YOUR son piercing his ear(s): would you let him?

[farouk]

I notice it periodically, and guess what? It is attractive! Yes, my grandson doesn't have one....

Alabaster:

Well, you seem to like it, anyway...

I wonder if your grandson notices it, too... (It's surprising what ppl do and don't notice, sometimes.)

Have a great 2011!

 

[Bazz1040]

There was another thread that went sort of quiet or dead, and it was about jewelry, earrings and stuff. But here is a poll, folks.

So what do you guys reckon? votes, responses?

The question is why would anyone want to pierce their ear or ears? We tend to deal with the symptoms rather than the cause for the symptom......ear piercing is a symptom. Once you address the cause there will be less of a reason to tell your child not to do this or that because you say so. Like all people children need to be empowered, and the gospel is a message of empowerment. The gospel is not only about Jesus coming and dying for man’s sins. It also about the unification or the joining of the God-head with human beings as well as the individual.

The gospel tells us that human beings are made to be in an intermit relationship with God, as Jesus said He did, and share ruler ship over all things with God……we were all born to rule……we will be among other things kings and priest.

So the youths need to know that the way things are now will not be that way forever.....they can be a part of something BIG, that will change the world permanently forever…….their ultimate purpose is to be free as God is.<O:p</O:p

 

[farouk]

The question is why would anyone want to pierce their ear or ears? We tend to deal with the symptoms rather than the cause for the symptom......ear piercing is a symptom. Once you address the cause there will be less of a reason to tell your child not to do this or that because you say so. Like all people children need to be empowered, and the gospel is a message of empowerment. The gospel is not only about Jesus coming and dying for man’s sins. It also about the unification or the joining of the God-head with human beings as well as the individual.

The gospel tells us that human beings are made to be in an intermit relationship with God, as Jesus said He did, and share ruler ship over all things with God……we were all born to rule……we will be among other things kings and priest.

So the youths need to know that the way things are now will not be that way forever.....they can be a part of something BIG, that will change the world permanently forever…….their ultimate purpose is to be free as God is.<o>:p</o>:p

B:

You're fully entitled to your views and reflections. Men and women in the Bible are also recorded as having pierced ears.

 

[Bazz1040]

B:

You're fully entitled to your views and reflections. Men and women in the Bible are also recorded as having pierced ears.

But what's your point though? Men and women dressed differently than the we do today, so should we also dress the way they dressed? Why limit it to just ear rings/piercing the ears? What is so special about that? Before one advocate or imitate how other people dress in those days, it might be important to know why they wore ear rings. What kind of statement a person today trying to make? Is it about looking cool, trying to fit in the in-group or some other vain glory?

 

[farouk]

But what's your point though? Men and women dressed differently than the we do today, so should we also dress the way they dressed? Why limit it to just ear rings/piercing the ears? What is so special about that? Before one advocate or imitate how other people dress in those days, it might be important to know why they wore ear rings. What kind of statement a person today trying to make? Is it about looking cool, trying to fit in the in-group or some other vain glory?

B:

Ear piercing is a Biblical subject - eg, re. bondservants; & earrings and jewelry are linked symbolically with imputed righteousness in parts of the Old Testament.

 

[Bazz1040]

B:

Ear piercing is a Biblical subject - eg, re. bondservants; & earrings and jewelry are linked symbolically with imputed righteousness in parts of the Old Testament.

I did not say it was not a Biblical subject. But because something is mentioned in the Bible, does it mean we should do it? You mentioned bondservants; should we have bondservants because that is in the Bible? Don't confuse things that were part of the culture back then with what is more important to God.

People back then were not slave to fashion as many people do today, but had a good reason why they pierced their ear or wore earrings.

 

[farouk]

I did not say it was not a Biblical subject. But because something is mentioned in the Bible, does it mean we should do it? You mentioned bondservants; should we have bondservants because that is in the Bible? Don't confuse things that were part of the culture back then with what is more important to God.<o>:p</o>:p

B:

The symbolism refers to something doctrinal, and therefore can be a talking point in testimony. The aesthetic aspect may have something to do with it but it can go beyond it.

For example, in her book 'A Heart for God', Elisabeth Hoekstra says:

"My ears had already been pierced once when I was a teenager, but I had each ear pierced a second time. Some could say I had the second holes done in response to a trend. But I know my heart's interest: I wanted my commitment inside to be seen outside. I wanted the second hole to be a sign of obedience and a mark of ownership. Like the Hebrew servants in the Old Testament, I opted for the choice of staying a servant with my Master. I wanted to serve Him for life."

 

[Bazz1040]

B:

The symbolism refers to something doctrinal, and therefore can be a talking point in testimony. The aesthetic aspect may have something to do with it but it can go beyond it.

For example, in her book 'A Heart for God', Elisabeth Hoekstra says:

"My ears had already been pierced once when I was a teenager, but I had each ear pierced a second time. Some could say I had the second holes done in response to a trend. But I know my heart's interest: I wanted my commitment inside to be seen outside. I wanted the second hole to be a sign of obedience and a mark of ownership. Like the Hebrew servants in the Old Testament, I opted for the choice of staying a servant with my Master. I wanted to serve Him for life."

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I am not a believer in imitating other people (many Christians mindlessly do that that)…….God made me free to be who He made me to be......an individual and not a clone in the way I think and act. It may be fine for her based on her limited understanding.

In the Old Testament (not every truth was made known to those men) and to a limited extent in some part of the New Testament, a man or a woman of God was called a servant. But that is not how Jesus or the Father sees us.

In the New Testament it says a servant will not abide in the house forever, only a son or a child.

John 8:35-36 (NKJV)
<SUP>35 </SUP>And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever.
<SUP>36 </SUP>Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.

