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The following are apostates. An apostate is one who has received the light but not life. He knows something of the word of God, but nothing about the God of the word. He then refuses to give even mental assent to the great truths of the Bible.

Mat 7:15 ¶ Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Mat 7:21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

2Cr 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

2Cr 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

1Ti 4:1 ¶ Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2Pe 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

2Pe 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

2Pe 2:4 ¶ For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

2Pe 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth [person], a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

2Pe 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned [them] with an overthrow, making [them] an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

2Pe 2:7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

2Pe 2:8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed [his] righteous soul from day to day with [their] unlawful deeds;)

2Pe 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

2Pe 2:10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous [are they], selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

2Pe 2:11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.

2Pe 2:12 ¶ But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

2Pe 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, [as] they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots [they are] and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;

2Pe 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

2Pe 2:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam [the son] of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

2Pe 2:16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.

2Pe 2:17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.

2Pe 2:18 ¶ For when they speak great swelling [words] of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, [through much] wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

2Pe 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

2Pe 3:16 As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

2Pe 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know [these things] before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

1Jo 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would [no doubt] have continued with us: but [they went out], that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

2Jo 1:7 ¶ For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Jud 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

Jud 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

Jud 1:12 ¶ These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds [they are] without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

Jud 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

Jud 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

Jud 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Jud 1:16 ¶ These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling [words], having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

Rev 22:18 ¶ For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.

The description of the apostate minister is as follows

a. He is a grevious and ravening wolf dressed in sheeps clothing.

Mat 7:15 ¶ Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

b. He hates real sheep (christians)

Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock

c. He will decieve many through great signs and wonders.

Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

d. He is a perverse empire builder.


Act 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

e. He is divisive and materialistic.

Rom 16:17 ¶ Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

Rom 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

f. He gives impressive speeches using flowery langauge

Rom 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

g. He decieves by allowing Satan to disguise himself as an angel of light, rather than a demon of darkness.

2Cr 11:13 For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

2Cr 11:15 Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

h. His nature and message are demon controlled

1Ti 4:1 ¶ Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

i. He perverts the doctrine of the Son of God.

2Pe 2:1 ¶ But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2Pe 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

2Jo 1:7 ¶ For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

j. He perverts the doctrine of the word of God.

2Pe 3:16 As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction

Rev 22:18 ¶ For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.

k. He perverts the doctrine of the Grace of God.


Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

l. He can be (eventually) identified by his fruits.

Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them

Jam 3:11 Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?

Jam 3:12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.

1Jo 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

I'm not about to say or judge that any one in this forum is apostate, but much of what many people are saying and bringing to the debates shows that they have been taught by apostate teachers. We are not deceived.
 
Hi! Here is a whole list!
--Elijah here with the Godheads Truth: Eccl. 3:14-15 finds that Christ in Salvational Truth does not EVER CHANGE! Heb. 13:8-9!

[14] I know that, whatsoever God doeth,(or Sayeth!) it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.

[15] That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

OK: False [satanic teachers] can be weeded out with their professed New Stuff such as OSAS, + NO LOVING WORKS, SAVED IN SIN NOT FROM SIN, + sun worship, + No Eternal Law, + an ETERNAL BURNING HELL WITH IMMORTAL MAGGOTS all having Eternal Immortal life, & FLAGRANT OPEN LOST SINNERS WITH THEIR BODIES EVEN + All the while teaching in bottom/line that God did INDEED Lie! Gen. 3:3

And that is all something NEW from satans fall on, huh! Hardly! God stated flat/out that satan was a Liar from the beginning!

Forum: You go back into the Heavenly Zion's ETERENTY & find where the Godhead [[EVER]] gave satan on.. a OSAS WORKLESS DIS/OBEDIENT FREE/PASS!


--Elijah
 
1 Tim. 1

[16] Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
[17] Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.


1 Tim. 6

[14] That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[15] Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
[16] Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.


Gen. 3

[22] And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

[23] Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
[24] So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Rev. 21

[22] And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
[23] And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
[24] And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
[25] And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
[26] And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
[27] And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Rev.22
[1] And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

[2] In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

OK: Once again! You teach us in bottom/line.. That God LIED & that the serpent told the truth!

