Gehenna Is That Hell on Earth

[Golgotha]

Matthew 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Matthew 18:7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! 8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. 9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

Textus Receptus Greek Text King James Bible With Strongs Dictionary

You can check for yourself for that Greek word "yeeva" or "geena" before it was translated into English. Scroll down on the left column to Matthew to click on the numbered chapter that you want to view.

Strong's Concordance has made an error in this definition "of Hebrew origin (1516 and Hinnom 2011); valley of (the son of) Hinnom; ge-henna (or Ge-Hinnom), a valley of Jerusalem, used (figuratively) as a name for the place (or state) of everlasting punishment:--hell."

It depends on how one reads it because a lot of believers are referring to that hell or even as that lake of fire from those passages pertaining to the afterlife, but since Jesus referred to that place that is on earth, then He is not referring to the afterlife of hell and the lake of fire, but that hell or that fire coming on earth that saved but not abiding believers would be at risk in being cast into.

You will see it for Matthew 5:29-30 for what hell was derived from and you will see it in Matthew 18:9 from where hell fire is derived from, but the kicker is in Matthew 18:8 where everlasting fire is derived from aiwnioV or aionios whic is defined by Strong's Concordance as "from aiwn - aion 165; perpetual (also used of past time, or past and future as well):--eternal, for ever, everlasting, world (began)."

It is no wonder believers read that into yeeva or geena for the after life from that Matthew 18:8 above but again I point out that is how Gehenna is described in scriptures and that is on earth. If you consider the fire that is coming on the earth in Luke 12:49 & Revelation 8:7 & 2 Peter 3:3-13, for how there will be dead bodies left unburied in fallen Babylon Revelation 18:1-24, that is very much like Gehenna on earth.

Now while this is going on in that third part of the world ( * the western hemisphere as USA is that fallen Babylon, for how else can the rest of the armies of the world be prophesied as marching against Jerusalem at the end of the great tribulation? ) when Jesus comes back at the end of the great tribulation in defeating the world's armies and Satan is in the pit for a thousand years, there will be a new heavens and a new earth for why that Gehenna or that everlasting fire will end on earth.

So that Gehenna at which saved but unrepentant believers that are being cast into, is that hell or that fire that is coming on the earth.

 

[grumix8]

Hell does not exist or Gehenna even tho there was misconception of Hades and Gehenna. We die but our soulg goes to G-d he is breath of life that descends from him that gives life. Jesus is comingback and he's breath will revive us. No hell exist or gehenna.

 

[Golgotha]

Hell doesn not exist or Gehenna even tho there was misconceotion of Hades and Gehenna. We die but our soulg goes to G-d he is breath of life that descends from him that gives life. Jesus is comingback and he's breath will revive us. No hell exist or gehenna.

Then what was Jesus talking about in warning believers?

That is how we grow when we learn in His words in the knowledge of Him.

 

[grumix8]

Conception of hell was long before Jesus and Jesus himself says he will revive us with his word. Shout of an archangel there is so much debate we will go to hell but when G-d created earth he did not create hell and was not mention of it. He created the firmements sky, earth, and waters no hell there.

Let me look at pastor of A video I saw and was talking about what your saying and this misconception gonna write later.

 

[Golgotha]

Conception of hell was long before Jesus and Jesus himself says he will revive us with his word. Shout of an archangel there is so much debate we will go to hell but when G-d created earth he did not create hell and was not mention of it. He created the firmements sky, earth, and waters no hell there.

Let me look at pastor of A video I saw and was talking about what your saying and this misconception gonna write later.

Thank you in advance for sharing that video when you post it, God be willing.

Here is a new thread on that topic as it does prove hell exists as even Jesus referred to it about the rich man and the beggar Lazarus as referenced at the end of that OP here .

I do not believe saved believers can lose their salvation but for being in iniquity still, can be disqualified from attending the Marriage Supper in Heaven for why they are being left behind on earth as excommunicated from fellowship when that fire comes on earth.

