You're taking a chance!

[jasoncran]

I understand that your denomination states that. Others would disagree with your denomination and provide scriptural backing.

malachi 3:9,10

will a man rob God? and ye say wherein have we robbed God? in tithes and offerings, prove me now and see if i dont bless your.bring your tithe and offering to the storehouse of God so that the house may have meat to feed the poor.

 

[Jake]

I understand that your denomination states that. Others would disagree with your denomination and provide scriptural backing.

I don't belong to a denomination, I belong to the Body of Christ. No, there is no scriptural backing on tithing 10% in the new covenant. You need to go re read the Bible.

 

[Deavonreye]

I don't belong to a denomination, I belong to the Body of Christ. No, there is no scriptural backing on tithing 10% in the new covenant. You need to go re read the Bible.

Jesus made mention to the Pharisees about not neglecting the tithes.

 

[Jake]

Jesus made mention to the Pharisees about not neglecting the tithes.

That's because they were still under the old law, Jesus was Jewish.

 

[theLords]

You gotta love this forum. If there's one thing CF.net knows how to do (and knows how to do well, might I add) it's go off-topic.

Interesting conversation. I cherish giving 10% of my income to God. Joy of my heart.

Carry on, gentlemen.

 

[Jake]

You gotta love this forum. If there's one thing CF.net knows how to do (and knows how to do well, might I add) it's go off-topic.

Interesting conversation. I cherish giving 10% of my income to God. Joy of my heart.

Carry on, gentlemen.

It is OT, but share with us the scripture in NT that says we must pay 10%, if you don't mind.
peace -

Unless the red means to not discuss this anymore? I'm confused. HA

 

[jasoncran]

That's because they were still under the old law, Jesus was Jewish.

even more off topic, our god is a jewish god. why dont christian admit that i dont know. we use the same names the jews do.

 

[theLords]

It is OT, but share with us the scripture in NT that says we must pay 10%, if you don't mind.
peace -

Unless the red means to not discuss this anymore? I'm confused. HA

Listen, you don't want to give your 10%, don't give your 10%. It's between you and God. The Church of Acts gave 100% to God. There's your Scriptural proof.

(And no, I'm going to allow for the off-topic discussion, but shhhh! Don't let the Coke Pope know (:wink3) I might be excommunicated from the Church of Coca Cola. :rolling *inside joke*)

 

[theLords]

even more off topic, our god is a jewish god. why dont christian admit that i dont know. we use the same names the jews do.

Jehovah Jireh! I'm counting on you, Jehovah Jireh, to make my financial aid come through!

Jehovah Rapha another one of my favorites!

 

[Jake]

Listen, you don't want to give your 10%, don't give your 10%. It's between you and God. The Church of Acts gave 100% to God. There's your Scriptural proof.

(And no, I'm not going to allow for the off-topic debate, but shhhh! Don't let the Coke Pope know (:wink3) I might be excommunicated from the Church of Coca Cola. :rolling *inside joke*)

:yes Yep, it says give all you can and wouldn't it be awesome to get back to that Acts church! Praise God! His Ways are perfect!

And that is all.....I don't want to get into trouble (again).

 

[Jake]

even more off topic, our god is a jewish god. why dont christian admit that i dont know. we use the same names the jews do.

Because He isn't Jewish anymore.
please do not take offense, i don't want to get into trouble (again).

 

[theLords]

:yes Yep, it says give all you can and wouldn't it be awesome to get back to that Acts church! Praise God! His Ways are perfect!

And that is all.....I don't want to get into trouble (again).

I edited that post and removed the "not"

And, yes, I am waiting for the day the "Church of Acts" is restored. I whole heartedly believe it will happen. Despite it happening because of the persecuation of the Church by the antichrist

 

[Jake]

I edited that post and removed the "not"

And, yes, I am waiting for the day the "Church of Acts" is restored. I whole heartedly believe it will happen. Despite it happening because of the persecuation of the Church by the antichrist

Amen! I think more and more people are seeing this theLord, seriously, i am involved in this community project and seeing His Body at work is amazing. They needed $30,000 in lumber to build this homeless shelter, we started praying and within 2 weeks, we got the lumber and that was just the lumber.
If God is involved, it's happening!
peace -

 

[theLords]

Amen! I think more and more people are seeing this theLord, seriously, i am involved in this community project and seeing His Body at work is amazing. They needed $30,000 in lumber to build this homeless shelter, we started praying and within 2 weeks, we got the lumber and that was just the lumber.
If God is involved, it's happening!
peace -

I believe it 100%. The darker the world gest, the more desperate the Church gets, the more the Church throws herself at the mercy and grace of God, the more chances He gets to show His love to her.

