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atheist, provide evidence that your belief is more valid than that of Christianity, you believe it so you should explain why.

the burden of proof is on you
 
I've always thought Atheism was a lack of belief rather than a belief in nothing. If one lacks belief, how can they answer your question?
 
WIP said:
I've always thought Atheism was a lack of belief rather than a belief in nothing. If one lacks belief, how can they answer your question?
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Babies have a lack of belief

Athiest have an anti belief

which still requires rationality as a basis
 
Deavonreye said:
Is your title a "Pascal's Wager" kind of thing?
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no , free me from theism

provide proof atheism is true

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don't say figure it out on your own

if you say your beliefs are true provide proof or agree theist have the stronger stance
 
WIP said:
I've always thought Atheism was a lack of belief rather than a belief in nothing. If one lacks belief, how can they answer your question?
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I know what you mean, but I still think it is entirely appropriate for the "atheist" to give an account of how they their view of the world - which does not include a
"god" - explains the data of the world.

In short, no one gets a free pass - all worldviews have content and function to explain the world. Therefore, they all need to be "defended".
 
Drew said:
I know what you mean, but I still think it is entirely appropriate for the "atheist" to give an account of how they their view of the world - which does not include a
"god" - explains the data of the world.

In short, no one gets a free pass - all worldviews have content and function to explain the world. Therefore, they all need to be "defended".
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+1000 internets
 
Oats said:
Babies have a lack of belief

Athiest have an anti belief
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Hmmm. Anti-belief (refusal) as opposed to non-belief (ignorance). That's a good point, Oats. I never thought of it that way before.
 
WIP said:
Hmmm. Anti-belief (refusal) as opposed to non-belief (ignorance). That's a good point, Oats. I never thought of it that way before.
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This is probably true. A "refusal to agree" would be more accurate. If evidence is compelling, it should be able to stand on its own. Atheists aren't "rebellious". They just have a world view that is based upon evidence and not "faith".

Being agnostic, I have less trouble with "the supernatural", but I am still a skeptic and can't "just believe" based upon upbringing, parental influences, or the beliefs of a group . . . as I did a few years back when I was a christian.

Anyway, I do hope to hear some good posts from actual atheists on here.
 
Deavonreye said:
This is probably true. A "refusal to agree" would be more accurate. If evidence is compelling, it should be able to stand on its own. Atheists aren't "rebellious". They just have a world view that is based upon evidence and not "faith".

Being agnostic, I have less trouble with "the supernatural", but I am still a skeptic and can't "just believe" based upon upbringing, parental influences, or the beliefs of a group . . . as I did a few years back when I was a christian.

Anyway, I do hope to hear some good posts from actual atheists on here.
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wonder what evidence do they have?

evidence for nothing?
 
False premise -

I've always thought Atheism was a lack of belief rather than a belief in nothing.

Then you thought in error. Atheism is the desperate (and delusional) belief that God doesn't exist - and doesn't require anything of him.
 
Interesting that you use "delusional" with atheists, Bob. What IS a "delusion"? A fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact. A belief held in the face of evidence to the contrary.

Show the "evidence to the contrary" of god that atheists are resistant to.
 
Oats said:
wonder what evidence do they have?

evidence for nothing?
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I'm not sure what you're expecting with your questions, Oats. A person can't test for "nothing". First, there must be something TO be tested for . . . within the bounds of the scientific method, of course.
 
Atheists believe the evidence supports "there is no God."
Theists believe the evidence supports "there is a God." (= faith)
Agnostics don't believe the evidence is conclusive either way.

All three world views are based upon evidence - the difference is in individual conclusions.
 
I don't believe we need evidence to believe. Children believe simply because they are taught to believe or because of Spiritual influence, not evidence. Jesus said, have the faith like that of a child. In other words just believe. No proof, no evidence, no convincing, just plain unconditional belief.
 
WIP said:
I don't believe we need evidence to believe. Children believe simply because they are taught to believe or because of Spiritual influence, not evidence. Jesus said, have the faith like that of a child. In other words just believe. No proof, no evidence, no convincing, just plain unconditional belief.
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Then I might as well believe anything someone tells me

The Bible is itself evidence of God

Jesus said you will know a tree by its fruit

Is not a piece of fruit evidence of a tree?
 
There are "pieces of fruit" [however] that are not "edible" for many. Even so, yes, there is a collection of religious writings that were placed in a canon, . . . but in reality, what you have . . . is a collection of writings, meaning that what you have is evidence that people wrote some things down, . . . and that may be enough for some people.
 
Deavonreye said:
There are "pieces of fruit" [however] that are not "edible" for many. Even so, yes, there is a collection of religious writings that were placed in a canon, . . . but in reality, what you have . . . is a collection of writings, meaning that what you have is evidence that people wrote some things down, . . . and that may be enough for some people.
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think about what you just wrote

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it is what was contained within those writing that is important....

google is you friend, you can find all the evidence for anything you want to believe


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"People wrote some things down"

you may want to edit that
 
Oats said:
think about what you just wrote

it is what was contained within those writing that is important....

google is you friend, you can find all the evidence for anything you want to believe

"People wrote some things down"

you may want to edit that
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Yes, . . . google can be a friend. It can also be an enemy. In some cases, that "enemy" eventually becomes a friend.

I'm not sure why I would want to edit "People wrote some things down"? How is my statement incorrect?
 
Deavonreye said:
Yes, . . . google can be a friend. It can also be an enemy. In some cases, that "enemy" eventually becomes a friend.

I'm not sure why I would want to edit "People wrote some things down"? How is my statement incorrect?
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nothing to add really, just letting deavonreye know I am still praying for his "experience". :)
 
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