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Ye Are Gods...

Edward

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John 10:34
34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?/(kjv)

What is your take on this verse? John 10 in its entirety, actually, lol.
Let's discuss this.

That sort of thought is both scary and empowering at the same time. In a sense I/we...are God?? Not exalting ourselves above anything...but, in Christ, and Christ in us. One body (us), one Head (Christ), and in that sense, we are God's, being part of the collective?

Or am I missing this passage completely?! It's...been known to happen lol.
 
Or am I missing this passage completely?! It's...been known to happen lol.
The context of this verse explains it. The Hebrew word for *gods* is elohim (plural) but when used for God it is uni-plural. It can mean either *God* or *mighty ones*. So in the context of Israel's judges, it means *mighty ones*.

The judges of Israel were given delegated authority by God, and received the Word of God, hence "I said ye are gods". Yet they were simply human. In contrast the Son of God is divine, and may rightfully be called *God*. Yet Jesus did not say this outright, but indirectly: Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

To the Jews *Son of God* meant *God*, and they accused Christ of blasphemy (presuming He was merely the son of Joseph). Had they recognized His deity they would have worshipped Him.
 
First, Jesus was quoting a psalm, and I found this discussion on it:

"The Law which Jesus refers to in John 10:34 is actually a quote from Psalm 82, specifically verse 6. For the sake of properly understanding Jesus’ intent in using this particular text we quote the entire Psalm:
A Psalm of Asaph.
1God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment:
2"How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Selah
3Give justice to the weak and the fatherless; maintain the right of the afflicted and the destitute.
4Rescue the weak and the needy; deliver them from the hand of the wicked."
5They have neither knowledge nor understanding, they walk about in darkness; all the foundations of the earth are shaken.
6I said, "You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you;
7nevertheless, like men you shall die, and fall like any prince."
8Arise, O God, judge the earth; for you shall inherit all the nations!

Psalm 82 is a petition beseeching God to judge the so-called gods for their failure to maintain justice and righteousness. It is clear from the context that the gods are the men whom God appointed to rule and judge the people.[1]

The Psalmist provides support for viewing these gods as human beings since in v. 7 he says that they shall die like all other men. In fact, the following Psalm echoes the same theme of 82 and calls human judges gods"
Yet it is clear that neither the Levites nor Israel’s rulers were actual gods. The theology of the Psalms makes it abundantly evident that the gods of Psalm 82 could not have been some lesser divine beings that exist alongside Yahweh. The Psalms quite explicitly affirm the absolute uniqueness of Yahweh as the only true God:

"that they may know that you alone, whose name is the LORD, are the Most High over all the earth." Psalm 83:18

"There is none like you among the gods, O Lord, nor are there any works like yours. All the nations you have made shall come and worship before you, O Lord, and shall glorify your name. For you are great and do wondrous things; you ALONE are God." Psalm 86:8-10

"For who in the skies can be compared to the LORD? Who among the heavenly beings is like the LORD, a God greatly to be feared in the council of the holy ones, and awesome above all who are around him? O LORD God of hosts, who is mighty as you are, O LORD, with your faithfulness all around you?" Psalm 89:6-8"
http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/john10_34-36.htm

However, the Mormons use this verse to support some of their beliefs, which I don't think is warranted.

Christianity has and does believe in theosis, however: In Eastern Orthodoxy deification (theosis) is a transformative process whose goal is likeness to or union with God.
"I said, “You are gods,
And all of you are children of the Most High.” (Psalm 82:6)

This is a verse that most Protestants do not underline in their Bibles. What on earth does it mean—“you are gods”? Doesn’t our faith teach that there is only one God, in three Persons? How can human beings be gods?

In the Orthodox Church, this concept is neither new nor startling. It even has a name: theosis. Theosis is the understanding that human beings can have real union with God, and so become like God to such a degree that we participate in the divine nature. Also referred to as deification, divinization, or illumination, it is a concept derived from the New Testament regarding the goal of our relationship with the Triune God. (Theosis and deification may be used interchangeably. We will avoid the term divinization, since it could be misread for divination, which is another thing altogether!) (Supported by 2Peter 1:4 "Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature")
 
Psalms Chapter 82 explains clearly that it is those in high authority here on earth like that of the Scribes and Pharisees that become their own gods, but yet denying who Jesus said He was even though they saw the works of the Father done through Him.
 
