Is the vaccine effective?

[Drew]

Government transporting tens of thousands of unvaccinated illegal aliens and placing them all over the country.

How is this relevant to the matter of the effectiveness of the vaccine?

 

[JLB]

Where, and please be specific, in the video is there any credible statement to the effect that "thousands of cases of paralysis" are being caused by the vaccine?

Based on all the data I have reviewed over the last few months as well as discussed with members of my family as statements made by nurses and doctors, there are thousands of adverse side effects being reported by people all over the world.

The info doesn’t just come from one video clip.

No one should base their conclusions off of one video clip.


The vaccine has proven to fatal for some people while not fatale for others.

Im not interested in flipping a coin with my life or my families life.




Jesus says it this way —

• Those who are well have no need of a physician,

JLB

 

[Drew]

It is however NOT appropriate to state that a video is invalid.... once AGAIN you have slammed the video without commenting on the subject matter within....

I watched the video. It demonstrates that one expert has concerns about the vaccine.

Just like I am sure we can find one expert who does not believe that smoking causes cancer.

This is not news.

 

[Adoration]

I watched the video. It demonstrates that one expert has concerns about the vaccine.

NO it does not... LOL... You obviously did not watch the video... Sorry... I'm done with you... I am trying to be nice here... but you give me no choice.

 

[Drew]

It is however NOT appropriate to state that a video is invalid simply because you do not like it... or as I suspect ... have not even viewed it..... once AGAIN you have slammed the video without commenting on the subject matter within.... You continue to deflect..

All right, let's get into the video:

People under 50 who fundamentally have no health risks, there’s no scientific rationale for them to ever become vaccinated,” Dr Peter McCullough says in testimony to the Senate of the US state of Texas around the 13-minute mark of this video.

What do other experts say about this claim?

The CDC says on its website that risk of severe disease from the novel coronavirus increases with age, but National Center for Health Statistics data shows that people under age 50 account for four percent of deaths involving Covid-19.

And a March 26, 2021 article in Science also found that by mid-August 2020 “the resurgence in the United States was largely driven by adults 20 to 49 years of age.”

Olivier Schwartz, head of the Virus and Immunity Unit at the Pasteur Institute, told AFP by phone: “It is obvious that people under 50 who are in good health should be vaccinated” because they can still be affected by the disease.

Bruno Lina, professor of virology at the University of Lyon, said that the aim of a mass vaccination campaign is to reduce the transmission of a virus.

This would not be effective if only people over 50 years old received the vaccine. That is less than half the population, and “under these conditions, we will never slow down the circulation of the virus,” he said.

Both Schwartz and Lina said that while the Covid-19 vaccines currently authorized cannot guarantee that a person will not catch the disease, they have been shown to lessen symptoms and prevent death.

Lina also explained that if a vaccinated person does contract Covid-19, the amount of virus present compared to an unvaccinated person is “16 times less,” reducing the likelihood of transmission.

AFP Fact Check has debunked other claims that vaccination against Covid-19 is unnecessary or should be halted from medical professionals from Texas, Canada and Belgium.

 

[JLB]

How is this relevant to the matter of the effectiveness of the vaccine?

It’s very relevant.


Distributing hundreds of thousands of unvaccinated illegal aliens across the country while demanding that US citizens must become vaccinated is extremely suspicious to me.


I live in Texas, a state that is directly affected by illegal aliens pouring across our border.

 

[JLB]

From the text summarizing the video itself:

A presentation was made to the National Adverse Event Following Immunisation (AEFI) Committee during a meeting held on March 31 over the number of deaths, AEFI hospitalisations and severe AEFI post vaccination against coronavirus in the country. However, the data does not reflect if the deaths were caused due to the vaccine. In this video, we have taken data from various media reports published on April 9. Watch the video for more.

Let us be clear: many many people are going to die "after" the vaccine! Correlation is not causation.

Did you see where 75% of the deaths occurred within three days after taking the vaccine?


Thats risky.


Each person should be able to do their own research and evaluate the data based on their their own age and medical history to see if they believe taking the COVID vaccine or any other medication for that matter, without being coerced by the government.

 

[Drew]

Based on all the data I have reviewed over the last few months as well as discussed with members of my family as statements made by nurses and doctors, there are thousands of adverse side effects being reported by people all over the world.

The info doesn’t just come from one video clip.

No one should base their conclusions off of one video clip.


The vaccine has proven to fatal for some people while not fatale for others.

Im not interested in flipping a coin with my life or my families life.




Jesus says it this way —

• Those who are well have no need of a physician,

JLB

Everyone knows that there are adverse events! This is not news. And yes, we all know that some people have been killed by the vaccine.

Just like some people are killed by seatbelts - does this mean we should not use seat belts?

The inconvenient truth is that the evidence shows the benefits of the vaccine greatly outweigh the risks.

Now about your quoting Jesus. It seems that you are implying that Jesus would believe smokers do not need to heed the advice of physicians since the person who gets lung cancer at 60 is "well" during the 40 years they spent puffing away from age 20 to age 60.

 

[Drew]

It’s very relevant.


Distributing hundreds of thousands of unvaccinated illegal aliens across the country while demanding that US citizens must become vaccinated is extremely suspicious to me.


I live in Texas, a state that is directly affected by illegal aliens pouring across our border.