Luke 12:40-49 & John 15:1-8 & Revelation 2:18-25 & 1 Corinthians 3:10-17 & 2 Corinthians 5:7-11 & 2 Peter 3:3-18 but keep in mind He cannot lose any saved believer per John 6:37-40.

So that race is not for obtaining salvation because we are saved for how we are in that race which is really for the high prize of our calling to be that vessel unto honor in His House to attend the Marriage Supper in Heaven 2 Timothy 2:18-21 & not be a castaway 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 & Hebrews 12:1-2. We look to Him to finish Philippians 1:6 & 2 Timothy 4:18 even in those that get left behind.

 

[hawkman]

Strong's Concordance has made an error in this definition "of Hebrew origin (1516 and Hinnom 2011); valley of (the son of) Hinnom; ge-henna (or Ge-Hinnom), a valley of Jerusalem, used (figuratively) as a name for the place (or state) of everlasting punishment:--hell."

Have you contacted the publishers of Strong's Concordance so that they can correct the error you have found ? If not , why not ?

 

[Golgotha]

Have you contacted the publishers of Strong's Concordance so that they can correct the error you have found ? If not , why not ?

I was never led by the Lord to nor even led by Him to consider that.

When I try to correct Billy Graham's Association, or any church, it seems like a wall. Somebody else or the middle man is between you & the people you need to contact. Can you imagine trying to contact the people actually behind Strong's Concordance to consider the correction? I would not know where to begin, but if they have people to answer for them, I can imagine how they would scoff at any corrections coming their way that they would just thank me and have a nice day sort of thing just so not to bother the people in charge.

Do you agree with what I had shared? If not, why would you think they would, even if I get through?

A lot of believers still believe Gehenna as referenced by Jesus is to hell or the lake of fire. That belief is read because the English Bible said so & Strong's Concordance seem to agree with that belief for us to read it as defined everlasting fire in Matthew 18:8

If you know how to contact the necessary people to make that correction, let me know.

 

[hawkman]

If you know how to contact the necessary people to make that correction, let me know.

Contact the publisher of the Strong's Concordance you are using . There should be contact info in the first few pages .

Do you agree with what I had shared?

I have about ALL the info I need on hell . I know that is a place where The Father , The Son and The Holy Ghost are NOT going to be and I want to be where they are , don't you ?

 

[Golgotha]

Contact the publisher of the Strong's Concordance you are using . There should be contact info in the first few pages

I shall see, God be willing, when I am done answering my alerts & any other posting the Lord would have me do first.

I have about ALL the info I need on hell . I know that is a place where The Father , The Son and The Holy Ghost are NOT going to be and I want to be where they are , don't you ?

Yes, but not sure if His omnipresence is limited from hell and the lake of fire since Jesus has the keys to hell and death & God is assuring His judgment to keep them there as He is assuring His promise of living with God forever.

Revelation 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

 

[stovebolts]

Matthew 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Matthew 18:7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! 8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. 9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

Textus Receptus Greek Text King James Bible With Strongs Dictionary

You can check for yourself for that Greek word "yeeva" or "geena" before it was translated into English. Scroll down on the left column to Matthew to click on the numbered chapter that you want to view.

Strong's Concordance has made an error in this definition "of Hebrew origin (1516 and Hinnom 2011); valley of (the son of) Hinnom; ge-henna (or Ge-Hinnom), a valley of Jerusalem, used (figuratively) as a name for the place (or state) of everlasting punishment:--hell."

It depends on how one reads it because a lot of believers are referring to that hell or even as that lake of fire from those passages pertaining to the afterlife, but since Jesus referred to that place that is on earth, then He is not referring to the afterlife of hell and the lake of fire, but that hell or that fire coming on earth that saved but not abiding believers would be at risk in being cast into.

You will see it for Matthew 5:29-30 for what hell was derived from and you will see it in Matthew 18:9 from where hell fire is derived from, but the kicker is in Matthew 18:8 where everlasting fire is derived from aiwnioV or aionios whic is defined by Strong's Concordance as "from aiwn - aion 165; perpetual (also used of past time, or past and future as well):--eternal, for ever, everlasting, world (began)."

