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Have we overstepped our Boundaries?

jasonc said:
I have a different view of the new heavens and earth. not a physical change like some teach but a restoration of the earth to its pre curse state. if we are going to take that part of revelation 22 literally, then where are the lost on the earth? right outside the front gate!
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Well God is going to do away with all the cities as we see today where nothing breeds there except greed, addictions, crime and love loss.
All cities except the Bride New Jerusalem for there will not be but one LORD over all, yet the kings and priests of God will rule and reign for the 1,000 yrs that is just at the door.
And I do believe you are right that it will in no way be as we see it today. All technology that has been set up in the last 100yrs to allow the testing of men's hearts, will be gone.
God is about His natural creation, He did not created all the garbage in the earth as ungodly children have been taught to make and dump in His lakes, rivers, ponds, and seas. They not only rob God by pulling things out of His earth and are redesigning them for destructive inventions to gain wealth, but they are just little children who have dangerous things in their hands they have no idea of the consequences till too late because they won't listen to their Creator.
He is going to destroy all who insist on destroying His earth.

Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead{SPIRITUALLY DEAD}, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
KJV
That is why He would not even accept an offering laid on a altar hewned with tools but only natural stone. God said He has told us the End, from the Beginning, so He is saying that it will all be restored to Glory of Him. We did not eat the animals in the first world, only after Noah's flood were we allowed to eat meat.
This as we are seeing today is the same corruption that happened to the old world, for Solomon said there is nothing new under the sun it has all been before in the world before us.

Eccl 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.
11 There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.
KJV
 
jasonc said:
traditions of men? don't bother talking to me. I can read the bible for myself. my church doctrine was never mentioned here. I do listen to different end time views, but what I posted wasn't from my church.
however, I did state that lost would be outside the city. I was incorrect its in gehenna wherever that is. I believe to be in the center of the earth or also a spiritual and unseen location
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I didn't mean it was and wasn't pointing my finger at your church in particular, I apologize if it seems so for I judge no one just try to edify.
But I would like to ask you, did you learn about those in scripture I gave, who are worthy to inherit the new earth as not having children, because they will be as angels from your pasture?
That was my reason for the question, because it is in the Bible, yet no one here seems to know, believe or accept it as truth, yet There it is, Big as Day.
So should you wonder why have you not been taught this? Could it be that traditions of man being handed down without anyone making sure it was the whole truth and nothing but the truth out of care for your soul didn't accept it either, even as they claim that the Bible is Truth, except for the parts they can bare?
Would you like to see mention in scripture of the 3 groups of people and where they have chosen for THEMSELVES, by their own actions of free will to live their eternity out?
The 1st group who are found worthy of Christ being made in the image of the Firstborn will be the One New Man(whole body of members) and walk as part of his holy body, these shall inherit the City Heavenly Jerusalem better known as the Bride of Christ.
1st Group from scripture, not my words:
Rev. 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,KJV
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

The 2nd group are the believers who didn't make the grade during their walk and at weren’t quite ready at testing of the fruit that is here now that we are at harvest time of the earth, they will live outside of Holy Jerusalem in the rest of the earth for the meek shall inherit the earth as the nations and will only be allowed to enter into the Holy City if their name was written, and not blotted out, of the book of life when the GWTJ and the books are opened, they will become the saved nations.
2nd Group from scripture, now my words:
Rev. 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. KJV

Then we have the 3rd group, the Unbelievers who really did the same sinful things as the believers in the second group, but totally did their own self WRONG, for they rejected the love of God to live a “Have it their way” in life. They get to live it up in the lake of fire behind door # 3 where they will all get their wish to Have it their way even if you don’t like it when another of their brothers want to have it their way at your expense it will be total heat and torment with no one to come to the rescued, because there is no merciful God where they go, and He is going to have no memory of them at all!
These all love EVIL and since those with them do too, and didn’t want to stop, they get to live this way for ever and ever and EVER.. AND EVER. Never having to stop! Oh, how their heaven will be just as they have always hoped for themselves.!!!
3rd group from scripture not my words:
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

To whom so ever will:
But it may not be too late to repent and turn to God for them who do not know God:
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
KJV
 
Gary,
I am taking you as sincere, even if it seems as if you are testing me with the same question over and over.
Yes, the first Adam was the one created in Gen.2:4 by himself where the Bible is telling us the BEGINNING OF the Generations of the HEAVENS & EARTH when He created His first man, no other human created with him and knew God as LORD God, as in obedience, you know, Lord of our life. God is God over all the earth, but only those who have the Spirit can truthfully call God Lord. For Lord means our authority and not everyone does that! The other two in Gen.1:26 is our earth age that is about to end, they/we were created after the first Adam, who fell in the OLD World destroyed by the flood of Noah.
 
4afaithfulone said:
The other two in Gen.1:26 is our earth age that is about to end, they/we were created after the first Adam, who fell in the OLD World destroyed by the flood of Noah.
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There seems to be a considerable amount of confusion in these statements. The Bible is very clear about the creation of Adam and Eve. There was only one human pair from which all humanity has descended. This is crystal clear in both the OT and the NT. It does not help anyone with a limited knowledge of creation to confuse them in the above manner.

So my question to you is: Who is overstepping boundaries at this time?
 
4afaithfulone said:
Gary,
I am taking you as sincere, even if it seems as if you are testing me with the same question over and over.
Yes, the first Adam was the one created in Gen.2:4 by himself where the Bible is telling us the BEGINNING OF the Generations of the HEAVENS & EARTH when He created His first man, no other human created with him and knew God as LORD God, as in obedience, you know, Lord of our life. God is God over all the earth, but only those who have the Spirit can truthfully call God Lord. For Lord means our authority and not everyone does that! The other two in Gen.1:26 is our earth age that is about to end, they/we were created after the first Adam, who fell in the OLD World destroyed by the flood of Noah.
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So you believe the first Adam was created after Noah? Or do you believe that Gen 1:2-31 is describing what happened after the flood, with all of Genesis chapters 2-10 occurring between Gen verses 1:1 and 1:2?
 
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What I'm hearing here is a tweek to try to prove the gap theory.
And then the idea of the unworthy Christians that are outside the city I heard for the first time a couple of years ago for a 40 yr. Evangelical Christian and she heard it in the church or on Christian TV. I don't remember which.
 
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