Bible Study A Bible Study On Abortion

[th1b.taylor]

If you think that then you have bought the progressive line of propaganda.
The abortion industry was instigated and founded by Margaret Sanger who saw it as white civilization's duty to reduce the number of non-white births in order to clear the "undesirable undergrowth from the garden of humanity."

The most common social unit to be living in poverty in the USA is a single mother. The acceptance of fornication as a natural and healthy practice that is promoted by our society, media, and education system promotes and insures the continuation of that impoverished single mom household.

But it is the individual woman's choice to kill her baby.
The fact that the government, the abortion industry, and the progressive/socialist sector of the society all promote the murder of infants simply makes them co-defendants at the judgment seat of the Lord.

Can you please remember this is the Bible Study Forum and that there are rules? I do not believe a single one of you has read the OP nor have any of you even began the study and nobody matters when it comes to what God has said, please, some order, okay?

 

[AirDancer]

This is Bible Study forum, and not Current Events/Politics or the Lounge.

Let's discuss the topic at hand. If you don't recall the precise topic, please review at the link below:

A Bible Study On Abortion

 

[reba]

closed for a short while

 

[reba]

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[reba]

This thread is reopened ... Some post have been deleted .... We will be holding a tight line in this thread. Understanding a need to discuss abortion please let us try and keep our emotions in check..

 

[Free]

Here is from a previous post of mine:

According to Alvin J. Schmidt in his book Under the Influence: How Christianity Transformed Civilization, there are two references in the NT that we can consider. The first is found in Gal. 5:20, in Paul's list of sins. The Greek word translated as "sorcery" or "witchcraft" is pharmakeia, which has as one of its meanings, the administering of potions or drugs, which is how abortion was performed in those days. Also worth noting is Rev. 21:8, wear John used the plural form pharmakos, immediately after condemning people who are "sexually immoral." Not only is that fairly significant in and of itself, but even more so when we consider that pharmakeia is also used by the pagan writer Plutarch in specific reference to its use "for contraception and abortion purposes" (Schmidt, pg 57).

 

[Jim Parker]

This thread is reopened ... Some post have been deleted .... We will be holding a tight line in this thread. Understanding a need to discuss abortion please let us try and keep our emotions in check..

I put the cites for the "Black Holocaust" documentary in the current events & politics section.
I believe it is important that we know the truth about the abortion racket.

I hope a few people will view all 7 videos.

jim

 

[Jim Parker]

Here is from a previous post of mine:

According to Alvin J. Schmidt in his book Under the Influence: How Christianity Transformed Civilization, there are two references in the NT that we can consider. The first is found in Gal. 5:20, in Paul's list of sins. The Greek word translated as "sorcery" or "witchcraft" is pharmakeia, which has as one of its meanings, the administering of potions or drugs, which is how abortion was performed in those days. Also worth noting is Rev. 21:8, wear John used the plural form pharmakos, immediately after condemning people who are "sexually immoral." Not only is that fairly significant in and of itself, but even more so when we consider that pharmakeia is also used by the pagan writer Plutarch in specific reference to its use "for contraception and abortion purposes" (Schmidt, pg 57).

Thanks for reposting.
It's important information.

jim

 

[Jim Parker]

Can you please remember this is the Bible Study Forum and that there are rules? I do not believe a single one of you has read the OP nor have any of you even began the study and nobody matters when it comes to what God has said, please, some order, okay?

Please forgive me if I have become too passionate about the ongoing murder of millions of innocent infants for monetary and political gain.

My bad.

iakov the fool

 

[smaller]

The murder of infants should be utterly, completely deplorable to any believers.

That does not mean that others will agree.

That does not mean that "the law" is capable of stopping sin because the opposite is scripturally true.

Romans 7:
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

1 Corinthians 15:56
The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

Do we then resort to killing aborting (non)mother mothers ourselves, to stop this killing? That doesn't seem quite logical, though it might to some. When we do that we also break the law, do not kill.

It may seem we are long on answers that this IS SIN, and short credible working on solutions. I just question whether there are credible solutions in light of scriptural facts. I don't have any expectations of the sin indwelling anyone to be legal.