It is no wonder believers read that into yeeva or geena for the after life from that Matthew 18:8 above but again I point out that is how Gehenna is described in scriptures and that is on earth. If you consider the fire that is coming on the earth in Luke 12:49 & Revelation 8:7 & 2 Peter 3:3-13, for how there will be dead bodies left unburied in fallen Babylon Revelation 18:1-24, that is very much like Gehenna on earth.

Now while this is going on in that third part of the world ( * the western hemisphere as USA is that fallen Babylon, for how else can the rest of the armies of the world be prophesied as marching against Jerusalem at the end of the great tribulation? ) when Jesus comes back at the end of the great tribulation in defeating the world's armies and Satan is in the pit for a thousand years, there will be a new heavens and a new earth for why that Gehenna or that everlasting fire will end on earth.

So that Gehenna at which saved but unrepentant believers that are being cast into, is that hell or that fire that is coming on the earth.

Gehenna has a long history in Jewish Culture. It’s footings begin with Solomon offering his children to Chemosh and thereby sanctioning child sacrifice for Israel. We call this systemic sin.
What does it say about a culture when a parent offers their child up as a burnt offering to appease a god?
This is the starting point if you want to understand what occurred in the valley of Hinnom

 

[Golgotha]

Gehenna has a long history in Jewish Culture. It’s footings begin with Solomon offering his children to Chemosh and thereby sanctioning child sacrifice for Israel. We call this systemic sin.

Solomon did that? I cannot see Solomon sinning against the Lord. I need a scripture reference, because of this verse below., unless you need to clarify that statement.

Jeremiah 32:35 And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.

What does it say about a culture when a parent offers their child up as a burnt offering to appease a god?

Certainly not out of love to save anyone as God has done with His Son as a ransom for many to those who believe in Him to be saved.

This is the starting point if you want to understand what occurred in the valley of Hinnom

Somehow I believe we are talking about two different things. Just because sinners did something in that valley does not relate to how Jesus would use it in warning believers to be ready or else be left behind on earth for that day of slaughter.

Jeremiah 19:6 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that this place shall no more be called Tophet, nor The valley of the son of Hinnom, but The valley of slaughter.

Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. 41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all? 42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. 45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. 49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

Sounds like Gehenna as hell on the third of the earth.

Revelation 8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. 8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; 9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. 10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. 12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise. 13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

 

[stovebolts]

Solomon did that? I cannot see Solomon sinning against the Lord. I need a scripture reference, because of this verse below., unless you need to clarify that statement.

Most people don’t know the Torah nor the culture well enough to discern 1 Kings 9-11 which for the most part is a list of dire sins Solomon committed, and there are many. This is why Ecclesiastes is considered Solomons confessions.

In regard to Gehenna, read chapter 11 and then study Molek and Chemosh and it will start to become more clear to you.

Also read 2 Kings 3

Somehow I believe we are talking about two different things. Just because sinners did something in that valley does not relate to how Jesus would use it in warning believers to be ready or else be left behind on earth for that day of slaughter.

There is a way bigger picture here that you are currently unable to see. Lord willing you will be open to learning something new that is hidden in plain sight.

You may want to remind yourself that the word hell comes from Anglo Saxon Mythology and was used to replace the Jewish word Gehenna and the Greek mythological word Hades. The amalgamation of these two words which are rich in history does a disservice to the original intent of the passages you cite.

 

[Golgotha]

Most people don’t know the Torah nor the culture well enough to discern 1 Kings 9-11 which for the most part is a list of dire sins Solomon committed, and there are many. This is why Ecclesiastes is considered Solomons confessions.

I'd provide specific chapter and verses for others rather than go "read chapters 9-11". Even a specific scriptural reference so I can click on it & see the scripture in this forum.

In regard to Gehenna, read chapter 11 and then study Molek and Chemosh and it will start to become more clear to you.

Also read 2 Kings 3

For relevancy, I refer to why Jesus referred to Gehenna and that it is known as the valley of slaughter per Jeremiah 19:6. <--- See what I did there? He did predict a slaughter in comparing to the global flood and Sodom & Gomorrah for why believers were to be ready or else. Luke 17:26-30 <---- I did it again

There is a way bigger picture here that you are currently unable to see. Lord willing you will be open to learning something new that is hidden in plain sight.

