cosmicutopia
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The discussion starting at 1:30
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Your thoughts on this video
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jasoncran
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not at my church. or any that i have attended. i sit in the back and would notice if the same persons would come forward each time.
some would say that i would be one of them as i get convicted and pray and also pray for others at the alter call. i have sat at the alter during worship and got healed of porn in my church.
some would say that i would be one of them as i get convicted and pray and also pray for others at the alter call. i have sat at the alter during worship and got healed of porn in my church.
How sad to say i agree with the speaker! Local churches i have attended dont do the "plant people' thing. I do know of 'plants' when there are guest speakers.
The message this guy is giving is so very true.. If any of us dont think so just look at the local churches..
Thank God for the strong Christians willing to stand. We do have many milquetoast so called Christians in the USA but we also have a real 'church'.
The message this guy is giving is so very true.. If any of us dont think so just look at the local churches..
Thank God for the strong Christians willing to stand. We do have many milquetoast so called Christians in the USA but we also have a real 'church'.
Bonairos
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First let me say that I DO agree with the message. The message being, “Christ came to save us; all of us.â€
Though I agree, I personally might not have taken some of the paths he took to get there.
Is there a difference? Does it matter? Does one trump the other?
(A) Psychological manipulation(?) to make it easier for “Unbelievers†to come forward (to Christ). Is it wrong to make it easier for an unbeliever to come TO Christ? Once there (as with all of us) God will deal with him/her. Would God (even) move through our psyches to introduce Himself to us?
(B) Psychological. Isn’t that what Satan uses to make it easy for people to stay away from God and not be introduced at all?
(C) Does it defeat the purpose of bringing someone (truly) to Christ if in doing so, we include (and emphasize mockingly) stories of sincere Believers doing it the “wrong†way? (could that be considered a form of psychological manipulation in itself?) Sort of like saying, “Listen to me, I know how to introduce you to Jesus. They are doing it wrong.†Do we not have the same intent? Would this not cause a choice between one minister and another when the choice is really between the unbeliever and the Lord Himself (not us or our methods)?
Is there a difference? Does it matter? Does one trump the other?
The video did not include the end of the message. So I can only wonder if an invitation to Christ was given (the right way) or not. Or if he sat down with each individually and then “gone for the sale†as he put it.
Again, as I stated at the top of this post, I DO agree with the message. The message being, “Christ came to save us; all of us.†I just might have just taken a different path to get there.
Be blessed, Stay blessed, and be Bold!
Though I agree, I personally might not have taken some of the paths he took to get there.
Is there a difference? Does it matter? Does one trump the other?
(A) Psychological manipulation(?) to make it easier for “Unbelievers†to come forward (to Christ). Is it wrong to make it easier for an unbeliever to come TO Christ? Once there (as with all of us) God will deal with him/her. Would God (even) move through our psyches to introduce Himself to us?
(B) Psychological. Isn’t that what Satan uses to make it easy for people to stay away from God and not be introduced at all?
(C) Does it defeat the purpose of bringing someone (truly) to Christ if in doing so, we include (and emphasize mockingly) stories of sincere Believers doing it the “wrong†way? (could that be considered a form of psychological manipulation in itself?) Sort of like saying, “Listen to me, I know how to introduce you to Jesus. They are doing it wrong.†Do we not have the same intent? Would this not cause a choice between one minister and another when the choice is really between the unbeliever and the Lord Himself (not us or our methods)?
Is there a difference? Does it matter? Does one trump the other?
The video did not include the end of the message. So I can only wonder if an invitation to Christ was given (the right way) or not. Or if he sat down with each individually and then “gone for the sale†as he put it.
Again, as I stated at the top of this post, I DO agree with the message. The message being, “Christ came to save us; all of us.†I just might have just taken a different path to get there.
Be blessed, Stay blessed, and be Bold!