Gen.3
[1] Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
[2] And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
[3] But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
[4] And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

AND??? We are taught that when one dies they are in either heaven or hell. And that [both] now have non/conditional immortality [as only the Godhead has stated that they have!]
Think about it! The whole body in hell infested with maggots living in a hell that burns ETERNALLY that even required God to permit these ones out every now & then to eat of the tree of life so that they can burn Eternally! And this is your bottom/line teaching!

And the Eternal Word says..
Mal.4
[1] For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

[2] But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
[3] And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

And Obadiah 1
[16] For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been.

Sure, the ones of Luke 12:47-48 had their first Born Again Love at one time, (see Rev. 3:16-17) And they had had the Positives of Heb. 6:1-5.. they were 'Made Partakers of the Holy Ghost' and then slowly (Psalms 19:13) they became set in satan's spiritual concrete of Heb. 6:6 little by little of rejecting the Eternal Covenant Conditions of testing as seen at the start of Adam & Eve PERFECTION. (Rom. 8:1 & ibid 14 Leading!) Until the Holy Spirit could NO LONGER MOVE THEM! (Gen. 6:3) And these ones will be more accountable than even Sodom & Gomorrah as seen in Matt. 10:15. Yet, even these ones will soon be [AS THEY HAD NEVER BEEN!] Think on that while in bed tonight before falling asleep! Never ever, ever living again!! Just GONE FOR ALL OF ETERNITY! And all because of your very own free [DECISION!]

--Elijah
 
Elijah674 said:
Hi! Here is a whole list!
--Elijah here with the Godheads Truth: Eccl. 3:14-15 finds that Christ in Salvational Truth does not EVER CHANGE! Heb. 13:8-9!

[14] I know that, whatsoever God doeth,(or Sayeth!) it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.

[15] That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

OK: False [satanic teachers] can be weeded out with their professed New Stuff such as OSAS, + NO LOVING WORKS, SAVED IN SIN NOT FROM SIN, + sun worship, + No Eternal Law, + an ETERNAL BURNING HELL WITH IMMORTAL MAGGOTS all having Eternal Immortal life, & FLAGRANT OPEN LOST SINNERS WITH THEIR BODIES EVEN + All the while teaching in bottom/line that God did INDEED Lie! Gen. 3:3

And that is all something NEW from satans fall on, huh! Hardly! God stated flat/out that satan was a Liar from the beginning!

Forum: You go back into the Heavenly Zion's ETERENTY & find where the Godhead [[EVER]] gave satan on.. a OSAS WORKLESS DIS/OBEDIENT FREE/PASS!


--Elijah

Having assurance of one's salvation is having faith in our Savior's work on the cross. Those who question His power to keep His own preach another Gospel. Those who preach a child of God's can lose his salvation is preaching the message of the adversary. False prophets at their finest. :shame
 
glorydaz said:
Elijah674 said:
Hi! Here is a whole list!
--Elijah here with the Godheads Truth: Eccl. 3:14-15 finds that Christ in Salvational Truth does not EVER CHANGE! Heb. 13:8-9!

[14] I know that, whatsoever God doeth,(or Sayeth!) it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.

[15] That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

OK: False [satanic teachers] can be weeded out with their professed New Stuff such as OSAS, + NO LOVING WORKS, SAVED IN SIN NOT FROM SIN, + sun worship, + No Eternal Law, + an ETERNAL BURNING HELL WITH IMMORTAL MAGGOTS all having Eternal Immortal life, & FLAGRANT OPEN LOST SINNERS WITH THEIR BODIES EVEN + All the while teaching in bottom/line that God did INDEED Lie! Gen. 3:3

And that is all something NEW from satans fall on, huh! Hardly! God stated flat/out that satan was a Liar from the beginning!

Forum: You go back into the Heavenly Zion's ETERENTY & find where the Godhead [[EVER]] gave satan on.. a OSAS WORKLESS DIS/OBEDIENT FREE/PASS!