You may want to remind yourself that the word hell comes from Anglo Saxon Mythology and was used to replace the Jewish word Gehenna and the Greek mythological word Hades. The amalgamation of these two words which are rich in history does a disservice to the original intent of the passages you cite.

I do not believe Gehenna ever meant to refer to the afterlife but hell on earth that is coming after the rapture for why believers are to be ready or else.

Do provide the specific scripture because as I was reading chapter 9, I remember that I did not like believers nor mockers sending me on a wild goose chase because this has happened many times before and they get a kick out of wasting my time.

I hope you are not doing that but you would do me a service by citing scriptural references that cites Solomon's sins rather than have me go read chapters in looking for it. Plus I have read Ecclesiastes and I never read that as a confession of Solomon's but as the wisdom of Solomon for why he was considered the wisest king.

Thank you in advance for sharing.

 

[stovebolts]

I'd provide specific chapter and verses for others rather than go "read chapters 9-11". Even a specific scriptural reference so I can click on it & see the scripture in this forum.

Sure, I can do that.

For relevancy, I refer to why Jesus referred to Gehenna and that it is known as the valley of slaughter per Jeremiah 19:6. <--- See what I did there? He did predict a slaughter in comparing to the global flood and Sodom & Gomorrah for why believers were to be ready or else. Luke 17:26-30 <---- I did it again

You don't know the history of Gehenna, which is what I am trying to get you to want to learn.

I do not believe Gehenna ever meant to refer to the afterlife but hell on earth that is coming after the rapture for why believers are to be ready or else.

I understand. If you will read scripture as a story, then you will see how Gehenna not only points to the physical, but also the spiritual (aka afterlife). Let's build a solid base before we go into end times matters, such as the rapture for now.

Do provide the specific scripture because as I was reading chapter 9, I remember that I did not like believers nor mockers sending me on a wild goose chase because this has happened many times before and they get a kick out of wasting my time.

Reading scripture should never be a waste of time, and I did not send you on a wild goose chase. I was hoping you would read chapter 11 and it would be apparent. Again, it was not to send you on a goose chase, but rather it was to get you to read it as a story and not a data point.

Plus I have read Ecclesiastes and I never read that as a confession of Solomon's but as the wisdom of Solomon for why he was considered the wisest king.

The thing about wisdom, is that it is most often gained through our trials...

While not exhaustive, here are a handful of Solomon's sins from 1 Kings 9-11.

1 Kings 9:1-9 sets the stage. 1 Kings 11:1-12 ends the dialog. Most everything between the starting verses to the ending verses listed are the sins of Solomon. Again, you need to know the Sinia law and the law of Moses to understand when sins are committed as many of them are not obvious. You also need to know Genesis, but especially Exodus as a story. Exodus is about identity first, and redemption last... These are the names... That's how Exodus starts. It's about finding yourself in exile but never losing your identity. While Israel got "lost" in Egypt, they never truly lost their identity. But I degress, lets talk about Solomon.

For example:
1 Kings 10:28-29 And Solomon had horses brought out of Egypt, and Kue: the king's merchants received them from Kue at a price. And a chariot was imported from Egypt for six hundred shekels of silver, and a horse for a hundred and fifty: and so to all the kings of the Hittites, and to the kings of Syria, did they export them by their merchants.
From a glance, you won't see any issues, right?
Lets take a closer look at this from the perspective of 1 Kings 9:1-9.
Aside from what I will write below, Solomon is an arms dealer. He is profiting from war machines...

Regarding when Israel sets a King for themselves, Moses writes (Law of Moses)
Deuteronomy 17:16 But he shall not multiply horses to himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt, to the end that he should multiply horses: forasmuch as the LORD hath said unto you, Ye shall henceforth return no more that way.

Now, if you will read 1 Kings 9 - 11, you may also find these commandments broken...
Deuteronomy 17:17 Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold.
Deuteronomy 17:20 That his heart be not lifted up above his brethren, and that he turn not aside from the commandment, to the right hand, or to the left: to the end that he may prolong his days in his kingdom, he, and his children, in the midst of Israel.

