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It didn't.
What effect does His death have for those that don't receive the gift?
Okay, we arent talking about the same thing. Please read the OP, Im very clear on what my objective is for Heb 2:9
But why did you feel it is necessary to make those points? What are you trying to prove by them? That's my question. You can already see that I have understood the points.
The gift of Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection, has no effect.
The question is asking about those who don't receive the gift, so it has to mean that they are those who die without receiving it. If they received it in the future "before they die" as you have said, then they wouldn't be part of the group that didn't receive the gift.
The point isn't a remedy. It's that there is no price that was paid. We can't pay God for sins.
No, we can't. But again the point is that there isn't a price we can pay. People sin and they die.
Time on earth isn't temporary. Those who receive life at the Resurrection will be on earth for eternity. But again, the point is that if a price was paid the sinners debt would be wiped out and he should not die.
Really, where do you see that? There is only physical death. Everyone dies once, that is the first death. Then comes the Resurrection, those raised to life will live, those raised to condemnation will die again, that is the second death.
The gift is on the table, and all they have to do is accept it.
They don't die if they quit committing sin.
That doesn't answer the question.
It's not about "getting on the bus". If there's a debt and it's paid, the sinner shouldn't have to pay it also. If death is a payment to God for sin, which is how many see it, and Jesus paid it, then the sinner shouldn't have to pay it also. If, as many claim, Jesus death paid a sin debt to God for the sinner the debt is paid and the sinner has no further obligation. However, the sinner still dies, thus paying again an already paid debt. It doesn't work and it doesn't make sense. Thus, it isn't a debt. Jesus didn't pay a sin debt to God. That idea, in Penal Atonement, just doesn't work
The gift was given, but they refused it.
If you don't file for a tax refund, you don't receive it.
That's not the issue. Whether we die or not isn't an option. Everyone dies. If that death was paid for we wouldn't die. It has nothing to do with receiving anything. If there was a debt to be paid and it was paid, man wouldn't die. Even Christians who claim their debt is paid still die. If their debt was paid they wouldn't die.
Hi SZ....
I see that you still haven't seen the question because you are only seeing the doctrine, so perhaps it will help if I can show the question as a purely logical expression in a graphic:
Why on earth did you approach me then?
I dispute that claim, and you should already have known that.
Can you please show that scripture?
You don't think that is explained by Matthew 26:59-68?
Can you prove that? I don't recall those particular words being said. I remember that He called to mind the prophecy of Psalms 22 in those moments to bring about the fulfilment of that scripture (Luke 24:44).
Well it is clear that you haven't considered the scriptures that it is inconsistent with (nor have you asked to see them), and I can see that you have been conditioned by the views of PSA to only be able to comprehend the scriptures according to the context of it.
Yes, the truth always makes good logical sense, which is one way to identify truth from error. Problem with that approach though is intellectual dishonesty. When someone believes their salvation depends on the belief of a certain doctrine, then the doctrine itself must be guarded from the truth - hence, the "twisting" of scripture.
I find that all the time. Sometimes I wonder how the Reformers ever came up with this idea. After all it is illogical.