--Elijah

Having assurance of one's salvation is having faith in our Savior's work on the cross. Those who question His power to keep His own preach another Gospel. Those who preach a child of God's can lose his salvation is preaching the message of the adversary. False prophets at their finest. :shame


Having assurance in God is not the problem with satanic teachings. Even the devil has this assurence and trembles. he (satan) knows what his fate is to be, and Gods creation does not know except by faith that was a Eternall CONDITIONAL PROMISE from their start (MANKINDS) on. There is NO SAVATIONAL PROMISE that can bypass the Lord's Eternal Covenant! Heb. 13:20. The Tree TESTING was placed in the midst of the garden for perfect Adam & Eve to now [MATURE TO BE FREE/WILL SAFE TO SAVE THROUGH/OUT ETERNITY!] As we see ourselves in Rom. 8:1 CONDITIONAL IF Rom. 8:14 LED, if we will be! And CLAIMING PROMISES without the CONDITION is [PRESUMPTOUS] at best! See Psalms 19:13 for where this will END UP! (The GREAT TRANSGRESSION)

--Elijah
 
How about spelling this out a bit clearer, it seem more based on how you see thing and not what scripture is saying. Post the verse, explain who you see what the verse is saying?
Elijah674 said:
glorydaz said:
Elijah674 said:
Hi! Here is a whole list!
--Elijah here with the Godheads Truth: Eccl. 3:14-15 finds that Christ in Salvational Truth does not EVER CHANGE! Heb. 13:8-9!

[14] I know that, whatsoever God doeth,(or Sayeth!) it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.

[15] That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

OK: False [satanic teachers] can be weeded out with their professed New Stuff such as OSAS, + NO LOVING WORKS, SAVED IN SIN NOT FROM SIN, + sun worship, + No Eternal Law, + an ETERNAL BURNING HELL WITH IMMORTAL MAGGOTS all having Eternal Immortal life, & FLAGRANT OPEN LOST SINNERS WITH THEIR BODIES EVEN + All the while teaching in bottom/line that God did INDEED Lie! Gen. 3:3

And that is all something NEW from satans fall on, huh! Hardly! God stated flat/out that satan was a Liar from the beginning!

Forum: You go back into the Heavenly Zion's ETERENTY & find where the Godhead [[EVER]] gave satan on.. a OSAS WORKLESS DIS/OBEDIENT FREE/PASS!


--Elijah

Having assurance of one's salvation is having faith in our Savior's work on the cross. Those who question His power to keep His own preach another Gospel. Those who preach a child of God's can lose his salvation is preaching the message of the adversary. False prophets at their finest. :shame


Having assurance in God is not the problem with satanic teachings. Even the devil has this assurence and trembles. he (satan) knows what his fate is to be, and Gods creation does not know except by faith that was a Eternall CONDITIONAL PROMISE from their start (MANKINDS) on. There is NO SAVATIONAL PROMISE that can bypass the Lord's Eternal Covenant! Heb. 13:20. The Tree TESTING was placed in the midst of the garden for perfect Adam & Eve to now [MATURE TO BE FREE/WILL SAFE TO SAVE THROUGH/OUT ETERNITY!] As we see ourselves in Rom. 8:1 CONDITIONAL IF Rom. 8:14 LED, if we will be! And CLAIMING PROMISES without the CONDITION is [PRESUMPTOUS] at best! See Psalms 19:13 for where this will END UP! (The GREAT TRANSGRESSION)

--Elijah
 
Elijah674 said:
Glorydaz said:
Having assurance of one's salvation is having faith in our Savior's work on the cross. Those who question His power to keep His own preach another Gospel. Those who preach a child of God's can lose his salvation is preaching the message of the adversary. False prophets at their finest. :shame


Having assurance in God is not the problem with satanic teachings. Even the devil has this assurence and trembles. he (satan) knows what his fate is to be, and Gods creation does not know except by faith that was a Eternall CONDITIONAL PROMISE from their start (MANKINDS) on. There is NO SAVATIONAL PROMISE that can bypass the Lord's Eternal Covenant! Heb. 13:20. The Tree TESTING was placed in the midst of the garden for perfect Adam & Eve to now [MATURE TO BE FREE/WILL SAFE TO SAVE THROUGH/OUT ETERNITY!] As we see ourselves in Rom. 8:1 CONDITIONAL IF Rom. 8:14 LED, if we will be! And CLAIMING PROMISES without the CONDITION is [PRESUMPTOUS] at best! See Psalms 19:13 for where this will END UP! (The GREAT TRANSGRESSION)

--Elijah
This is a prayer asking the Lord to keep us from presumptuous sins....Assurance is the faith that He does indeed KEEP us...not only from presumptuous sins, but from falling away.
Psalm 19:13 said:
Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.
The CONDITION of the promises is that they be entered into by the blood of Jesus Christ.
We are kept by the power of God.
1 Peter 1:4-5 said:
To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
We are born again.
1 Peter 1:23 said:
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Christ's seed in us means we cannot sin....
1 John 3:9 said:
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
We are filled with the righteousness of the law through faith in Christ.
Romans 8:4 said:
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
 
