Have we overstepped our Boundaries?

[4afaithfulone]

I realize that my posts are not about sweet sticky things and may ruffle feathers, but it is out of love for souls that I am writing them. For the Fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom. If we do not keep our spiritual swords sharp we will be deceived, so don’t let anyone deceive you with only smooth sayings.
God never changes!

Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
KJV

Now to my topic,
Have we over stepped our boundaries? In the beginning when God created man he gave him dominion over all the fish, cattle and the creeping thing and all the earth, (yet you will notice it never says to lord over each other).

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
KJV

But the purpose of my post is to bring to light man’s forgetfulness of God’s Word, how He gave dominion over the earth to His man. Have we over stepped our boundaries set by God because we are still eating from that forbidden tree to know good and evil to BE LIKE GOD?
We have learned how to clone God’s man and have manipulated the foods we grow. But have we now decided that we will go into the heavens and find us our own planet to live? This does not escape God’s eyes for He has already told us that this would happen, and what He is going to do about it!

Let us not forget that there is a false Messiah in the end times that causes the church to go astray to fall away to follow the united nations who seem to be teaching a false type of love by accepting all sorts of acts that clearly God says is Sinful behavior being the "Have it your way" lifestyle of, live and let live with no moral boundaries which seems to be a loving attitude, but there lies the deception and underneath destroys family's, children, marriages, and the way of life that God told us is good for us to live.
Also we are witnessing many who claim to be faithful to Christ accepting false gods, rather they realize it or not as such, as they come together to pray, each to their own god. I call them all gods because if one really worships the God of the Bible, they will know that there is no other God but Him, and one who is walking in Faith, does not acknowledge nor worship together with unbelievers of false gods.

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
KJV

Blessings

 

[Gary]

Now to my topic,
Have we over stepped our boundaries? In the beginning when God created man he gave him dominion over all the fish, cattle and the creeping thing and all the earth, (yet you will notice it never says to lord over each other).

That's probably because there were no others when He created the 1st man.

Concerning those lording over others, the Lord gives us this.


Romans 13
13 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.

1 Peter 2
13 Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake, whether to the king as supreme,
14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
15 For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men—
16 as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.
17 Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.


Titus 3
3 Remind them to be subject to rulers and authorities, to obey, to be ready for every good work,
2 to speak evil of no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing all humility to all men.

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[4afaithfulone]

That's probably because there were no others when He created the 1st man.

Actually Gary, if you want to be technical, there were no animals either when Adam was created for him to have dominion over, they did not come until the LORD wanted Adam to find a helpmeet. But!! unlike we are seeing today with animals being accepted over human beings for their family members, Adam could not find a suitable mate, so God divide Adam to make Eve, and the two were considered one flesh.

Gen 2:18-20
18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
KJV

You are confusing those created on the sixth day after the flood of the old world, who no longer knew Him as LORD personally because man was still in their fallen state, but only as God of all the earth when it says "And God said" "And God said". Not every one can call Him LORD and mean it. Noah was the only one whom found favor with God Notice if you read the account in Genesis, man was created After all the other things Unlike Adam in Gen. 2 in the generations of the heavens and the earth. And both man and woman at in the God account, at the same time.
2 Peter 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
KJV
Does this sound familiar:
Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
KJV

Concerning those lording over others, the Lord gives us this.


Romans 13
13 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.

1 Peter 2
13 Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake, whether to the king as supreme,
14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
15 For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men—
16 as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.
17 Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.


Titus 3
3 Remind them to be subject to rulers and authorities, to obey, to be ready for every good work,
2 to speak evil of no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing all humility to all men.

You are so right Gary,
Do you know why He did this? To keep the ungodly rowdies from the Peaceable people. Absolutely you better obey authority. But you will also be aware that He said that those who are His keep far from ungodly acts that cause them to be put in the hands of His MINISTERS of the physical sword who are set up for those who are lawless.
Ever seen prison? It is hell on earth isn't it? Now picture if there were no guards... it would be dog eat dog with no one to call upon.
We have nothing to fear God's says when you do what is right. Israel made the mistake of wanting a human over them instead of God, so that they could bride, manipulate, and pull the wool over man's eyes to get away with their evil deeds, but guess what? God still sees them even if they have no faith, and judgment still comes.
Spare the rod and spoil the child God says. But there are two rods if you rightly divide the Word. One is the spiritual Rod of God's Word aka Christ and if you are a wise one, you will do well to allow this Rod of the Shepherd to keep you in line of the straight and narrow path that leads to a good life, because few there are that find it. But if you refuse to accept Christ the Rod of God as the unwise do, then you will have opportunity to meet up with the physical rod in the hands of man. in the long arm of the LAW.....You may call it soap box, but I call it the LOVE of God, for your souls health. for:
Ps 104:4 Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:
KJV

