one has the market on our Lord's name.
We can groan and He'll answer. :yes

Incorrect - The word of God has the market sewn up on the Lords name. God names him via the Holy Spirit.

Satan's market place uses The Lords real name as blaphemous swear word. If he can get it right, so should we.

I disagree...If I call the Lord, Jesus, and my brother calls him Yashua, we are still calling on the same Lord. I won't quibble with a brother about what he calls our Savior.

Then dont quibble with me.

 

[glorydaz]

I disagree...If I call the Lord, Jesus, and my brother calls him Yashua, we are still calling on the same Lord. I won't quibble with a brother about what he calls our Savior.

Then dont quibble with me.

Actually, I was supporting what you'd said....until you said that last. :yes

 

[Panin]

I disagree...If I call the Lord, Jesus, and my brother calls him Yashua, we are still calling on the same Lord. I won't quibble with a brother about what he calls our Savior.

Then dont quibble with me.

Actually, I was supporting what you'd said....until you said that last. :yes

Well I took that you where implying that I was quibbling with my brothers. My appologies if I missread your intent. Also not sure how starting a sentence with "I disagree" equates to supporting me??.