Baby killing happens to be one of the more openly vile reactions of sin in mankind.

 

[th1b.taylor]

I put the cites for the "Black Holocaust" documentary in the current events & politics section.
I believe it is important that we know the truth about the abortion racket.

I hope a few people will view all 7 videos.

jim

It is important Jim and tied to scripture that supports with a discussion type comment on how it ties to scripture, i.e. how it relates to any of the scriptures from the study in the OP, makes it very relevant to this discussion, even. But, almost from the start, this discussion concerning God's position ran a muck. It ecame disorderly and hateful.

Thank you Reba.

 

[reba]

smaller you are pushing the limit..

 

[Jim Parker]

It ecame disorderly and hateful.

True.

I absolutely hate the unrelenting murder of millions of innocent infants and the shameless support of that holocaust by the left wing of our society.

How could this slaughter of innocents not break any Christian's heart?

Mat 2:16-18 Then Herod, when he saw that he had been tricked by the wise men, was in a furious rage, and he sent and killed all the male children in Bethlehem and in all that region who were two years old or under, according to the time which he had ascertained from the wise men. Then was fulfilled what was spoken by the prophet Jeremiah: "A voice was heard in Ramah, wailing and loud lamentation, Rachel weeping for her children; she refused to be consoled, because they were no more."

Does our pagan, post-Christian America weep?

No. It is openly declared as a practice that one of our two dominant political parties will fight tooth and nail to insure that the holocaust continues unabated and fully funded by the government.

And many self-proclaimed Christians will vote for that party's candidate without concern for the fact that they participate in the murder of innocent infants by doing so.

And what does scripture say?
1Jo 3:15b (RSV) ... you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.
Rev 21:8 (RSV) But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death."
Rom 14:22b (NKJV) Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.
1Ti 5:22 (RSV) Do not ........ participate in another man's sins; keep yourself pure.

iakov the fool

 

[reba]

Deu 19:9 If thou shalt keep all these commandments to do them, which I command thee this day, to love the LORD thy God, and to walk ever in his ways; then shalt thou add three cities more for thee, beside these three:
Deu 19:10 That innocent blood be not shed in thy land, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance, and so blood be upon thee.
Deu 19:11 But if any man hate his neighbour, and lie in wait for him, and rise up against him, and smite him mortally that he die, and fleeth into one of these cities:
Deu 19:12 Then the elders of his city shall send and fetch him thence, and deliver him into the hand of the avenger of blood, that he may die.
Deu 19:13 Thine eye shall not pity him, but thou shalt put away the guilt of innocent blood from Israel, that it may go well with thee.

Psa 94:14 For the LORD will not cast off his people, neither will he forsake his inheritance.
Psa 94:15 But judgment shall return unto righteousness: and all the upright in heart shall follow it.
Psa 94:16 Who will rise up for me against the evildoers? or who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity?
Psa 94:17 Unless the LORD had been my help, my soul had almost dwelt in silence.
Psa 94:18 When I said, My foot slippeth; thy mercy, O LORD, held me up.
Psa 94:19 In the multitude of my thoughts within me thy comforts delight my soul.
Psa 94:20 Shall the throne of iniquity have fellowship with thee, which frameth mischief by a law?
Psa 94:21 They gather themselves together against the soul of the righteous, and condemn the innocent blood.
Psa 94:22 But the LORD is my defence; and my God is the rock of my refuge.
Psa 94:23 And he shall bring upon them their own iniquity, and shall cut them off in their own wickedness; yea, the LORD our God shall cut them off.

Psa 106:34 They did not destroy the nations, concerning whom the LORD commanded them:
Psa 106:35 But were mingled among the heathen, and learned their works.
Psa 106:36 And they served their idols: which were a snare unto them.
Psa 106:37 Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils,
Psa 106:38 And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.
Psa 106:39 Thus were they defiled with their own works, and went a whoring with their own inventions.
Psa 106:40 Therefore was the wrath of the LORD kindled against his people, insomuch that he abhorred his own inheritance.
Psa 106:41 And he gave them into the hand of the heathen; and they that hated them ruled over them.
Psa 106:42 Their enemies also oppressed them, and they were brought into subjection under their hand.