Regarding Deuteronomy 17:17 , we see this.
1 Kings 11:1 But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites;
But there is more...
1 Kings 11:2-3 Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love. And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.
Sounds like trouble is brewing... And it's pretty clear that Solomon is sinning against the Law of Moses.
But wait, and here is where we see Solomon offering his own children as sacrafice to the gods.

1 Kings 11:7-8 Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon. And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods.

I do hate skipping the story just to provide you specific verses to view. And I do hope that you will go back and read Deuteronomy 17 in full, study it and know it. Then, come back to 1 Kings 9-11 and the sins of Solomon will be more clear to you.

Here is what Scripture has to say about Chemosh.
2 Kings 3:27 Then he took his eldest son that should have reigned in his stead, and offered him for a burnt offering upon the wall. And there was great indignation against Israel: and they departed from him, and returned to their own land.

What we see above that Solomon sanctioned child sacrifice for Israel and set a presidency for future kings of Israel. This is affirmed in the below passage. Again, I would hope that you take the time to really, really read the entire story and not just use these passages as proof text.

Also, notice where this takes place.

2 Chronicles 28:1-4 Ahaz was twenty years old when he began to reign, and he reigned sixteen years in Jerusalem: but he did not that which was right in the sight of the LORD, like David his father: For he walked in the ways of the kings of Israel, and made also molten images for Baalim. Moreover he burnt incense in the valley of the son of Hinnom, and burnt his children in the fire, after the abominations of the heathen whom the LORD had cast out before the children of Israel. He sacrificed also and burnt incense in the high places, and on the hills, and under every green tree.

These are the things Jeremiah writes about.

What we see is that the valley of Hinnom was a physical place, and it was sanctioned by Solomon. Again, we call this systemic sin. It's when the leaders are promoting sin and the people are following their leaders example.

This was also true in Jesus days with Herod. Herod had no business being king for numerous reasons but primarily because he was not from the tribe of Judah. And like Solomon, Herod built many great buildings in Israel which included renovating the Temple. But again, if you understand the Torah, you can see how Herod desecrated the physical temple by the way he remodeled it etc. But that is for a later discussion.

As Israel finds herself in Exile, they see Gehenna not only as a physical state, but as a spiritual state as well. Remember, our God reveals himself to us as we matures and Israel matures in Exile which is where the valley of Hinnon starts to take on a spiritual aspect to which Jesus writes about in modern Israel where the name gets changed to Gehenna which not only represents a physical plot of land with a rich history, but it also takes on a spiritual state, which is why I asked you an earlier question.

"What does it say about a culture (Early Israel) when a parent offers their child up as a burnt offering to appease a god?"

I hope the little I have written will inspire you to really dig in and read your bible as a story. Open yourself up and let it speak to you.

God Bless,
Jeff

 

[Golgotha]

While not exhaustive, here are a handful of Solomon's sins from 1 Kings 9-11.

1 Kings 9:1-9 sets the stage. 1 Kings 11:1-12 ends the dialog. Most everything between the starting verses to the ending verses listed are the sins of Solomon. Again, you need to know the Sinia law and the law of Moses to understand when sins are committed as many of them are not obvious. You also need to know Genesis, but especially Exodus as a story. Exodus is about identity first, and redemption last... These are the names... That's how Exodus starts. It's about finding yourself in exile but never losing your identity. While Israel got "lost" in Egypt, they never truly lost their identity. But I degress, lets talk about Solomon.

Those scriptural references helped edify me in the knowledge that Solomon had sinned against God. Thanks. They were enough to help me see the truth in what you say in His words.

For example:
1 Kings 10:28-29 And Solomon had horses brought out of Egypt, and Kue: the king's merchants received them from Kue at a price. And a chariot was imported from Egypt for six hundred shekels of silver, and a horse for a hundred and fifty: and so to all the kings of the Hittites, and to the kings of Syria, did they export them by their merchants.
From a glance, you won't see any issues, right?
Lets take a closer look at this from the perspective of 1 Kings 9:1-9.
Aside from what I will write below, Solomon is an arms dealer. He is profiting from war machines...