Luke 5

[21 '... ]Who can forgive sins, but God alone?
[22] But when Jesus perceived their thoughts, he answering said unto them, What reason ye in your hearts?
[23] Whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Rise up and walk?
[24] But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power upon earth to forgive sins, (he said unto the sick of the palsy,) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy couch, and go into thine house.
[25] And immediately he rose up before them, and took up that whereon he lay, and departed to his own house, glorifying God.
[26] And they were all amazed, and they glorified God, and were filled with fear, saying, We have seen strange things to day.

And If you are already FORGIVEN (except by faith) for the End/time of your life, or when Christ FINISHE'S His High Priest work, (Dan. 12:2) why are we not as ths man then? Physically.
And NO, it is not over yet! --Elijah
 
Hi me again: Another question for you ones. God cannot lie. And the Old Testiment Church Sanctuary was patterened after Heaven's Zion one. Also Christ does NOT CHANGE we are told. He COMMANDED an Alter Sin offering to start the His Way of Psalms 77:13! From the Alter we see Washings, Bread Eating +!
OK: now, why did these OSAS ones not just go back home in faith with ONLY BELIV'ISM? See Matt. 4:4 + 2 Tim. 3:16 (in fact, they were told TWICE at the Lavor of washing to do so that ... 'THAT THEY DIE NOT'!
--Elijah
 
Elijah674 said:
Hi me again: Another question for you ones. God cannot lie. And the Old Testiment Church Sanctuary was patterened after Heaven's Zion one. Also Christ does NOT CHANGE we are told. He COMMANDED an Alter Sin offering to start the His Way of Psalms 77:13! From the Alter we see Washings, Bread Eating +!
OK: now, why did these OSAS ones not just go back home in faith with ONLY BELIV'ISM? See Matt. 4:4 + 2 Tim. 3:16 (in fact, they were told TWICE at the Lavor of washing to do so that ... 'THAT THEY DIE NOT'!
--Elijah

We have been washed in the blood of the Lamb.
There is no need for further washings....Jesus is the bread of life.
Heb. 7:24-27 said:
But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
Heb. 10:16-23 said:
This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; And having an high priest over the house of God; Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)
 
Sin that gets neither addressed as sin and that does not kill is essentially nothing new. The first time that philosophy was ever uttered was in Genesis 3:4  And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

and then he went straight into twisting of what God said by giving us his interpretation of it. So he was the first false teacher and has many following in his footsteps. Nowadays it's not only "you shall not die" but "you cannot die", what is the endtimes twist on the original idea.
 
--Elijah[/quote]

We have been washed in the blood of the Lamb.
There is no need for further washings....Jesus is the bread of life.
Heb. 7:24-27 said:
But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

Heb. 10:16-23 said:
This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; And having an high priest over the house of God; Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)
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So were they SAVED by the SAME FAITH ALONE! (Heb. 12:13) That is why you are not made BODILY WHOLE Yet! It IS NOT FINISHED until Christ has Finished His High Priest work as seen in Dan. 12:2

--Elijah
 
Geo said:
Sin that gets neither addressed as sin and that does not kill is essentially nothing new. The first time that philosophy was ever uttered was in Genesis 3:4  And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

and then he went straight into twisting of what God said by giving us his interpretation of it. So he was the first false teacher and has many following in his footsteps. Nowadays it's not only "you shall not die" but "you cannot die", what is the endtimes twist on the original idea.

You seem to be saying the Bible isn't telling the truth.
We can either believe scripture or we can make up our own rules because they seem right.

Satan will be the one saying, "The blood is not sufficient." or "Jesus is not able to keep those the Father has given Him." Who is the sower of doubt? Who says, "You must work our your own salvation"?

I'll stand firmly on the promises of God and not be swayed by the doubts planted in the minds of men.
 
