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Julian Pyke
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Hey guys, I already know this, but I want to hear from you guys. Did God command Adam and Eve not to touch and eat from the treee in the midst of the garden, or just eat from it?
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Rick W
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Not to touch it was an idea Eve added.
For starters:
To paraphrase a study bible:
"The woman adds to God's word, distorting His directive and demonstrating that the serpent's subtle challenge was working it's poison."
Another footnote:
"Some interpreters suggest that the woman was already sinning by adding to God's Word for these words were not of God's instructions in 2:17. Yet the first sin was not lying, it was eating the fruit that God had forbidden. Her words reflected the original command well enough and indeed they would have ensured that the command would be kept."
For starters:
To paraphrase a study bible:
"The woman adds to God's word, distorting His directive and demonstrating that the serpent's subtle challenge was working it's poison."
Another footnote:
"Some interpreters suggest that the woman was already sinning by adding to God's Word for these words were not of God's instructions in 2:17. Yet the first sin was not lying, it was eating the fruit that God had forbidden. Her words reflected the original command well enough and indeed they would have ensured that the command would be kept."
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Julian Pyke
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Why dont you just show me where God tells Adam do not eat of the fruit in the midst of teh garden and where Eve says eat and touch. My question is, did Adam tell her wrong?
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Rick W
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Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
There's no mention where Eve got her info. Either God did tell her or Adam did but either way that bit of information isn't in Genesis.
Both walked with God in the Garden, this much is apparent. What they talked about we don't know.
I suppose the same thing can be said for Christ's disciples too. Heck, they were with Him for 3 years and all their conversations aren't recorded either. In fact, little is known of their fireside chats or teachings while they were with Him going from one town to another.
John 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
There's no mention where Eve got her info. Either God did tell her or Adam did but either way that bit of information isn't in Genesis.
Both walked with God in the Garden, this much is apparent. What they talked about we don't know.
I suppose the same thing can be said for Christ's disciples too. Heck, they were with Him for 3 years and all their conversations aren't recorded either. In fact, little is known of their fireside chats or teachings while they were with Him going from one town to another.
John 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
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Solo
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I believe that God told Adam not to eat from the tree, and then God made Eve, afterwhich Adam clued Eve in on not eating from the tree. Eve told satan that God said not to eat of the tree, so it seems that she believed Adam, or God had specifically told her also. Either way, she knew not to eat of the tree.
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. Genesis 3:2-3
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. Genesis 3:2-3
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Julian Pyke
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Genesis Chapter 2:
15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Genesis Chapter 3:
1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? 2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
God COMMANDED that they would not eat of the tree. EAT. He NEVER said TOUCH, otherwise when Eve would have touched it, and Adam, they would have sinned, they only sinned whne they ATE.
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. 7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
Now, somethign else I just want to say, God did not know Adam and Eve had sinned. he didn't know until he found Adam. If he did know, tehre would be an elemnt of decient in him. Basically, God did not know Adam and Eve sinned until he found Adam and Even and Adam told him.
Any comments?
15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Genesis Chapter 3:
1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? 2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
God COMMANDED that they would not eat of the tree. EAT. He NEVER said TOUCH, otherwise when Eve would have touched it, and Adam, they would have sinned, they only sinned whne they ATE.
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. 7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
Now, somethign else I just want to say, God did not know Adam and Eve had sinned. he didn't know until he found Adam. If he did know, tehre would be an elemnt of decient in him. Basically, God did not know Adam and Eve sinned until he found Adam and Even and Adam told him.
Any comments?
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Rick W
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No offense ok? But why didn't you just say all that in the first place?
That's what I posted.
So, is this the reason of your topic?
Julian Pyke said:God COMMANDED that they would not eat of the tree. EAT. He NEVER said TOUCH, otherwise when Eve would have touched it, and Adam, they would have sinned, they only sinned whne they ATE.
That's what I posted.
PotLuck said:Another footnote:
"Some interpreters suggest that the woman was already sinning by adding to God's Word for these words were not of God's instructions in 2:17. Yet the first sin was not lying, it was eating the fruit that God had forbidden. Her words reflected the original command well enough and indeed they would have ensured that the command would be kept."
So, is this the reason of your topic?
Julian Pyke said:Now, somethign else I just want to say, God did not know Adam and Eve had sinned. he didn't know until he found Adam. If he did know, tehre would be an elemnt of decient in him. Basically, God did not know Adam and Eve sinned until he found Adam and Even and Adam told him.
Any comments?
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Solo
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I do not believe that Eve lied before she sinned, so if she said that God said not to touch or eat of the fruit, that is what I believe the truth is. Adam, Eve, and God did not lie prior to sin, and God never lies.