Meaning, if you are only a servant then you have no inheritance to receive, because you are not an offspring of the Father. So I don't need to do what she did, not only because we are living in a different culture and times, but also how I live tell other who I am and belongs to.....I am a son of God and not just a servant.....and a father does not tell/compel his children to pierce their ears to show that he owns them. A son of God is know by the fruit of the Spirit....that's all we need.

 

[farouk]

B:

Oh, I don't think that Ms Hoekstra - who has written several Christian books - was suggesting that there is a compulsion to ear piercing.

I guess for her it was more a talking point, though I certainly don't speak for her.

Though with young men, too, including Christian young men, ear piercing is certainly a custom for various unrelated reasons, too.

 

[Bazz1040]

B:

Oh, I don't think that Ms Hoekstra - who has written several Christian books - was suggesting that there is a compulsion to ear piercing.

I guess for her it was more a talking point, though I certainly don't speak for her.

Though with young men, too, including Christian young men, ear piercing is certainly a custom for various unrelated reasons, too.

I suspect that they are trying to imitate those in the world. I remember when I use to attend a Christian school, that some students would use substitute curse words instead of the curse words that none Christians would use. Christians wearing earring kind of remind me of that.......see how close you can be like those in the world without actually sinning.<O:p</O:p

 

[farouk]

I suspect that they are trying to imitate those in the world. I remember when I use to attend a Christian school, that some students would use substitute curse words instead of the curse words that none Christians would use. Christians wearing earring kind of remind me of that.......see how close you can be like those in the world without actually sinning.<o>:p</o>:p

B:

Fact is, some young men's moms actually like the idea of their sons getting earrings, so I don't know how your theory would work in such circumstances.

 

[Bazz1040]

B:

Fact is, some young men's moms actually like the idea of their sons getting earrings, so I don't know how your theory would work in such circumstances.

I wonder what would be the reason for those mothers liking the idea of their sons getting earrings. And because the mother likes it does not mean that those young men are not trying to imitate non believers. I am not saying it is bad in and of itself, but the motivation can be wrong.<O:p</O:p

 

[farouk]

I wonder what would be the reason for those mothers liking the idea of their sons getting earrings. And because the mother likes it does not mean that those young men are not trying to imitate non believers. I am not saying it is bad in and of itself, but the motivation can be wrong.<o>:p</o>:p

B:

Well, we only have to read what westtexas, above, said:

We had it pierced and got him a small diamond earring for his high school graduation present.

I guess this mom and dad would just say, like with wearing a necktie, it's kind of smart and classy. I guess you could also ask, too, Why wear a necktie?

I guess a lot of people might say, for either item: it's simply something that might be regarded as a suitable and appropriate thing to do, when the time in their life comes to have it.

 

[farouk]

PS: handy:

Seriously, it wouldn't bother me if my son got an earring. It truly wouldn't. But, since it would bother his dad, he really can't do it.

I do think that no parent should feel pressurized in some way or other to accept something like an earring decision. Ideally it's the sort of issue where if everyone is comfortable with it, then it can be entered into in as something that is benign and tasteful. (But not before the parents are 'on board'.)

 

[Bazz1040]

B:

Well, we only have to read what westtexas, above, said:



I guess this mom and dad would just say, like with wearing a necktie, it's kind of smart and classy. I guess you could also ask, too, Why wear a necktie?

I guess a lot of people might say, for either item: it's simply something that might be regarded as a suitable and appropriate thing to do, when the time in their life comes to have it.

Or some use it as a way of drawing attention to themselves. But regardless of the reason or motivation, I don't care one way or the other. As for me, these things are of no value to me.<O:p</O:p

 

[farouk]

Or some use it as a way of drawing attention to themselves. But regardless of the reason or motivation, I don't care one way or the other. As for me, these things are of no value to me.<o>:p</o>:p

B:

Well, this is just fine, as far as you are concerned.

Perfectly fine.

But personally I don't fundamentally see much difference between a young man wearing a necktie for an important occasion, or putting a stud in his ear for the same occasion. (High school graduation, or whatever, etc.)

 

[Free]

Guys piercing their ears is so '80s and quite cheesy IMO. And really there is no point to it.

And, yes, there is a difference between piercing one's ear and wearing a necktie.

 

[farouk]

Guys piercing their ears is so '80s and quite cheesy IMO. And really there is no point to it.

And, yes, there is a difference between piercing one's ear and wearing a necktie.

Free:

Well it's not the same thing, obviously.

But inherently, as a practice, there is no fundamental difference, if they are worn as a matter of widespread custom. It's a cultural thing, really.

(RE. 'cheesy', it's very subjective, but on the contrary for some young men it can almost be part of a tough guy image.)

 

[Free]

Free:

Well it's not the same thing, obviously.

But inherently, as a practice, there is no fundamental difference, if they are worn as a matter of widespread custom. It's a cultural thing, really.

(RE. 'cheesy', it's very subjective, but on the contrary for some young men it can almost be part of a tough guy image.)

I just can't get pictures of boy bands and mullets out of my head. Personally I find jewelry to be more on the feminine side of things.

But even with the "cultural thing," those are two very different cultures and Christians need to be careful about which culture they may choose to emulate.

 

[farouk]

I just can't get pictures of boy bands and mullets out of my head. Personally I find jewelry to be more on the feminine side of things.

But even with the "cultural thing," those are two very different cultures and Christians need to be careful about which culture they may choose to emulate.

Free,

Well I think there are various Christian male musicians who happen to wear earrings. Including members of some of the more well known Christian groups.

I don't think that ear piercing is inherently feminine, either, because some men in the Bible had them.

(Maybe to some extent it's a case of what ppl are accustomed to?)