Oh, I wouldn't want to do that. I'm no God. I am nothing without Christ... But, in Christ all things are possible.

That, is exciting enough for me. To me, He has given the power to become a son of God...:sohappy

Praise the Lord and His mighty Name, forever..
 
I can tell you this Creflo Dollar took it literally, I saw him preach on this once some years ago. He was saying we are not like our creator God, but little gods or something like that.
 
I can tell you this Creflo Dollar took it literally, I saw him preach on this once some years ago. He was saying we are not like our creator God, but little gods or something like that.

:confused that's a little weird. Being " in Christ " in spirit, would be being just like God. One Spirit, one mind, one heart...one being. He is the head and is in control, and we are subordinate in Him and His will.

I had read Psalm s 82 and was actually going to post that too. :clap

In John 20:17 Jesus spoke with Him & man on the same level almost. My Father & your Father, My God & your God...that's huge.

Reminds me of the time the Holy Spirit came upon me and instructed me to pray for a Brother in Christ who needed help. He didn't need me to help one of His Children...He honored and blessed me by allowing me to participate. It's the same for all of us belivers. I'm pretty sure that we have a very special place in heaven.

We will judge Angels? Whoa. (I'll need a class for that one, lol)
Jesus is called King of Kings and Lord of lords.

Man's original station in life was Gardner and who knows what else if we hadn't messed up.

Maybe this whole earth life test thing is so we'll appreciate heaven more than if we were created there as Angels were.
 
Creflo sort of hit the nail.

Bene Elohim or sons of God is a term used in the Old Testament to refer to the Israelite believers in YHWH..

It is a recurring theme in John.
See John 1:12. (NIV).

NOT that we are The Son of God... But we are adopted sons and daughters.

"Son of Man" is a Greek and Aramaic and Babylonian term meaning Son of God.
 
All great responses.
Just to add, and sorry for not posting the passages, but in Exodus, the Lord claims Israel as his Son. Thus, if you were of Israel, you were a son of God.
Also, Moses was to be as God before Pharoah, which collaborates with an earlier mention that the leaders (Sanhedrian) were viewed as Gods to the nations.
 
All great responses.
Just to add, and sorry for not posting the passages, but in Exodus, the Lord claims Israel as his Son. Thus, if you were of Israel, you were a son of God.
Also, Moses was to be as God before Pharoah, which collaborates with an earlier mention that the leaders (Sanhedrian) were viewed as Gods to the nations.

I found it in Exodus 4:22 and the Lord does indeed declare Israel as his firstborn son.
Son, but not to be confused with God's only begotten Son of God. :wink

I ran across this earlier too. In John 1:12 it says;

John 1:12
2 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:../

Then in Romans, it says who becomes, sons of God...
Romans 8:14
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.../

That's so encouraging to think about! So much to look forward to!! We're to have a very special place in heaven...if led of the Spirit.
 
John 10:34
34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?/(kjv)

What is your take on this verse? John 10 in its entirety, actually, lol.
Let's discuss this.
Psalm 82:6, from which Yeshua is quoting, does not say "Ye are gods" except in English. The Hebrew uses "elohim" in the sense of "mighty ones"; "You are mighty ones" is the proper English translation. The Jews understood Yeshua to be claiming he was "God" because he claimed "God" was his Father and that they were one. edited reba
 
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I found it in Exodus 4:22 and the Lord does indeed declare Israel as his firstborn son.
Son, but not to be confused with God's only begotten Son of God. :wink

I ran across this earlier too. In John 1:12 it says;

John 1:12
2 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:../

Then in Romans, it says who becomes, sons of God...
Romans 8:14
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.../

That's so encouraging to think about! So much to look forward to!! We're to have a very special place in heaven...if led of the Spirit.
Romans 8:14-15 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. For ye received not the spirit of bondage again unto fear; but ye received the spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

What a wonderful story once the pieces start falling into place huh?