Regarding when Israel sets a King for themselves, Moses writes (Law of Moses)
Deuteronomy 17:16 But he shall not multiply horses to himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt, to the end that he should multiply horses: forasmuch as the LORD hath said unto you, Ye shall henceforth return no more that way.

Now, if you will read 1 Kings 9 - 11, you may also find these commandments broken...
Deuteronomy 17:17 Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold.
Deuteronomy 17:20 That his heart be not lifted up above his brethren, and that he turn not aside from the commandment, to the right hand, or to the left: to the end that he may prolong his days in his kingdom, he, and his children, in the midst of Israel.

Regarding Deuteronomy 17:17 , we see this.
1 Kings 11:1 But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites;
But there is more...
1 Kings 11:2-3 Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love. And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.
Sounds like trouble is brewing... And it's pretty clear that Solomon is sinning against the Law of Moses.
But wait, and here is where we see Solomon offering his own children as sacrafice to the gods.

1 Kings 11:7-8 Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon. And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods.

Thank you very much to referencing Solomon's sins. God be willing, I shall have to read the Book of Ecclesiastes to see how they are seen as confessions of Solomon.

I do hate skipping the story just to provide you specific verses to view. And I do hope that you will go back and read Deuteronomy 17 in full, study it and know it. Then, come back to 1 Kings 9-11 and the sins of Solomon will be more clear to you.

I had thought he was the wisest king, because of Ecclesiastes but no. Sinning like that? Nope. My memory recollection about that book is now in question.

Here is what Scripture has to say about Chemosh.
2 Kings 3:27 Then he took his eldest son that should have reigned in his stead, and offered him for a burnt offering upon the wall. And there was great indignation against Israel: and they departed from him, and returned to their own land.

What we see above that Solomon sanctioned child sacrifice for Israel and set a presidency for future kings of Israel. This is affirmed in the below passage. Again, I would hope that you take the time to really, really read the entire story and not just use these passages as proof text.

Also, notice where this takes place.

2 Chronicles 28:1-4 Ahaz was twenty years old when he began to reign, and he reigned sixteen years in Jerusalem: but he did not that which was right in the sight of the LORD, like David his father: For he walked in the ways of the kings of Israel, and made also molten images for Baalim. Moreover he burnt incense in the valley of the son of Hinnom, and burnt his children in the fire, after the abominations of the heathen whom the LORD had cast out before the children of Israel. He sacrificed also and burnt incense in the high places, and on the hills, and under every green tree.

Eye opener for sure.

These are the things Jeremiah writes about.

What we see is that the valley of Hinnom was a physical place, and it was sanctioned by Solomon. Again, we call this systemic sin. It's when the leaders are promoting sin and the people are following their leaders example.

I point out what Jeremiah referred to that valley of Hinnon as the valley of slaughter as the Lord said to call it.

Jeremiah 19:6 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that this place shall no more be called Tophet, nor The valley of the son of Hinnom, but The valley of slaughter.

It is that reference for why Jesus referred to that place, the valley of slaughter, that unrepentant canal believers & former believers will find themselves cast into on earth for doing these things in Matthew 5:29-30 Matthew 18:7-9.

Revelation 18:1-24 note the last verse of dead saints in that fallen Babylon. When that fire comes on a third of the earth, that will be the place of fire & slaughter; Revelation 8:7-13 This is why Jesus was warning His disciples to be ready to escape from that fire He is sending on the earth Luke 12:40-49 and why Peter exhorted believers to endure to the end to be saved from 2 Peter 3:3-18

This was also true in Jesus days with Herod. Herod had no business being king for numerous reasons but primarily because he was not from the tribe of Judah. And like Solomon, Herod built many great buildings in Israel which included renovating the Temple. But again, if you understand the Torah, you can see how Herod desecrated the physical temple by the way he remodeled it etc. But that is for a later discussion.

Okay, God be willing.

As Israel finds herself in Exile, they see Gehenna not only as a physical state, but as a spiritual state as well.

