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[__ Praise __] Miracles, miracles come and get your miracles
- Thread starter Shekinahglory
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It's easier to blame me than to blame God I guess.
Do you believe God has healed everyone that has "enough faith"?
Faith come by hearing does not apply to cases of hearing God for a healing...it applies to hearing the Word of God so we could achieve a saving faith in God...
I believe all healings are a work of God.
God is not going to heal everyone that asks or most Christians would not be sick.
Jesus said that faith the size of a mustard seed would be enough to move mountains. We cannot "move mountains", so do we not even have faith the size of a mustard seed?
God might have healed me once...is He required to heal me every time I ask?
Luminous_Rose
CF Ambassador
Your question is as good as mine. I don't think many if any people at my church know or remember my medical issues. I have never known them to say I lacked faith. I started hearing this junk when I was on the internet.
What is WofF? Word of Faith? I don't know recognize this.
Yes, WofF is Word of Faith.
It's those churches that believe that God is to respond to our every need and whim and desire. It's not US that serve HIM,,,but it's HE that serves US...a kind of Santa.
And when healings don't happen because it's not in the will of God, the person is told THEY don't have enough faith. Jesus said that God's will would be done in the Garden,,,not His will.
I know many persons with a genuine faith and a love for God that far exceeds what I myself believe to have...and yet they too have gotten sick and eventually we all must die. We don't just drop one day....most times we get sick first.
It's not helpful at all to tell someone they don't have enough faith.
It just makes those that are insecure doubt their own faith and possibly their salvation. We need encouragement, not doubt.
It applies to all faith for whatever.
Faith comes by hearing God.
Faith for healing, provision, deliverance, justification, anything we ask for that is within the will of God.
Sometimes we don’t get things we need because we don’t ask.
JLB
I agree.
If we have faith as a grain of mustard seed, we can say to the mountain, be removed and be cast into the sea and it will be done.
The reason we have faith to do this is because God has spoken to us to remove the mountain.
That’s why we can say to the mountain...
Sometimes God moves upon us to say to the mountain but we don’t say what God says.
We are waiting on Him to do it.
JLB
Luminous_Rose
CF Ambassador
I see. There are two f's...is that for fundamental then?
daninthelionsden
Member
I've witnessed 3 healings in my life so far. The first one was at a Catholic church in Corpus Christi and it was me who was healed. I went to go see Joe Donato. He was a guest speaker and was going to have a healing service immediately afterward. I was mostly attending due to fascination and as an observer. When the healing service began, Joe looked right at me and said someone there had a stomach problem, which I did, and said the Lord had already begun healing. My stomach was tingling inside as I frantically looked around to see who was being healed. Joe said the Lord was only partially healing and wanted the person to come down and accept their healing in public as a witness. He still was staring straight at me. I wished he would stop and that someone else would raise their hand and go down there. I didn't go there for that. I only wanted to observe. I was healed right then and there. No faith. No hands laid on me.
God heals whom He will. Let no man set himself between God and whom He chooses for whatever purpose.
God heals whom He will. Let no man set himself between God and whom He chooses for whatever purpose.
Yes, I'd have to agree with you.
I feel that JLB is setting conditions on God and/or the person to be healed.
You attended a Healing Mass. I also went to one AFTER I had converted to Protestantism because I had heard so much about them...basically as an observer - just like you.
It was one of the most beautiful services I've ever attended. My daughter and I both went up to the altar with others and it's too long to say what happened....let's just say that the priest seemed to know something about us and the Holy Spirit fell upon us and it's something we'll both never forget. (my daughter was already born again at the age of 14 -- about the same time).
I've also witnessed other things which I won't get into.
Good things.
Yes, JLB, I'm waiting on God to do it.
I'm waiting on Him to heal my husband of Parkinson's.
That's been 12 years now...am I to keep waiting...
or should I accept that this is what God intends for us?
God does not cause evil, meaning sickness, etc.
But He does ALLOW it, right?
Nothing happens out of God's will....
Jesus accepted the will of the Father, as must we.
Do you believe everyone gets healed who asks for it and does just what God asks and maybe says just the right words?
Sooner or later we get sick.
Sooner or later we die.
THIS is the world system God set up.
We live in the territory of the enemy and the sooner we learn to trust God and accept HIS will, the better off we are.
I don't mean to belittle what YOU believe, and you shouldn't belittle what the majority of Christians believe. It's just not helpful for them and I know you mean well.
Luminous_Rose
CF Ambassador
Okay, just wondering because I saw WofF, not WoF.
Christ_empowered
Member
this is such a hard one, for all Christians.
why are some healed in this lifetime and others...aren't?
yet another personal example (mostly because I don't talk to a lot of other Christians, so my experience is what I have to go on...)...
