The Word creates Righteousness

[Johan]

We died to human being Life. God has given us the Life of Himself in the Word on the Child or Son. We get born as Godly Beings now and grow up as Godly beings.

This of course mean a change in Character. As the Character of God is now created in us.

2 Peter 1
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

And one of the first Characteristics is Righteousness.

So what is it actually?

How do we experience it?

How do we benefit from it?

Which Word of God create it?

 

[JohnDB]

We died to human being Life. God has given us the Life of Himself in the Word on the Child or Son. We get born as Godly Beings now and grow up as Godly beings.

Not exactly sure what you mean by this...

Can you please explain this more?

 

[stovebolts]

We died to human being Life. God has given us the Life of Himself in the Word on the Child or Son. We get born as Godly Beings now and grow up as Godly beings.

This of course means a change in Character. As the Character of God is now created in us.

2 Peter 1
3 According to as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

And one of the first Characteristics is Righteousness.

So what is it actually?

How do we experience it?

How do we benefit from it?

Which Word of God creates it?

Like JohnDB, I'm not sure I'm tracking fully with what you're saying. However, when it comes to Gods righteousness, I'm reminded of what Paul wrote to the church in Rome.

ESV Romans 2:4 Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance

I understand these passages to say, hey... We have a God who is full of grace and mercy. Don't abuse Gods patience and mercy because one day you'll be in front of him, so understand His grace is meant to draw you to him so you will live the right way... The way God created, and intended you to live.

So we see that Gods righteousness is bound in patience, hope, long suffering, mercy and grace... God is love.

But Paul goes on to explain... ESV Romans 3:25 This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. 26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

 

[Johan]

Not exactly sure what you mean by this...

Can you please explain this more?

Sure. We are born as human beings. But God is not a human being. Thus to become His Child we need to die as human beings and being born again of God.

Rom 6

3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

So God gave the Word of the Son or Jesus to do just this. In accepting our New Life in the Name and Life of Jesus we die to human being life and are born again into Godly Being Life. The Life of the Son. And we grow up in the Life of the Son. This is all done by the Word of the Son or Jesus.

 

[Johan]

Like JohnDB, I'm not sure I'm tracking fully with what you're saying.

Ok. I gave him the same.
We are born as human beings. But God is not a human being. Thus to become His Child we need to die as human beings and being born again of God.

Rom 6
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

So God gave the Word of the Son or Jesus to do just this. In accepting our New Life in the Name and Life of Jesus we die to human being life and are born again into Godly Being Life. The Life of the Son. And we grow up in the Life of the Son. This is all done by the Word of the Son or Jesus.

However, when it comes to Gods righteousness, I'm reminded of what Paul wrote to the church in Rome.

ESV Romans 2:4 Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance

I understand these passages to say, hey... We have a God who is full of grace and mercy. Don't abuse Gods patience and mercy because one day you'll be in front of him, so understand His grace is meant to draw you to him so you will live the right way... The way God created, and intended you to live.

So we see that Gods righteousness is bound in patience, hope, long suffering, mercy and grace... God is love.

Ok. But what about His Righteousness given to us?

But Paul goes on to explain... ESV Romans 3:25 This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. 26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

So God "justify" us who believe. What do you think that mean?

 

[Walpole]

Ok. I gave him the same.
We are born as human beings. But God is not a human being. Thus to become His Child we need to die as human beings and being born again of God.

Rom 6
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

So God gave the Word of the Son or Jesus to do just this. In accepting our New Life in the Name and Life of Jesus we die to human being life and are born again into Godly Being Life. The Life of the Son. And we grow up in the Life of the Son. This is all done by the Word of the Son or Jesus.


Ok. But what about His Righteousness given to us?


So God "justify" us who believe. What do you think that mean?

FYI, the Word (Logos) is the Son; that is, Jesus Christ.

 

[Christ_empowered]

i always thought of 'ye must die to be born again' more like...

being made into who we really are in Christ. less (whomever), more Jesus...

but Jesus in us, Jesus thru us, Jesus with a given individual's DNA, fingerprint, etc.