I do not see how.

Remember, our God reveals himself to us as we matures and Israel matures in Exile which is where the valley of Hinnon starts to take on a spiritual aspect to which Jesus writes about in modern Israel where the name gets changed to Gehenna which not only represents a physical plot of land with a rich history, but it also takes on a spiritual state, which is why I asked you an earlier question.

Not sold on that since the Lord in O.T. said to call it the valley of slaughter" and so I believe Jesus is referencing Gehenna as the land of slaughter on earth that believes should be abiding in Him for to avoid being left behind. Luke 12:40-49 & John 15:1-8 again.

"What does it say about a culture (Early Israel) when a parent offers their child up as a burnt offering to appease a god?"

Not abiding in the Lord, that is for sure.

I hope the little I have written will inspire you to really dig in and read your bible as a story. Open yourself up and let it speak to you.

God Bless,
Jeff

Hope in the Lord to help me read the Book of Ecclesiastes but this time look for the confessions of Solomon in it. I have read it several times, and I never read it in that way. So may the Lord help me to see it and grow in the knowledge of Him.

Thank you for your time and service for sharing in His words.

 

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Strong's Exhaustive Concordance: Hell
Hebrew # 7585 Sheol, Hades, or the world of the dead, grave, hell, pit
Greek # 86 place of departed souls, grave, hell
Greek # 1067 Gehenna, the Valley of the sons of Hinnom South of Jerusalem, figuratively and literal of place of punishment.
Greek # 5020. Tartaroo tar-tar-o'-o from Tartaros (the deepest abyss of Hades); to incarcerate in eternal torment:--cast down to hell.

Gehenna - Valley of Hinnom, Old Testament as Gai Ben-Hinnom, Tophet, in the Talmud as Gehinnam

The oldest historical reference to the valley is found in Joshua 15:8, 18:16 which describe tribal boundaries. The next chronological reference to the valley is at the time of King Ahaz of Judah who sacrificed his sons there according to 2 Chronicles 28:3. Isaiah does not mention Gehenna by name, but the burning place, Isaiah 30:33 in which the Assyrian army are to be destroyed, may be read Topheth, and the final verse of Isaiah which concerns the corpses of the same or a similar battle, Isaiah 66:24 , where their worm does not die. Also read Jeremiah 19:6-8 as a reference to the dead bodies that are thrown over the wall of Jerusalem into Gehenna/Tophet.
(Part of this is from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehenna and the last part starting with Jeremiah 19:6-8 is my own writing.)

Flavius Josephus describes in his book of wars:
Now the seditious at first gave orders that the dead should be buried out of the public treasury, as not enduring the stench of their dead bodies. But afterwards, when they could not do that, they had them cast down from the walls into the valleys beneath. (War 5.12.3).

Matthew 5:29, 30; Mark 9:43-48 Jesus uses the prophetic symbolic of Gehenna as calling it hell or fires of hell meaning the grave/pit where many were burned to death there as the worm did not die there, meaning that there were always new maggots going through their life-cycles, feeding on the dead corpse. Also note Isaiah 66:24.

 

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Strong's Exhaustive Concordance: Hell
Hebrew # 7585 Sheol, Hades, or the world of the dead, grave, hell, pit
Greek # 86 place of departed souls, grave, hell

Greek # 1067 Gehenna, the Valley of the sons of Hinnom South of Jerusalem, figuratively and literal of place of punishment.

Which I believe why the translated word hell is to be understood as hell on earth.

Greek # 5020. Tartaroo tar-tar-o'-o from Tartaros (the deepest abyss of Hades); to incarcerate in eternal torment:--cast down to hell.

Gehenna - Valley of Hinnom, Old Testament as Gai Ben-Hinnom, Tophet, in the Talmud as Gehinnam

The oldest historical reference to the valley is found in Joshua 15:8, 18:16 which describe tribal boundaries. The next chronological reference to the valley is at the time of King Ahaz of Judah who sacrificed his sons there according to 2 Chronicles 28:3. Isaiah does not mention Gehenna by name, but the burning place, Isaiah 30:33 in which the Assyrian army are to be destroyed, may be read Topheth, and the final verse of Isaiah which concerns the corpses of the same or a similar battle, Isaiah 66:24 , where their worm does not die.