I have a similar story regarding a newly built church, zoning problems because of a huge pile of dirt in the parking lot left by construction, and an ominously looming deadline for its removal. The church met and prayed overnight, the next day a mysterious storm got rid of that dirt mountain just in the nick of time.

The Lord moves in mysterious ways.

God bless, brother! I'll remember this 30G lumber story when the hassle of dealing with financial aid to get money for school tries to get at me again.

 

[Jake]

I have a similar story regarding a newly built church, zoning problems because of a huge pile of dirt in the parking lot left by construction, and an ominously looming deadline for its removal. The church met and prayed overnight, the next day a mysterious storm got rid of that dirt mountain just in the nick of time.

The Lord moves in mysterious ways.

God bless, brother! I'll remember this 30G lumber story when the hassle of dealing with financial aid to get money for school tries to get at me again.

or you can just stand on a street corner with a sign. ha
cool story about the church building, God's ways are not our ways, who would have figured that would be the way to get rid of a bunch of dirt.
wonder if simply praying to pass all my classes will work, too (that is w/out studying). HA

 

[Simon]

Hello all, and Oats! (get it? haha)

Nice discussion! I have looked it over and would like to chime in.

''Babies have a lack of belief, Athiest have an anti belief, which still requires rationality as a basis. (atheists have) evidence of nothing'' - Oats

Belief is the psychological state in which an individual holds a proposition or premise to be true. (atheists, theists qualify)
Rationality is the way humans come to conclusions when considering things most intently. (atheists, theists qualify)
evidence is a tool to determine the truth to an assertion. (atheists qualify partially)

In any applicable legal context, the nature of theism vs atheism is such that the onus would definitely rest on you in this case, Oats. Nonetheless...

If you incorporate contemporary principles of law like burden of proof/benefit of assumption, then you must support your argument robustly. In this case science may test your claims, as it does in a court of law when applicable. Why should Theists provide evidence? Because they are claiming the existence of something (deity) which is not plainly shown to humans. The atheist ''claim'' is simply a response to the theist one; It cannot stand alone. Without theism there is no atheism. (that's why there is a prefix attached)

Since belief and reason cannot be tested scientifically, we are left with evidence.
A historical account is not sufficient to support a claim as substantial as the existence of a god. Neither is a broad following. Thus, you cannot support your claim. Alternatively, Theism could argue the 'benefit of assumption'. In this case, atheism will point to numerous deficiencies in the testaments with regards to modern science. In the legal and scientific frameworks, religion is rapidly discredited; it is false.

I suggest in the future you get as far from these frameworks as possible, when discussing your religious beliefs. If anything, they do not fairly attest the moral, spiritual and philosophical riches of Christianity; science and law are indeed useless in the moments where you feel closest to God. So why employ them on theological grounds?

On the other hand, you are entitled to debating your beliefs along scientific and legal lines (we all are). If this is your wish, I recommend you seek out higher education. The study of theology, for example, strives to understand the construct of religion and it's interaction with all levels of mankind. It's one of the richest, most intellectual fields of study in my opinion.

Given our reliance on science and legal systems in the 21st century - we're all ''guilty'' of it - compliance with religion is kind of like walking a tightrope. It is a beautiful challenge, as it requires the meticulous balance of one set of beliefs (in medicine, physics, politics, legal justice, economics) and another set of beliefs.(in the teachings of God). They are often in agreement, but often opposed.
(gay marriage, the afterlife, child-rearing, etc)

In your case, (unlike atheists') the tricky thing is you must have faith in both ''systems'' to an extent. Your title tells me you've lost touch a little of the importance of science and law in your life. If this is the case, the perhaps you're the one who is taking a chance?

Kindly and honestly,
Simon