God knew before Adam and Eve sinned that they were going to; for Jesus' death on the cross was established prior to the foundations of the world. God has never lied, nor has he ever deceived or tempted anyone.
God knew before Adam and Eve sinned that they were going to; for Jesus' death on the cross was established prior to the foundations of the world. God has never lied, nor has he ever deceived or tempted anyone.
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Rick W
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Mother catches Johnny with his hands in the cookie jar
"What are you doing young man?!?!"
How many times have we heard this same type of question?
Of course God knew what was done and where Adam was. The question is rhetorical. God warned them beforehand that the transgression would separate them from God through death. We see that in Satan's statement in Gen 3:4.
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
a lie.
Making Adam answer the question drives home the seriousness of the act. Adam tried to hide from God where before he walked with God without guilt.
"What are you doing young man?!?!"
How many times have we heard this same type of question?
Of course God knew what was done and where Adam was. The question is rhetorical. God warned them beforehand that the transgression would separate them from God through death. We see that in Satan's statement in Gen 3:4.
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
a lie.
Making Adam answer the question drives home the seriousness of the act. Adam tried to hide from God where before he walked with God without guilt.
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Julian Pyke
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Eve never lied, nor did God tell Eve not to touch of the fruit. It was just a mishap, you aint lieing unless you know your lieing. If I told you I was 5 foot 4, but really 5 foot 5, not realising I had grown an inch, I aint lieing. Eve just assumed not touch it as well.
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Rick W
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Julian Pyke said:Eve just assumed not touch it as well.
True enough.
Neither are we as christians simply to refrain from sin to to flee from it.
1Co 6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
1Co 10:14 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.
1Ti 6:11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
It's still Eve's preception of the seriousness of the sin which she attempted to convey during her discourse with Satan.
A pastor I used to know taught "Don't even go there" refering to toying with sin as in saying, "I can handle it." like even a little flirting with another while married. "Don't go there" ... "Don't even touch it." Flee from sin. Run!
For me it's like not going into a bar even for a Coke. The temptation would be too near, too close.
But in the end her desire to be as a god overcame her for Satan paved the way with excuse bringing her focus onto the object of her temptation.
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Solo
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Well God said that all that he created was good, I can't see Eve being one to misconceive anything. I believe that she was deceived because she believed that the serpeant was good and wouldn't lie as well, but satan had to conceal himself inorder to decieve Eve just as he does today.
God very well could have told Adam and Eve not to touch the fruit of the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil because he knew the next step was easy to bridge to, eating the fruit.
That is my perspective on the matter.
God very well could have told Adam and Eve not to touch the fruit of the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil because he knew the next step was easy to bridge to, eating the fruit.
That is my perspective on the matter.
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Julian Pyke
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Again, if he would of said not touch it, it would have been said inthe Bible (in the Bible he said eat) and when they would ahve touched it, they would have then sinned.
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Solo
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Eve said that he said not to touch it, so it is in the Bible. It just isn't in the Bible the way you think that it ought to be.Julian Pyke said:Again, if he would of said not touch it, it would have been said inthe Bible (in the Bible he said eat) and when they would ahve touched it, they would have then sinned.
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Julian Pyke
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but when she touched it, she did not sin, otehrwise it would ahve said she touched it and gained knowledge, it was when she ate, she sinned, and gained knowledge
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Solo
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So then Eve lied prior to sin coming into the world.
Perhaps God said do not touch and eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Then Adam and Eve would have had to touch and eat prior to it becoming sin.
Perhaps God said do not touch and eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Then Adam and Eve would have had to touch and eat prior to it becoming sin.
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Julian Pyke
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Eve never lied, she was decieved into believeing something. If I were told 2+2 was 5 by my father, I owuld say 5, (when I was young) but teh answer is 4, I am repeating what I beleve to be truth.I am not lieing.
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Solo
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I don't believe that Eve lied either. I believe that Eve was told not to touch or eat of the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil.
She said that God told her not to eat of the fruit or touch the fruit. If God did not tell her not to touch the fruit, she lied. There is no way around it. I do not believe that Eve was ignorant, and that what she said was what she knew was truth. Her understanding that all was good except that fruit brought her into trouble when satan spoke through a creature that was also good. Satan deceived Eve through a good creature.
I believe that that is what she was told by God or by Adam, as is what she told the serpeant.
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. Genesis 3:2-3
It is not a biggy, but it is important that we understand that Eve was not sinful prior to eating the fruit. She would not have made a mistake like lying to the serpeant, ignorant or not. I don't believe that Eve could lie until after disobeying God since God created her and found her to be good.