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[Gary]

Actually Gary, if you want to be technical, there were no animals either when Adam was created for him to have dominion over, they did not come until the LORD wanted Adam to find a helpmeet. But!! unlike we are seeing today with animals being accepted over human beings for their family members, Adam could not find a suitable mate, so God divide Adam to make Eve, and the two were considered one flesh.

Are you sure about that?


Genesis 1
20 Then God said, “Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens.”
21 So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.”
23 So the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

24 Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind”; and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food.
30 Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food”; and it was so.
31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day.



Verses 21 & 25 come before verse 27.

Man was created after the animals.

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[4afaithfulone]

No I am not sure.... I am POSITIVE! My persistant one!
Remember, I told you that the Genesis1:2 account, is after the fall of Adam? Notice He was only known as God in that re-creation of the earth, Not LORD God as Adam knew Him as, where they were told to REPLENISH the earth as in Fill it back up? This was after the old world was destroyed by the flood. Please re-read what I wrote if you are serious about knowing truth.
Here is the First Adam:
Gen 2:4-9
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
5 And every plant of the field BEFORE it was in the earth, and every herb of the field Before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
8 And {THEN}the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
9 And {THEN}out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
KJV
Gen 2:18 And{THEN} the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
19 And {THEN}out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
21 And {THEN}the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
KJV
2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5 And spared not THE OLD WORLD, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
KJV

 

[jasonc]

ov vey a gap theorist.

that explains it. even the orthodox jews with their Zohar by large don't teach that stuff.

 

[4afaithfulone]

Are you sure about that?


Genesis 1
20 Then God said, “Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens.”
21 So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.”
23 So the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

24 Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind”; and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food.
30 Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food”; and it was so.
31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Gary,
I have highlighted "God" in Red for you so that you can see the difference between 'the LORD God" that Adam knew Him as in Genesis 2, before he spiritually died after Eve was created. And those of the new world created in Genesis 1:2. The reason that it shows the animals before the creation of the two in Gen.1:27 is because they where created in the old world so they did not have to name them because the first Adam had already DONE THAT!

Verses 21 & 25 come before verse 27.

Man was created after the animals.

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[4afaithfulone]

ov vey a gap theorist.

that explains it. even the orthodox jews with their Zohar by large don't teach that stuff.

Now, why would you want to go and give me credit for what the Bible says? I showed you the scriptures, these are not my words!

 

[jasonc]

Now, why would you want to go and give me credit for what the Bible says? I showed you the scriptures, these are not my words!

uhm where is the pause in the bible and where does it say there was death before adam? adam fall brought death in this world. for six day god created the heavens and the earth. that includes the sun and the stars which would have to be destroyed along with the earth. unless you can show me that prior earth was without any sun, stars and had no light.

the jews don't count time from prior adam but from his creation to present.

 

[Gary]

Remember, I told you that the Genesis1:2 account, is after the fall of Adam?

Can you provide scripture for this?
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[4afaithfulone]

uhm where is the pause in the bible and where does it say there was death before adam? adam fall brought death in this world. for six day god created the heavens and the earth. that includes the sun and the stars which would have to be destroyed along with the earth. unless you can show me that prior earth was without any sun, stars and had no light.

the jews don't count time from prior adam but from his creation to present.

I did not say there was a death Before Adam. I said, just as the LORD told Adam, that in the day that he ate of the forbidden tree that he would die! And he did, he spiritually died as the Spirit of God left him and he lost his holy covering because sin entered in , and eventually his body did as well for that is what happens when you don't stay connected to the RUACH, the Spirit or the Breath of life. Exactly in the day that he ate of the forbidden tree. He died at the age of 936 yrs. just under 1 day in God's timing, for before he fell, there was no age limit! Eternal life remember?
Gen 5:5
5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
KJV
2 Peter 3:8
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
KJV

 

[jasonc]

