Bible Study Are the Ten Commandments valid for Christians today?

[Elihoenai]

You must do the Ten Commandments with Total Obedience, otherwise, you will not be Saved or have Eternal Life.


Matthew 19:16-21 King James Version (KJV)

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

 

[rstrats]

Mungo,
re: "Because whilst coming together to worship God is a moral issue, coming together on a particular day (in this case Saturday) to worship God is not a moral issue. It can be, and was, changed to the day Jesus rose from the dead (Sunday).."

Maybe, maybe not. Just so it's understood that scripture is silent with regard to a change from the seventh day to the first.

 

[GodsGrace]

The ministers and pastors and teachers all work for the Lord, and do the work that they have been called to do.

What sense does it make to have them work on the Sabbath, in clear violation of the commandment, that the 7th day folks claim everyone else breaks?

Not to mention the traveling.


And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.
Colossians 2:13-17



One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. Romans 14:5-6

• One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike.

• Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.

JLB

Of course, I've taken the above into consideration.
I had to rethink this a couple of times.
The SDAs idea that we're breaking a commandment also makes some sense. When the pastors have a service, I doubt it's considered work...but they do travel and "work" in other ways which should be against their law of keeping the 7th day.

I believe it was possible to dedicate an entire day to God in the O.T. times because of how the society functioned and they were all in agreement. How could it even function today? So many have to work at their job on Sunday or lose it, to say nothing of Saturday.

Also, I do like to know that we celebrate the resurrection of Jesus.

So, yes, I agree with what you've stated above...
Colossians 2:13-17 is an important verse for me.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

You must do the Ten Commandments with Total Obedience, otherwise, you will not be Saved or have Eternal Life.


Matthew 19:16-21 King James Version (KJV)

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

If what you just said was true and that same fact applied to us today, then do tell me what the cross was for.

 

[Elihoenai]

If what you just said was true and that same fact applied to us today, then do tell me what the cross was for.

Good question. Is the Cross the same as the Passover?

Exodus 12:1-3 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

12 And Jehovah speaketh unto Moses and unto Aaron, in the land of Egypt, saying,

2 `This month [is] to you the chief of months -- it [is] the first to you of the months of the year;

3 speak ye unto all the company of Israel, saying, In the tenth of this month -- they take to them each man a lamb for the house of the fathers, a lamb for a house.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Good question. Is the Cross the same as the Passover?

Exodus 12:1-3 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

12 And Jehovah speaketh unto Moses and unto Aaron, in the land of Egypt, saying,

2 `This month [is] to you the chief of months -- it [is] the first to you of the months of the year;

3 speak ye unto all the company of Israel, saying, In the tenth of this month -- they take to them each man a lamb for the house of the fathers, a lamb for a house.

If that answers my question then I'm sorry but I must have missed it. :/

 

[rstrats]

Me too.

 

[Elihoenai]

If that answers my question then I'm sorry but I must have missed it. :/

If you deeply and sincerely meditate on the Scriptures you will find the answer. We don't spoon feed.


Psalm 1:1-2 King James Version (KJV)

1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

 

[rstrats]

Elihoenai,
re: "We don't spoon feed."

You're going to need to since none of your comments seem to have anything to do with HeIsRisen2018's question.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Elihoenai,
re: "We don't spoon feed."

You're going to need to since none of your comments seem to have anything to do with HeIsRisen2018's question.

Thank you for saying that since in this case it isn't just me and doesn't seem to come from my lack of understanding. That's all I wanted to know.

 

[for_his_glory]

What a great point !

I must say that it has always bothered me a little that we worship on Sunday. 7th Day Adventists worship on Saturday because it's one of the 10 commandments and they say WE Sunday worshippers are breaking a commandment.

But you're right,,,the others are moral in nature...this one is not.

Thanks for your comment.

Sabbath is the seventh day as in the numbering of days according to God makes it a Saturday. It is the day God rested after creating everything including man and woman. God sanctified it meaning He set it apart form all the other days as a day He rested from all His work. From the time of Adam to that of Mt. Sinai it was never commanded as being a holy day or that all mankind was to rest on that day. It was a holy day as God being Holy and rested that day as we are commanded to keep that day as a memorial of all that God created was good.