She said that God told her not to eat of the fruit or touch the fruit. If God did not tell her not to touch the fruit, she lied. There is no way around it. I do not believe that Eve was ignorant, and that what she said was what she knew was truth. Her understanding that all was good except that fruit brought her into trouble when satan spoke through a creature that was also good. Satan deceived Eve through a good creature.
I believe that that is what she was told by God or by Adam, as is what she told the serpeant.
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. Genesis 3:2-3
It is not a biggy, but it is important that we understand that Eve was not sinful prior to eating the fruit. She would not have made a mistake like lying to the serpeant, ignorant or not. I don't believe that Eve could lie until after disobeying God since God created her and found her to be good.
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Rick W
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Heck, Eve couldn't have lied since her eyes weren't yet "opened" to know good and evil. Her desire to be as a god was within her, the sinful nature. She didn't know that but Satan sure did and used it against her by tempting her bringing that nature front and center. Satan is very good at what he does. He hates mankind. To say with a passion is an understatement. And he'll continue hating man even in the hereafter. That's one fellow I prefer to avoid.
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xicali
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This is my two bits on the subject:
“…out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.†Genesis 2:9
Notice the narrator includes The Tree of Life as pleasant and good for food. The Tree of Life is on the midst of the garden.
The tree of knowledge of good and evil is not in the ‘midst’ or occupying the same space as the tree of life.
How do I know this?
"…He drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life. Genesis 3:24
Therefore the tree of knowledge of good and evil has to be a sword’s length away from the midst or the other tree.
He said to Adam: “…God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Genesis 2:16-17
So Adam could eat of the tree that was on the midst freely. This command was given to Adam alone he was the only one who had this information. He saw the tree every day.
Eve had not been formed yet so she had to have heard this command from Adam. Eve told the serpent what she had heard from her husband.
We have to take into account that she does not’ know what a lie is, or what good or evil are.
“…the woman said unto the serpent, we may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: …of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.†Genesis 3:2-3
Notice that she mentions the tree of good and evil as being on the ‘midst’ of the garden? Who deceived who?
"...Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." 1 Timothy 2:14
Was Adam not deceived because he was the deceiver? The verse says Eve was on the transgression. I believe she was in it unknownly
by one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Sin didn't enter into the world because of Eve she was beguiled.
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
The Spanish version uses "your senses be corrupted" instead of your mente [mind].
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die [SHE HEARD]:
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food [BY NATURE WE SEE SOMETHING WE ARE ABOUT TO EAT THAT WE HAVE NEVER EATEN BY SMELLING IT], and that it was pleasant to the eyes[SIGHT], and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took[TOUCH] of the fruit thereof, and did eat[TASTE], and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat...The mind was corrupted by a corrupted mind...[continues]
This is my own research I don't mean to offend no one...God gives us gifts and teaching is one of them. I respect your views and the love you have for our Lord and His Beloved Church...I do too.
U R Blessed
xicali
“…out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.†Genesis 2:9
Notice the narrator includes The Tree of Life as pleasant and good for food. The Tree of Life is on the midst of the garden.
The tree of knowledge of good and evil is not in the ‘midst’ or occupying the same space as the tree of life.
How do I know this?
"…He drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life. Genesis 3:24
Therefore the tree of knowledge of good and evil has to be a sword’s length away from the midst or the other tree.
He said to Adam: “…God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Genesis 2:16-17
So Adam could eat of the tree that was on the midst freely. This command was given to Adam alone he was the only one who had this information. He saw the tree every day.
Eve had not been formed yet so she had to have heard this command from Adam. Eve told the serpent what she had heard from her husband.
We have to take into account that she does not’ know what a lie is, or what good or evil are.
“…the woman said unto the serpent, we may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: …of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.†Genesis 3:2-3
Notice that she mentions the tree of good and evil as being on the ‘midst’ of the garden? Who deceived who?
"...Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." 1 Timothy 2:14
Was Adam not deceived because he was the deceiver? The verse says Eve was on the transgression. I believe she was in it unknownly
by one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Sin didn't enter into the world because of Eve she was beguiled.
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
The Spanish version uses "your senses be corrupted" instead of your mente [mind].
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die [SHE HEARD]:
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food [BY NATURE WE SEE SOMETHING WE ARE ABOUT TO EAT THAT WE HAVE NEVER EATEN BY SMELLING IT], and that it was pleasant to the eyes[SIGHT], and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took[TOUCH] of the fruit thereof, and did eat[TASTE], and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat...The mind was corrupted by a corrupted mind...[continues]
This is my own research I don't mean to offend no one...God gives us gifts and teaching is one of them. I respect your views and the love you have for our Lord and His Beloved Church...I do too.
U R Blessed
xicali