It is not obviously not relevant - the issue is how effective the vaccine is, not the politics.

 

[Drew]

Did you see where 75% of the deaths occurred within three days after taking the vaccine?


Thats risky.

No, your reasoning is not correct.

Look: millions and millions of people are getting vaccinated. And, every day, thousands of people are going to die for a whole host of reasons that have nothing to do with the vaccine: heart attack, cancer, accidents.

Let me illustrate by example. Suppose 1 million people get vaccinated on Monday. Surely you have to acknowledge that some of these people - say 100 of them - will die by Wednesday whether or not they took the vaccine! Lots of people die every day for many different reasons!

If you can show that the rate of death three days later is increased from it nominal rate, then you might have a point.

 

[JLB]

I have posted enough for a while.


I just want people to be aware and make a good decision based on their own health and age.


JLB

 

[Isilwen]

Those who are well have no need of a physician,

You need to add the rest of the verse.

Here it is for all to see: When Jesus heard it, He said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”

He was speaking spiritually.

We cannot get into it fully here, but there is another thread that this can be discussed on. You can find it here:

Preventive Health Care ?

A blood test for thyroid and diabetes is a good idea. And blood pressure should be measured on a regular basis. Yes , and I recommend everyone have their own device to check their blood pressure at home . I'm not sure that any bloodwork would have caught my gall bladder issue as it was at the...

christianforums.net

I just wanted to make sure the whole verse was posted this time.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

We have been through this many times. First, the vaccines are not 100% effective. So unvaccinated people are a threat to the vaccinated. Second, the more unvaccinated people there are, the greater the likelihood that a variant will emerge against which the vaccine will not be effective. Third, unvaccinated people needlessly divert health care resources.

So, yes, the vaccinated have several legitimate reasons to be concerned about the unvaccinated.

Where did this virus come from?
Doctors?
Medical scientists?
Who unleashed this Pandora's Box?
And now how many billions of dollars are they making from it?

 

[Isilwen]

Where did this virus come from?
Doctors?
Medical scientists?
Who unleashed this Pandora's Box?
And now how many billions of dollars are they making from it?

This would be going off-topic.

 

[crossnote]

You are the one who said “experts are divided”.

That is simply not true.

But, obviously, if almost all trained experts believe that vaccination is good, it is much more likely that this is true than if only 50% of such experiments believed vaccination is good.

Almost all trained experts believe smoking cause cancer. By your reasoning, we should not trust them.

Is that a position you really want to own?

I told you in post #452 I was done with this thread. Why do you keep egging me on?

 

[Blessed One]

I believe I got Covid 19 back in January of 2020. This was before Covid was even a big deal. I had been in the presence of someone who obviously had the flu, a few days earlier. I started having flu-like symptoms and knew whatever was in me was nothing to be taken lightly. I begged God to take whatever was in me away. In my minds eye, I saw something, with what looked like suction cups, being removed from my body. Later on, I saw the pictures of what the virus looked like and realized there was a great deal of similarity in what I saw and the covid virus representation. The illness never progressed. God healed me.

 

[crossnote]

You offer a false choice, as if we have to choose between promoting the vaccine - a position completely in line with our mandate as Christians - and preaching a more general gospel of repentance.

And how is vaccine refusal not sin? The best evidence we have overwhelmingly shows it saves lives and reduces needless suffering. To refuse the vaccine is to actively participate in promoting death and suffering.

How is that not sin?

I told you in the post you here quoted, I was done with this thread. If you keep egging me on, I will report you.

 

[Blessed One]

I cannot wrap my mind around anyone still thinking that Covid 19 is a lie. So many people have died. So many have lost friends and family to this disease. My daughter who is much more familiar with social media, told me to ignore statements that are preposterous because sometimes people are just seeking attention. In order for Covid 19 to be a lie, it would involve A WORLD CONSPIRACY . I do not think there is any country which has not reported having Covid cases. Anyway, I am not interested in having a debate on this subject...God gave us free will to believe whatever we want to believe. God is ALL POWERFUL and is able to remove this disease from the planet. However, we have to pray.

 

[hawkman]

I am not sure what you mean by "coerced" - I see no evidence that the government is planning to force anyone to take the vaccine.

From the link I will post . Seems this would mean get the vaccine or leave the military IF it happens .

"Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin has said he is working expeditiously to make the COVID-19 vaccine mandatory for military personnel and is expected to ask Biden to waive a federal law that requires individuals be given a choice if the vaccine is not fully licensed."

https://abc7chicago.com/military-va...or-troops-unvaccinated-mandatory-us/10934497/

 

[hawkman]

I believe I got Covid 19 back in January of 2020. This was before Covid was even a big deal. I had been in the presence of someone who obviously had the flu, a few days earlier. I started having flu-like symptoms and knew whatever was in me was nothing to be taken lightly. I begged God to take whatever was in me away. In my minds eye, I saw something, with what looked like suction cups, being removed from my body. Later on, I saw the pictures of what the virus looked like and realized there was a great deal of similarity in what I saw and the covid virus representation. The illness never progressed. God healed me.

Praise God for your healing ! Also read this link that would apply to you . Welcome to CFnet !

COVID-19: SARS-CoV-2 antibodies remain stable for 7 months after infection, says study

Healthcare workers' IgG antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 remain constant seven months after infection, as per a study published in the journal Nature Communications

www.republicworld.com