 

[jasonc]

Sabbath is the seventh day as in the numbering of days according to God makes it a Saturday. It is the day God rested after creating everything including man and woman. God sanctified it meaning He set it apart form all the other days as a day He rested from all His work. From the time of Adam to that of Mt. Sinai it was never commanded as being a holy day or that all mankind was to rest on that day. It was a holy day as God being Holy and rested that day as we are commanded to keep that day as a memorial of all that God created was good.

Where was it mentioned prior to horeb,that the shabat,was in practice ?

Death penatlty for workimg on it.isn't mementioned.the circumcision is before moses,unless its in the midrash.

 

[daninthelionsden]

There are laws (commandments) of God that were especially written just for the Hebrews pertaining to the rituals of the Temple, sacrifices, festivals, Torah, Kohanim and Levites, the King and the Nazarite. Then there are the existing moral laws (commandments) for all of us to still follow as in prayers and blessings, love and brotherhood. The poor and unfortunate, treatment of the Gentiles, Marriage, divorce and family. Forbidden sexual relations, business practices, employees and servants. Vows, oaths, swearing, Court and Judicial procedures. Injuries and damages, property and property rights, criminal laws. Prophecy, idolatry and all its practices as the moral laws (commandments) keep us in line with the will of God.

But even the festivals will apply to us all as written in Zechariah

 

[daninthelionsden]

If you deeply and sincerely meditate on the Scriptures you will find the answer. We don't spoon feed.


Psalm 1:1-2 King James Version (KJV)

1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

You were spoon fed once. You weren't born with your "knowledge" and when our Lord returns everyone will know all.
What you think is your advantage now will disappear in the twinkling of an eye and all you will be left with is how you acted toward others while you thought you were so spiritually knowledgeable.

 

[for_his_glory]

You must do the Ten Commandments with Total Obedience, otherwise, you will not be Saved or have Eternal Life.


Matthew 19:16-21 King James Version (KJV)

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Since this is what you say about obedience that keeping all the ten commandments, which by the way there are 613 commandments, makes you perfect have you sold everything you own and given that money to the poor so you will have treasure in heaven and follow Jesus?

 

[for_his_glory]

Mungo,
re: "Because whilst coming together to worship God is a moral issue, coming together on a particular day (in this case Saturday) to worship God is not a moral issue. It can be, and was, changed to the day Jesus rose from the dead (Sunday).."

Maybe, maybe not. Just so it's understood that scripture is silent with regard to a change from the seventh day to the first.

Scripture is not silent with regard to a change from the seventh day to the first. You can find this in Daniel 7:25 if you understand who it is Daniel is speaking about, but I will not say who it is that changed Saturday Sabbath to Sunday, but they do worship the sun god Ra.

 

[for_his_glory]

If that answers my question then I'm sorry but I must have missed it. :/

Me too

 

[for_his_glory]

If you deeply and sincerely meditate on the Scriptures you will find the answer. We don't spoon feed.


Psalm 1:1-2 King James Version (KJV)

1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

Sorry but in this forum we do spoon feed those who have little comprehension and want to learn.

 

[for_his_glory]

Where was it mentioned prior to horeb,that the shabat,was in practice ?

Death penatlty for workimg on it.isn't mementioned.the circumcision is before moses,unless its in the midrash.

It never was mentioned before until God added it to the laws He gave to Moses on Mt Sinai. The Sabbath was added to the ten commandments by God as a remembrance of all God did in six days (Gods timing) and rested on the seventh, Genesis 2:1-3; Matthew 12:1-13.

I never said anything about a death penalty for working on the sabbath day nor did I say anything about circumcision. It was God that established the numbering of months and days with Moses in Exodus 12 as being the first calendar that was a Lunar Calendar.

 

[for_his_glory]

But even the festivals will apply to us all as written in Zechariah

Not sure if these ten festivals that were especially written and to be kept by the Hebrews and not the Gentiles apply to all of us today as they are not a part of the existing moral laws of the 613 laws all of us are to keep.