That is twisting up what is being said, into a lie! The problem is not God but is one of OBEDIENCE to God. In fact what is being twisted up is voiding out the New Coventant side in 2 Cor. 4:2
--Elijah
 
Elijah674 said:
Glorydaz said:
We have been washed in the blood of the Lamb.
There is no need for further washings....Jesus is the bread of life.
Heb. 7:24-27 said:
But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

[quote="Heb. 10:16-23":1vjss380]This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; And having an high priest over the house of God; Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)


So were they SAVED by the SAME FAITH ALONE! (Heb. 12:13) That is why you are not made BODILY WHOLE Yet! It IS NOT FINISHED until Christ has Finished His High Priest work as seen in Dan. 12:2

--Elijah[/quote:1vjss380]

And everyone should strive to enter into the kingdom. Those who are born again have eternal life already. We are already seated with Christ in heavenly places. As Jesus said on the cross..."It is finished". The children of God are more than conquerors, and nothing can separate us from the love of God. We are redeemed and only wait for the redemption of our bodies. Our confidence is in the Lord...not our own ability to keep ourselves.
John 6:39 said:
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Romans 8 said:
14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. 18For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. 20For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, 21Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. 24For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? 25But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it. 26Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit
itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. 28And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. 29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. 31What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? 33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. 34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. 35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. 37Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through
him that loved us. 38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
Elijah674 said:
That is twisting up what is being said, into a lie! The problem is not God but is one of OBEDIENCE to God. In fact what is being twisted up is voiding out the New Coventant side in 2 Cor. 4:2
--Elijah
Let's just look at that a little closer, shall we? We have received mercy...we faint not. We have confidence in the work of the cross.
2 Corinthians 4 said:
1Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; 2But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. 3But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
We have the glory of God residing in us...His power...not our own.
5For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. 6For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. 7But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
We are persecuted for His name's sake...yet not distressed or in despair. Not forsaken...not destroyed. We believe therefore we speak..knowing we shall be raised up with Christ....having His Spirit in us.
8We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair; 9Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed; 10Always bearing about in the body the
dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body. 11For we which live are always delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh. 12So then death worketh in us, but life in you. 13We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak; 14Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you.
Through abundant grace, we faint not....our inner man is renewed day by day as we look on eternal things...not temporal. That is the blessed assurance we have as children of God.
15For all things are for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God. 16For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day. 17For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory; 18While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
 
glorydaz said:
Geo said:
Sin that gets neither addressed as sin and that does not kill is essentially nothing new. The first time that philosophy was ever uttered was in Genesis 3:4  And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

and then he went straight into twisting of what God said by giving us his interpretation of it. So he was the first false teacher and has many following in his footsteps. Nowadays it's not only "you shall not die" but "you cannot die", what is the endtimes twist on the original idea.

You seem to be saying the Bible isn't telling the truth.
We can either believe scripture or we can make up our own rules because they seem right.

Satan will be the one saying, "The blood is not sufficient." or "Jesus is not able to keep those the Father has given Him." Who is the sower of doubt? Who says, "You must work our your own salvation"?

I'll stand firmly on the promises of God and not be swayed by the doubts planted in the minds of men.


The Bible is telling the truth. That's why we have no ground to be confused about the nature of sin, that hasn't changed ever. Neither has Satan that still loves all those that tolerate sin and do not obey God.

Romans 8 is helpful when read very slowly. It shows how to actually walk in salvation and in grace.

See also everyone's related posts in viewtopic.php?f=14&t=44116&start=15
 
Geo said:
glorydaz said:
Geo said:
Sin that gets neither addressed as sin and that does not kill is essentially nothing new. The first time that philosophy was ever uttered was in Genesis 3:4  And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

and then he went straight into twisting of what God said by giving us his interpretation of it. So he was the first false teacher and has many following in his footsteps. Nowadays it's not only "you shall not die" but "you cannot die", what is the endtimes twist on the original idea.

You seem to be saying the Bible isn't telling the truth.
We can either believe scripture or we can make up our own rules because they seem right.

Satan will be the one saying, "The blood is not sufficient." or "Jesus is not able to keep those the Father has given Him." Who is the sower of doubt? Who says, "You must work our your own salvation"?

I'll stand firmly on the promises of God and not be swayed by the doubts planted in the minds of men.


The Bible is telling the truth. That's why we have no ground to be confused about the nature of sin, that hasn't changed ever. Neither has Satan that still loves all those that tolerate sin and do not obey God.

Romans 8 is helpful when read very slowly. It shows how to actually walk in salvation and in grace.

See also everyone's related posts in viewtopic.php?f=14&t=44116&start=15
I don't need to read it slowly. I've read it over and over again for many many years. I understand all about sin, and I also know that sin has no dominion over those who have circumcised hearts and have been born again.
 
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