Good to hear from you brother!
 
Psalm 82:6, from which Yeshua is quoting, does not say "Ye are gods" except in English. The Hebrew uses "elohim" in the sense of "mighty ones"; "You are mighty ones" is the proper English translation. The Jews misunderstood Yeshua to be claiming he was "God" because he claimed "God" was his Father and that they were one. He corrected them by telling them he was merely claiming to be the Son of God (verse 36).
Claiming to be the Son of God is claiming God was his Father. The Jews did not misunderstand, they knew full well that that is a claim to deity, hence they tried, more than once, to kill him because he made that claim. There is absolutely nothing "merely" about it.
 
Claiming to be the Son of God is claiming God was his Father.
I agree.

The Jews did not misunderstand, they knew full well that that is a claim to deity, hence they tried, more than once, to kill him because he made that claim. There is absolutely nothing "merely" about it.

2.1: This is a Christian site, therefore, any attempt to put down Christianity (or declare that it is false) and the basic tenets of our Faith will be considered a hostile act. reba
 
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Romans 8:14-15 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. For ye received not the spirit of bondage again unto fear; but ye received the spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

What a wonderful story once the pieces start falling into place huh?

Good to hear from you brother!

Thanks, Brother, it sure is! My flesh life is falling to pieces, and yet, all these words & knowledge are just clicking into place like you say. And like the Word prophecizes.

I think it's important to, not underestimate God or put Him into a box of old Sunday school teachings and thereby inhibit our growth. So I like to keep a very open mind about the supernatural stuff, as if, what if it was really true...

Do we really need to put our hands into His side before we can believe? They had trouble with their unbelief and they were walking with Jesus, let us not make the same mistake.

Lord, help my unbelief...
 
Thanks, Brother, it sure is! My flesh life is falling to pieces, and yet, all these words & knowledge are just clicking into place like you say. And like the Word prophecizes.

I think it's important to, not underestimate God or put Him into a box of old Sunday school teachings and thereby inhibit our growth. So I like to keep a very open mind about the supernatural stuff, as if, what if it was really true...

Do we really need to put our hands into His side before we can believe? They had trouble with their unbelief and they were walking with Jesus, let us not make the same mistake.

Lord, help my unbelief...
Amen,
You know brother, I owe you an apology from years past about the Nephelim stuff. Although I still disagree, that gave me no right to have treated you that way. It was wrong of me.

Do you know what I mean when I say we know things, but we don't understand them? Well, I've always knew that we are all on the same path, but we are at different points along the way, and some of us see things that the other missed etc. I had no right to treat you the way I did. Sorry brother.
 
Amen,
You know brother, I owe you an apology from years past about the Nephelim stuff. Although I still disagree, that gave me no right to have treated you that way. It was wrong of me.

Do you know what I mean when I say we know things, but we don't understand them? Well, I've always knew that we are all on the same path, but we are at different points along the way, and some of us see things that the other missed etc. I had no right to treat you the way I did. Sorry brother.

That's great Brother. Praise the Lord for time, growth, and forgiveness.
Unity within the body is all our goals and it very much is possible while disagreeing at the same time. All it takes is a humble heart and the love of Christ. (Not always an easy thing!)

But you're there! Bless you and praise the Lord. Me too Brother. I apologize too, I'm sure I added fuel to the fire too.

:amen
 
That's great Brother. Praise the Lord for time, growth, and forgiveness.
Unity within the body is all our goals and it very much is possible while disagreeing at the same time. All it takes is a humble heart and the love of Christ. (Not always an easy thing!)

But you're there! Bless you and praise the Lord. Me too Brother. I apologize too, I'm sure I added fuel to the fire too.

:amen
Your a good man.
God has a funny way to humble ones heart.... it is a fearful thing. But he knows what we can handle, and he knows what we need. It's all about relationship and what those relationships look like.

Thank you Edward.
 
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