Right and Wrong

Rollo Tamasi

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Can anyone tell me the difference between right and wrong?
I don't mean by example, I mean by absolute truth.
And without the Bible as a guide.
Am I asking too much?
Also, just to let you know, I do not have an answer, just more questions.
 
with out the scriptures there is no solid right or wrong
 
Can anyone tell me the difference between right and wrong?
I don't mean by example, I mean by absolute truth.
And without the Bible as a guide.
Am I asking too much?
Also, just to let you know, I do not have an answer, just more questions.
God and everything else.
 
with out the scriptures there is no solid right or wrong
I tend to disagree.
I think there is something inside us that tells us right from wrong, but I don't know what it is or have a name for it.
 
God and everything else.
This may very well be true.
But if one doesn't recognize the existence of a God that is always right and everything else is always wrong, then it has no meaning.
 
Most people outside of Christianity probably see it as a development of evolution and higher intelligence.
 
God you silly
I was hoping you wouldn't say that.
I am looking into something deep, at least it is for me, and I was hoping someone on this forum could shed some light on the subject.
 
How much deeper can it be then God... If the Spirit of God was lifted from the earth... IMO the total ugliness of man be revealed
Making ISIS look tame.. ..
 
Morality outside of the Bible, eh?
Well, I'd say that basically treating others the way you'd want to be treated overall leads to a better life and better relations with others. So it's kinda just...common sense. Or you'd think it would be something like that.
 
Can anyone tell me the difference between right and wrong?
I don't mean by example, I mean by absolute truth.
And without the Bible as a guide.
Am I asking too much?
Also, just to let you know, I do not have an answer, just more questions.
What you are referring to is objective morality. Our intuitions about what is truly right and what is truly wrong point to the idea that objective morality exists. Without God there is no objective morality, it becomes subjective--there is no real difference between right and wrong.
 
How much deeper can it be then God... If the Spirit of God was lifted from the earth... IMO the total ugliness of man be revealed
Making ISIS look tame.. ..
Is it God?
Is it something God gives us?
Is it part of us or an outside force placed within us?
Do the members of ISIS have this same force within them, telling them right from wrong?
Are they not doing what they see as being right?
Does that make them right?
ISIS does not kill everyone.
So they see a right to let certain people live.
And they see a wrong to see others get killed.
How do we distinguish what is right and wrong unless we are in agreement as to what it is?
Did Cain know it was wrong when he killed Abel?
Do you see all my questions?
One question may contradict another.
Where do we go with it?
 
Morality outside of the Bible, eh?
Well, I'd say that basically treating others the way you'd want to be treated overall leads to a better life and better relations with others. So it's kinda just...common sense. Or you'd think it would be something like that.
You may be right.
Did you learn this common sense from someone or was it always there inside of you?
 
What you are referring to is objective morality. Our intuitions about what is truly right and what is truly wrong point to the idea that objective morality exists. Without God there is no objective morality, it becomes subjective--there is no real difference between right and wrong.
I would call it the Law of Human Nature.
Everyone has it without schooling or social interaction.
Whatever it is, it tells us right from wrong.
 
You may be right.
Did you learn this common sense from someone or was it always there inside of you?
It's hard to say because I was raised on the golden rule and the Bible has had a big influence on how I view things.
I'd say that my experience is, I guess, the biggest reason...if you're nice to people, they're usually nice to you...conclusion, being nice is the best way to avoid conflicts. Y'know? That said, not everyone has the same motivations or ways of figuring things out.

But I do think it makes sense...God has a reason for the morals He set up, it's not just cause He can. It's because they actually work best for us.
 
Can anyone tell me the difference between right and wrong?
I don't mean by example, I mean by absolute truth.
And without the Bible as a guide.
Am I asking too much?
Also, just to let you know, I do not have an answer, just more questions.

well first, "right and wrong" have to be connected to a higher power who himself is Truth., absolute.
The reason for this is, you as a human, are the only animal that functions in a mental realm whereby right or wrong are even known or considered.
I dont have to tell you that the animal kingdom, excluding humans, has no mental capacity to even understand "right or wrong'.
But, because we are created in the image of GOD, or with the "same likes" as the one who IS Truth, then our inner man, is a function of this moral situation that is called a conscience, which is the divine spark in us that is created to distinguish in us between evil and not evil.
or, in your words...."right or wrong".

"right" is that divine guide within the conscience , that all by itself, elevates morality towards purity.
"wrong" is that divine guide within the conscience, that all by itself, creates distress when we would choose to move toward evil desire.
 
Is it God?
Is it something God gives us?
same thing to me... humans with out God are nothing good.
Is it part of us or an outside force placed within us?
Gen_1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
IMO this is the over all thing...Which is apart from the indwelling of the Holy Spirit
Do the members of ISIS have this same force within them, telling them right from wrong?
Are they not doing what they see as being right?
Does that make them right?
ISIS does not kill everyone.
do you have to kill every one to be evil.
So they see a right to let certain people live.
And they see a wrong to see others get killed.
Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Rom 3:13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
Rom 3:14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
Rom 3:15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
Rom 3:16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
Rom 3:17 And the way of peace have they not known:
Rom 3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

How do we distinguish what is right and wrong unless we are in agreement as to what it is?
You wished to exclude Bible and God from the discussion IMO that cant be done...
Did Cain know it was wrong when he killed Abel?
The account in Gen 4 tells me he did..
Do you see all my questions?
One question may contradict another.
Where do we go with it?
There is only one place to go .. the Cross of Christ.
 
I tend to disagree.
I think there is something inside us that tells us right from wrong, but I don't know what it is or have a name for it.

It's an intuitive knowledge that guides us. We Methodists call it prevenient grace, God's nurturing grace that precedes human decision.
 
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