I"m physically healthy now, bright eyed, surprisingly smart, I even have a normal personality, social skills, etc. problem? Well...I can't support myself, largely because of what society and the shrinks call "Schizoaffective Disorder." weird...because I used to be so obviously brain damaged and all, now I'm not so obviously brain damaged, I speak and write well, etc....
but, yeah: Schizoaffective.
and...a close Christian friend of mine was spared death a couple times (long time Christian). A money hungry specialist saw her excellent medical coverage and pushed a treatment on her (1 time injection or infusion), even though she fell firmly in the category of people who -should not- be given this treatment...
and for a while, she was under the care of -7- doctors. now, she's down to 2 or 3 specialists and a skilled general practitioner, plus on a couple daily Rx to stay out of dialysis. that doesn't include periodic antibiotics for problems that arise because of the mix of pre-existing stuff (in her medical history) and the unfortunate infusion.
so, spared death...again, awesome. not so much spared needless suffering. and...
another Christian I know of was healed of stage II or III lung cancer, before his scheduled operation. yay! 30 years later...
late stage Parkinsons. :-(
why are some healed in this lifetime and others...aren't?
yet another personal example (mostly because I don't talk to a lot of other Christians, so my experience is what I have to go on...)...
I"m physically healthy now, bright eyed, surprisingly smart, I even have a normal personality, social skills, etc. problem? Well...I can't support myself, largely because of what society and the shrinks call "Schizoaffective Disorder." weird...because I used to be so obviously brain damaged and all, now I'm not so obviously brain damaged, I speak and write well, etc....
but, yeah: Schizoaffective.
and...a close Christian friend of mine was spared death a couple times (long time Christian). A money hungry specialist saw her excellent medical coverage and pushed a treatment on her (1 time injection or infusion), even though she fell firmly in the category of people who -should not- be given this treatment...
and for a while, she was under the care of -7- doctors. now, she's down to 2 or 3 specialists and a skilled general practitioner, plus on a couple daily Rx to stay out of dialysis. that doesn't include periodic antibiotics for problems that arise because of the mix of pre-existing stuff (in her medical history) and the unfortunate infusion.
so, spared death...again, awesome. not so much spared needless suffering. and...
another Christian I know of was healed of stage II or III lung cancer, before his scheduled operation. yay! 30 years later...
late stage Parkinsons. :-(
You're right!
The above is how it is CE.
It's not something that is easily understood.
I don't disagree with JLB and his beliefs.
Jesus Himself said to keep asking as in the parable
of the persistent widow...Luke 18:1....
So why doesn't it always work?
The Apostles healed some persons.
This became less and less prevalent as time went on and the Apostles died.
Some today believe healing is not even for our age....this cannot be true as I also have heard of at least 67 healings that I'm sure of. (at Lourdes). Also, many of us have experienced healings first-hand.
So even though we must believe that God is able to do as He said....we also must accept that it will not always happen.
God gives us a measure of faith...how could it then be said it's due to little faith if it's God that gives us faith and faith is a gift from Him? Rhetorical question....no answer required.
daninthelionsden
Member
Every time I feel I've run into a brick wall concerning health or situations or relationships, I simply cry out what it is I need to learn from this? I plead which button is He trying to push? What part of me needs to become malleable clay for You to work with. Please let me be shaped as You wish on Your potter's wheel. Please show me Lord. Please release me from this. I don't understand.
I was going to bring this example of faith that is persistent, up in my next post, but got sidetracked.
You beat me to it.
Speaking His promises of healing over the person who needs healing is also a way that some see good results.
And since we have the same spirit of faith, according to what is written, “I believed and therefore I spoke,” we also believe and therefore speak, 2 Corinthians 4:13
JLB
They had practically no medicine in those days so miraculus healing was important both to save lives and as a witness.
Today we can heal illnesses that killed most people.
What sort of witness does the healing circuses give?
Be it unto you according to your faith.
When Jesus departed from there, two blind men followed Him, crying out and saying, “Son of David, have mercy on us!”
And when He had come into the house, the blind men came to Him. And Jesus said to them, “Do you believe that I am able to do this?”
They said to Him, “Yes, Lord.”
Then He touched their eyes, saying, “According to your faith let it be to you.” And their eyes were opened. Matthew 9:27-30
If we go to Him believing, and believing He is a rewarded of those who diligently seek Him, I believe He will heal everytime, not just once.
But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. Hebrews 11:6
JLB
I think it depends on how much of a circus is going on.
Benny Hinn, for instance, is all circus.
OTOH, I've been to Catholic healing masses that were very dignified and seemed to be honest...in fact, I could attest to the fact that indeed they were honest due to personal experience.
Outsiders must look upon this as voodoo and the such.
I could just hear Lawrence Krauss now....
He's not as dignified as Richard Dawkins is.
What say you?