[__ Science __ ] The Flood, what happened?

[for_his_glory]

No, it simply does not. There is no support for a global flood in the geologic column, let alone in any other scientific field.

Where is your proof, other than believing everything that scientists say as even they can not all agree on the matter of God and His creation. Quantrill and I have pointed out what is already written in scripture. If you want to ignore that then it's your own choice. I will believe God above man any day of the week.

 

[Barbarian]

Still no answer. Do you believe the Bible is the Word of God?

Sometime ago, I showed you that the Bible is the word of God. And I asked you if you believed that. You continue of refuse to answer. For whatever reason.

 

[Barbarian]

Where is your proof, other than believing everything that scientists say as even they can not all agree on the matter of God and His creation.

As Christians, we shouldn't mock them for that. After all, Christians differ among themselves on many aspects of God and His Creation. However, it is quite true that there is no evidence whatever for a worldwide flood. Which is not a problem for a Bible-believing Christian; the Bible doesn't say there was a worldwide flood.

 

[Barbarian]

Its still all only theory/opinion/assertion not actual there-then eye-witness certainty.

Merely counting the surface oceans/seas (and lakes? and ice caps?)
The world’s surface is 7/10ths water versus 3/10ths land.
The average depth of the ocean 12451 ft versus average height of land above sealevel is 2300 ft.
If the surface of the earth was flat the water would stand over 7900 ft or 1.5 mi deep/high.
Then there are more waters underground etc.

The crust extends over the entire Earth, averaging 50 km (164,000 ft) on land and 20 km (65615 ft). So a much, much greater mass of crust than water. And the energy required to quickly move and then slow the blocks of crust would boil the oceans, when it was released as heat. Energy isn't magically created and destroyed; it's always converted to another form of energy. So the energy required to accelerate and slow the crust would be released as frictional heat.

And the oceans would boil. Unless it happened over tens of millions of years so the head could be slowly removed by conduction.

 

[Barbarian]

Israel can not be calculated into this as it was in Mesopotamia where Noah lived and when the flood began, which is the region known as modern day Turkey where the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat. Noah, who lived and built the ark in the region of Mesopotamia, was not in the land of Israel for two reasons, he did not live there and Israel did not exist in Noah's day. The first eleven chapters of Genesis focuses on this region located along the Euphrates and Tigris rivers.

Cubits were the length of forearms, so they didn't vary a great deal. If you can find a longer cubit, use it. It won't change the results very much.

The land that was covered, was, according to the Bible, rather flat.

 

[Barbarian]

it should be noted that by peter who mentions the heavens and earth being destroyed by fire .

He used the Greek word κόσμος , meaning world. The same word that Luke used for the Roman Empire:
Luke 2:1 And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.

 

[for_his_glory]

Cubits were the length of forearms, so they didn't vary a great deal. If you can find a longer cubit, use it. It won't change the results very much.

The land that was covered, was, according to the Bible, rather flat.

Could you please show me where that is found in scripture that the land was flat, thank you.

 

[jasonc]

He used the Greek word κόσμος , meaning world. The same word that Luke used for the Roman Empire:
Luke 2:1 And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.

so God wont judge America ,or Asia just the former roman empires

Go unto,all nations ,the idea here is the the old world was flooded.

unless you want to,assume my cherolee,seminole need not repent as they aren't from Adam .

you can't localize the judgement and ignore the entire point of peter .the gospel would then Only apply to the european continent

 

[jasonc]

the debate of local vs global flood is pre Darwin ,in fact 100 ad .rashi taught it as local and rambam refuted it

 

[Barbarian]

not to mention so evil that God regretted creating man ,if it was that local then those outside of the land flooded wouldn't be evil

If at the time, Adam's descendants lived outside the area. Or possibly, the people in that area were sufficiently evil to invite His wrath, as the people of Sodom were, much later.

 

[Barbarian]

so God wont judge America ,or Asia just the former roman empires

The world of Peter's time was much smaller. So we shouldn't expect Peter to be knowledgeable about the rest of the world.

 

[Barbarian]

And if you were right then the whole bible is wrong, because it could never have happened any time in all of biblical history since Adam's fall unless it happened ultra slowly between the beginning and Adam's fall.

Which is why most Bible scholars see that division as being a division into different people with different languages and cultures.

 

[Barbarian]

the debate of local vs global flood is pre Darwin ,in fact 100 ad .rashi taught it as local and rambam refuted it

Yes, the idea of a global flood was never orthodoxy, although some thought of it that way.

 

[jasonc]

The world of Peter's time was much smaller. So we shouldn't expect Peter to be knowledgeable about the rest of the world.

you assume that .2000 years ago .Florida wasn't under water nor was the sand ridge where Orlando sits freshly formed.

 

[jasonc]

The world of Peter's time was much smaller. So we shouldn't expect Peter to be knowledgeable about the rest of the world.

you assume that .2000 years ago .Florida wasn't under water nor was the sand ridge where Orlando sits freshly formed.

 

[jasonc]

Yes, the idea of a global flood was never orthodoxy, although some thought of it that way.

it was not an apostle i mentioned but two Jewish rabbi.rashI first century ,rambam 13th

you pick and choose to fit your bias .

you trust science more then I do .

climate science ,its religion ,we recycle ,but wash things to save the earth ,we preach save the trees only to ignore that trees for wood and paper are farmed .my step daughter ,her house sits on a former logging area,trees were hauled on a rail that is simply buried and now a dirt road ,trees are still famed by her .I noticed. as pine trees don't grow in perfect rows ,what isn't farmed for trees,is another farm it simply vacant ,a house .but well save the earth .never mind Texas brown out .

solar and wind ,yup as I often told my wife mother nature will stop solar and wind and might do so with the others but not as easily .

I can go more into our worship of men in labcoats ,this isn't to say science has no place but I have been burned by fads ,reverse osmosis units ,and some natural cures ,so I observe much closer .

 

[jasonc]

If at the time, Adam's descendants lived outside the area. Or possibly, the people in that area were sufficiently evil to invite His wrath, as the people of Sodom were, much later.

no,the seventy nations are traced to Noah son,all three

ashenazi all areas in Europa but Italy and Spain and Greece ,those are sephardic .

only the former uses Yiddish .not all of the nations are where Jews call themselves in origins did I mention but those are post flood . dialects of Hebrew and sub culture .

 

[for_his_glory]

so God wont judge America ,or Asia just the former roman empires

Go unto,all nations ,the idea here is the the old world was flooded.

unless you want to,assume my cherolee,seminole need not repent as they aren't from Adam .

you can't localize the judgement and ignore the entire point of peter .the gospel would then Only apply to the european continent

Take this a step further as within the seven trumpets of God's wrath in the end of days. It will not be centrally located, but global. It's like saying the earth is only 6000 years old by that of what some scientist claim, but you have others agreeing that it could be millions of years old. Scripture most assuredly shows the flood was global and not just in the area of Mesopotamia.

 

[Barbarian]

you assume that .2000 years ago .Florida wasn't under water nor was the sand ridge where Orlando sits freshly formed.

There were humans living there about 14,000 years ago...

Sinkhole discovery suggests humans were in Florida 14,500 years ago

Knife, bone, and dung cast doubt on Bering Strait theory and indicate humans spread through Americas 1,500 years earlier than thought, researchers say

www.theguardian.com

 

[Barbarian]

Scripture most assuredly shows the flood was global and not just in the area of Mesopotamia.

Doesn't say it was in Mesopotamia. And since scripture doesn't say it was worldwide, we can't logically assume it was.