Kind of like...once again, I'll do a CS Lewis reference. His writing often discussed Jesus as The Real Man, not real man as in macho and all, but Real, perfect and sinless...

and in Heaven, followers of Christ go from being fallen (albeit forgiven) creatures to being glorified, perfected Creatures, worshipping our Creator forever. and...

there's also The Great Divorce, which is all about how even here on earth, a genuine conversion=becoming Real, or being made Real, rather...to the extent possible in the context of a sin scarred, fallen world. quality literature, btw.

on a fairly obvious note, I think it is worth noting that God so loved the world, Jesus became flesh and dwelled here, on earth, and dealt with all the grit and grime of being human and...dealing with other people. and...

"Jesus didn't die for your sins; Jesus died for -you- !" that's a Pentecostal-ism that's stuck me, that and "salvation is for the -whole- person."

 

[stovebolts]

Hi Johan,

In simple terms, the way I understand righteousness is this.

Gods righteousness is bound in love. Not just an emotional display of affection, but a Godly love which the Apostle Paul describes in 1 Corinthians 13 which I would encourage you and others to read.

This love was shown to us in many ways through our Lord and Savior who is Gods Son and our Messiah. As you have rightly noted from the passages in Romans 6, we die to self as we are buried with Christ in Baptism to which we are raised new in the resurrection of His glory.

As new creatures in Christ, we have the opportunity to live out our faith while simultaneously living into Gods righteousness. In other words, it is Gods righteousness on display through our resurrected lives.

Grace be to you.

 

[Walpole]

Righteousness (δικαιοσύνη) comes from the root word "righteous" (δίκαιος).

δίκαιος (righteous) = observing the laws of God; upright; virtuous; keeping the commands of God

It is those who keep the laws of God who are thus righteous and hence living in righteousness.

---> https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=G1342&t=KJV

 

[stovebolts]

Righteousness (δικαιοσύνη) comes from the root word "righteous" (δίκαιος).

δίκαιος (righteous) = observing the laws of God; upright; virtuous; keeping the commands of God

It is those who keep the laws of God who are thus righteous and hence living in righteousness.

---> https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=G1342&t=KJV

Yes, and Jesus sums the spirit of the law and all the prophets on two laws... And from this perspective, we see God is not a hypocrite. Thus, we have the righteousness of God.

 

[Nathan12]

And one of the first Characteristics is Righteousness. So what is it actually?

The lexicons don't really help, but we have Scripture to tell us that righteousness consists of God's absolute perfection and holiness: Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. (Mt 5:48)

No one can possibly be as perfect and righteous as God. And that is why God IMPUTES RIGHTEOUSNESS to the one who believes on Christ. It is the absolute righteousness of God and Christ which is put to our spiritual account so that we stand perfect before God, clothed in His righteousness.
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith (Phil 3:9)

How do we experience it?

We experience righteousness by being righteous -- thinking righteously and doing righteous deeds -- by the power of the indwelling Spirit. This is the process of sanctification.

How do we benefit from it?

We avoid the consequences of unrighteousness, which are rather serious.

Which Word of God create it?

The Gospel is the Word of God which creates righteousness in that faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. Those who believe and obey the Gospel are justified by grace through faith and receive imputed righteousness.

 

[Walpole]

Yes, and Jesus sums the spirit of the law and all the prophets on two laws... And from this perspective, we see God is not a hypocrite. Thus, we have the righteousness of God.

Indeed...


"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven." (Mt. 5:17-20)

 

[stovebolts]

Indeed...


"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven." (Mt. 5:17-20)

Its almost funny... At that time they talked the talk, but didn't walk the walk.

Matthew 23:2. The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat, 3 so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice.

When we talk about Gods authority, what we are really saying is that God is able... And God will able us, and that's where I think faith comes in... We gotta trust Gods word enough to get out of the boat, and we gotta trust that he will rescue us when we stumble and take our eyes off him through our own doubts and fears.

 

[for_his_glory]

We know that Jesus is the word of God, John 1:1-14, as in John 12:49, 50 God gave Jesus what to speak as being the righteousness of God.

Righteousness means goodness, virtue, uprightness, decency, integrity, worthiness, morality, justice, honesty, honor, sinlessness, purity which are all attributes of God placed in His Son Christ Jesus and now in all that believe and surrender all of themselves to God through the Spiritual rebirth that comes from above. We die to self and live for Christ as we are made righteous through the righteousness of God.

 

[Johan]

FYI, the Word (Logos) is the Son; that is, Jesus Christ.

Sure. But He is the Word for us. Meaning He is the Word creating us to be the Child or Son. That is what the "Word" of God mean. Creating ability.