I did not say there was a death Before Adam. I said, just as the LORD told Adam, that in the day that he ate of the forbidden tree that he would die! And he did, he spiritually died as the Spirit of God left him and he lost his holy covering because sin entered in , and eventually his body did as well for that is what happens when you don't stay connected to the RUACH, the Spirit or the Breath of life. Exactly in the day that he ate of the forbidden tree. He died at the age of 936 yrs. just under 1 day in God's timing, for before he fell, there was no age limit! Eternal life remember?
Gen 5:5
5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
KJV
2 Peter 3:8
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
KJV

what day was adam created? one, two or there or the sixth day? and using that literally as one day, that isn't what that says. that is an idiom. meaning how long god is patient, not meant to be taken literally.

you said that genesis 1:2 was written after the fall of adam. what was made on that day?

and this

No I am not sure.... I am POSITIVE! My persistant one!
Remember, I told you that the Genesis1:2 account, is after the fall of Adam? Notice He was only known as God in that re-creation of the earth, Not LORD God as Adam knew Him as, where they were told to REPLENISH the earth as in Fill it back up? This was after the old world was destroyed by the flood. Please re-read what I wrote if you are serious about knowing truth.
Here is the First Adam:

uhm that means sin was on the earth and death. cant wiesel out of that statement. if there was sin before adam what was the cause of the flood which isn't mentioned.

now the earth was without form and void... and the spirit of the lord moved upon the face of the deep and upon the waters.

the waters aren't mentioned being there from a flood and also plain reading just says it was there. not much is said that they were created just that it was there and moved upon. imho God created the water and used that to make things. I don't think too much on that as well its one of those things we aren't meant to know.

 

[4afaithfulone]

Can you provide scripture for this?
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I just did, who do you think lived in the Old world that was before us that Peter said was destroyed by the flood of Noah?

Always the same earth, remade every seven thousand years... just like our 7 day week. 6,000 we work the fields and the 7th is the cleansing of the earth to replenish. Just as the rotation of CROPS plant seed 6 yrs. let them rest the 7th.
2 Peter 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
KJV
Eccl 1:9-11
9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.
11 There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.
KJV

 

[jasonc]

ok, that is getting out there.

 

[Gary]

ok, that is getting out there.

Isn't that just unreal? I don't even know what to say.

 

[jasonc]

Isn't that just unreal? I don't even know what to say.

same here. I can understand the pre trib and so forth, but this?

 

[Gary]

I just did, who do you think lived in the Old world that was before us that Peter said was destroyed by the flood of Noah?

Is the record of their creation in the scriptures? The ones from the "old world".
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[Gary]

same here. I can understand the pre trib and so forth, but this?

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

 

[jasonc]

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

usually, those that believe in gap theories have some ways of getting there if you know what I mean.

 

[4afaithfulone]

what day was adam created? one, two or there or the sixth day? and using that literally as one day, that isn't what that says. that is an idiom. meaning how long god is patient, not meant to be taken literally.

you said that genesis 1:2 was written after the fall of adam. what was made on that day?

and this

uhm that means sin was on the earth and death. cant wiesel out of that statement. if there was sin before adam what was the cause of the flood which isn't mentioned.

now the earth was without form and void... and the spirit of the lord moved upon the face of the deep and upon the waters.

the waters aren't mentioned being there from a flood and also plain reading just says it was there. not much is said that they were created just that it was there and moved upon. imho God created the water and used that to make things. I don't think too much on that as well its one of those things we aren't meant to know.

The original earth was created in Gen.1:1 as you see it says on HEAVEN and not Heavens as in the Generation account of the Heavens and earth,
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

{When ever the beginning was I know that the Jews calendar shows Elul 25 as the day the earth was created, but I do not know Adam's day of birth, but it was BEFORE THE animals, plants and Eve.}

Now you will see in 1:2 it says "And" Which means "THEN" it became without form(lawless),void(empty of love) darkness(evil in the seas/people) so it was as in Gen.6 which starts the story in Genesis 2: 4 telling the story of the perfect earth in Gen.1:1 and how it fell. So God had to send His Word, the Lord Jesus Christ who it the LIGHT, for the sun and the moon were not created until the 4th day!

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
KJV

Gen 2:4 These are THE GENERATIONS of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
KJV

.Do you know that in the new Jerusalem, there will be no sun or moon? So it is obvious that God can remake His creation at will, just by saying THE WORD! Why he can even make the sun go backward or stand still. Why are we so amazed?

Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
KJV
Josh 10:12 Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.
13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
14 And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the LORD hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the LORD fought for Israel.
KJV
Isa 38:7 And this shall be a sign unto thee from the LORD, that the LORD will do this thing that he hath spoken;
8 Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down.
KJV
Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
KJV