Pro 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Pro 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
Pro 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
Pro 6:20 My son, keep thy father's commandment, and forsake not the law of thy mother:

Isa 59:1 Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
Isa 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
Isa 59:3 For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.
Isa 59:4 None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.
Isa 59:5 They hatch cockatrice' eggs, and weave the spider's web: he that eateth of their eggs dieth, and that which is crushed breaketh out into a viper.
Isa 59:6 Their webs shall not become garments, neither shall they cover themselves with their works: their works are works of iniquity, and the act of violence is in their hands.
Isa 59:7 Their feet run to evil, and they make haste to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths.
Isa 59:8 The way of peace they know not; and there is no judgment in their goings: they have made them crooked paths: whosoever goeth therein shall not know peace.
Isa 59:9 Therefore is judgment far from us, neither doth justice overtake us: we wait for light, but behold obscurity; for brightness, but we walk in darkness.

 

[reba]

Jer 7:6 If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt:
Mat 27:3 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,
Mat 27:4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.
Mat 27:5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.
Mat 27:6 And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood.

2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2Ch 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2Ch 7:15 Now mine eyes shall be open, and mine ears attent unto the prayer that is made in this place.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Do we then resort to killing aborting (non)mother mothers ourselves, to stop this killing? That doesn't seem quite logical, though it might to some. When we do that we also break the law, do not kill.

We need approach this facet carefully. In Genesis 9:6 we are commanded to kill the man that murders a man and scripture teaches us that we are the image of God and if a person murders any human they have struck to murder God.

We must not be savages and drag the mother into the street to be lynched but rather we must closely examine on every level any first time offender and the entire Word of God supports this position.

 

[Jim Parker]

We need approach this facet carefully. In Genesis 9:6 we are commanded to kill the man that murders a man and scripture teaches us that we are the image of God and if a person murders any human they have struck to murder God.

We must not be savages and drag the mother into the street to be lynched but rather we must closely examine on every level any first time offender and the entire Word of God supports this position.

We do not live in a theocracy. Like the JEws under Roman rule during Jesus' time, we must "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" and we, also, are to obey the laws of the land of the country in which we live.

Rom 13:1-5 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of him who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain; he is the servant of God to execute his wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be subject, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.

Of course, we have to draw a line somewhere. We don't want to decline into a society that approves of rounding up "undesirable" people and sending them to death camps to be exterminated like the Nazis.

We have been given an excellent example of the struggle against injustice in Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. He and his followers never lifted a finger against any of their oppressors and he brought the whole structure down.

So what should the average Christian do?

How about Mat 5:16?

 

[reba]

When i see persons who call themselves christian accept the laws of the land for the protection of their property while decrying laws to protect human life my heart hurts.

 

[JohnDB]

The Book of first and second Kings show the answer.

Each King had or didn't have a relationship with God... until the exile from the Land.

Each time they had a Godly King the nation excelled. Each time they had a king that worshipped idols they had famine and harassment from surrounding nations.

So America and Europe have had economic famines and harassment from terrorism. If course people don't correlate the two together...but it's the truth.

We have tried to put in Godly leaders only to get nothing out of them for out the God-fearing laws to reverse the trend.

So my fear is that there will be a reckoning as this nation carries God's name in all parts of it. Regardless of what the atheist and heathens wish.
Blasphemy of God's name is a capital offense. It's the same as misusing it...
Israel carried God's name as well. Their fate will likely be ours. But somehow those who remained faithful to God did OK... better than those who didn't.

 

[ezrider]

I tried to ask a simple question, and it got deleted. But I think it is a reasonable question that most certainly fits in with a bible study on abortion, and so I will ask it again.

If you think abortion should be made illegal under the constitution of the United States, then based upon your biblical priciples on this particular subject matter, how should the laws of this country then define the punishment for a young womem, perhaps one who was raped, for getting an abortion? What should be the penalty for some one commiting this crime? What scriptures inform you on how to weigh these consequences?