 

[Johan]

i always thought of 'ye must die to be born again' more like...

being made into who we really are in Christ. less (whomever), more Jesus...

but Jesus in us, Jesus thru us, Jesus with a given individual's DNA, fingerprint, etc.

Kind of like...once again, I'll do a CS Lewis reference. His writing often discussed Jesus as The Real Man, not real man as in macho and all, but Real, perfect and sinless...

and in Heaven, followers of Christ go from being fallen (albeit forgiven) creatures to being glorified, perfected Creatures, worshipping our Creator forever. and...

there's also The Great Divorce, which is all about how even here on earth, a genuine conversion=becoming Real, or being made Real, rather...to the extent possible in the context of a sin scarred, fallen world. quality literature, btw.

on a fairly obvious note, I think it is worth noting that God so loved the world, Jesus became flesh and dwelled here, on earth, and dealt with all the grit and grime of being human and...dealing with other people. and...

"Jesus didn't die for your sins; Jesus died for -you- !" that's a Pentecostal-ism that's stuck me, that and "salvation is for the -whole- person."

I agree. To be born again mean that the old does not exist anymore. It is now only Jesus that exist. Which are now you. So you have a New Name and Identity and Life. And in this case His Righteousness. Your unrighteousness exchanged for His Righteousness. So how does it Feel?

 

[Johan]

Hi Johan,

In simple terms, the way I understand righteousness is this.

Gods righteousness is bound in love. Not just an emotional display of affection, but a Godly love which the Apostle Paul describes in 1 Corinthians 13 which I would encourage you and others to read.

This love was shown to us in many ways through our Lord and Savior who is Gods Son and our Messiah. As you have rightly noted from the passages in Romans 6, we die to self as we are buried with Christ in Baptism to which we are raised new in the resurrection of His glory.

As new creatures in Christ, we have the opportunity to live out our faith while simultaneously living into Gods righteousness. In other words, it is Gods righteousness on display through our resurrected lives.

Grace be to you.

Sure. God's Love is the Love of The Father. Meaning to give everything He is in Birth to His Children. Thus He gave us The Word on the Child to effect this. And He creates Righteousness of Him in us by the Word of Jesus. So how do this Feel? To have Righteousness as a Characteristic of God?

 

[Johan]

Righteousness (δικαιοσύνη) comes from the root word "righteous" (δίκαιος).

δίκαιος (righteous) = observing the laws of God; upright; virtuous; keeping the commands of God

It is those who keep the laws of God who are thus righteous and hence living in righteousness.

---> https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=G1342&t=KJV

The question is now if "keeping the laws" can create Gods Righteousness in us?

 

[Johan]

The lexicons don't really help, but we have Scripture to tell us that righteousness consists of God's absolute perfection and holiness: Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. (Mt 5:48)

No one can possibly be as perfect and righteous as God. And that is why God IMPUTES RIGHTEOUSNESS to the one who believes on Christ. It is the absolute righteousness of God and Christ which is put to our spiritual account so that we stand perfect before God, clothed in His righteousness.
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith (Phil 3:9)


We experience righteousness by being righteous -- thinking righteously and doing righteous deeds -- by the power of the indwelling Spirit. This is the process of sanctification.

We avoid the consequences of unrighteousness, which are rather serious.

The Gospel is the Word of God which creates righteousness in that faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. Those who believe and obey the Gospel are justified by grace through faith and receive imputed righteousness.

Sure. We are changing. By the Word. Which is Jesus the Son of God. The Word is creating the Life of the Child. Us. Thus many do have Rigtheosness of God as a New Characteristic in their Identity. So we have never sinned or did anything wrong and never can. We are Pure. In this Character we Fellowship with God and with one another.

 

[Christ_empowered]

i don't think The Word -creates righteousness- though. Isaiah 55:11 obviously applies, so I kinda sorta get where you're coming from, but...

a genuine, saving relationship with Christ gives us His righteousness...--in God's eyes--. How a genuine conversion plays out in the here and now really seems to depend on the person, the situation...general themes (restoration, reconciliation, 'yet another undeserved chance') apply, but...

the closest thing I can think of--from Scripture, of course-- to what you've posted on would be Fruits of the Spirit, and those are His (The Holy Spirit/Ghost) works, His fruits...in us, and they seem to function both as a result of an ongoing relationship with Christ and as a sort of 'proof' of genuine conversion. John 15:5.

so...I like your writing style, but I don't think I'm quite on board with your conclusions.