Okay.

Also read Jeremiah 19:6-8 as a reference to the dead bodies that are thrown over the wall of Jerusalem into Gehenna/Tophet.
(Part of this is from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehenna and the last part starting with Jeremiah 19:6-8 is my own writing.)

Symbolic for what Jesus Christ is using that term for when casting out carnal saints & former believers as disqualified outside the City of God at the rapture event as left behind on earth to face the coming slaughter by fire & the war on the saints.

Flavius Josephus describes in his book of wars:
Now the seditious at first gave orders that the dead should be buried out of the public treasury, as not enduring the stench of their dead bodies. But afterwards, when they could not do that, they had them cast down from the walls into the valleys beneath. (War 5.12.3).

Interesting for a history foot note.

Matthew 5:29, 30; Mark 9:43-48 Jesus uses the prophetic symbolic of Gehenna as calling it hell or fires of hell meaning the grave/pit where many were burned to death there as the worm did not die there, meaning that there were always new maggots going through their life-cycles, feeding on the dead corpse. Also note Isaiah 66:24.

I still believe those references are not pertaining to the after life, being how Jesus referred to it as Gehenna which is a place of slaughter for why it is a hell on earth.

Thanks for sharing.

 

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Which I believe why the translated word hell is to be understood as hell on earth.

Okay.

Symbolic for what Jesus Christ is using that term for when casting out carnal saints & former believers as disqualified outside the City of God at the rapture event as left behind on earth to face the coming slaughter by fire & the war on the saints.

Interesting for a history foot note.

I still believe those references are not pertaining to the after life, being how Jesus referred to it as Gehenna which is a place of slaughter for why it is a hell on earth.

Thanks for sharing.

We have always been taught hell is a place where non-believers in God go to for eternity, but according to scripture this is not what hell is. Hell is described as the world of the dead, a place where the departed go that have died as being lowered in a grave/pit. There they are kept until the return of Christ to either stand in Gods Great White Throne judgment for those who are not found written in the Lambs Book of Life, Rev 20:11-15, or those who have died in Christ that will stand in his judgment to give an account for the things done here on earth, 2 Corinthians 5:10.

Hell is not the lake of fire as God gives us a description of the lake of fire as in fire and brimstone which can be used literal as in Sodom and Gomorrah burned to ashes and as a metaphor for torment, suffering, punishment or as Matthew 8:12 describes it as outer darkness. The New Testament description is a bottomless pit (abyss) (Revelation 20:3), a lake (Revelation 20:14), darkness (Matthew 25:30), death (Revelation 2:11), destruction (2 Thessalonians 1:9), everlasting torment (Revelation 20:10), a place of wailing and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 25:30), and a place of gradated punishment (Matthew 11:20-24; Luke 12:47-48; Revelation 20:12-13), everlasting fire Matthew 25:41, everlasting punishment, Matthew 25:46, lake of fire burning with brimstone.​

 

[Golgotha]

We have always been taught hell is a place where non-believers in God go to for eternity, but according to scripture this is not what hell is. Hell is described as the world of the dead, a place where the departed go that have died as being lowered in a grave/pit. There they are kept until the return of Christ to either stand in Gods Great White Throne judgment for those who are not found written in the Lambs Book of Life, Rev 20:11-15, or those who have died in Christ that will stand in his judgment to give an account for the things done here on earth, 2 Corinthians 5:10.

Hell is not the lake of fire as God gives us a description of the lake of fire as in fire and brimstone which can be used literal as in Sodom and Gomorrah burned to ashes and as a metaphor for torment, suffering, punishment or as Matthew 8:12 describes it as outer darkness. The New Testament description is a bottomless pit (abyss) (Revelation 20:3), a lake (Revelation 20:14), darkness (Matthew 25:30), death (Revelation 2:11), destruction (2 Thessalonians 1:9), everlasting torment (Revelation 20:10), a place of wailing and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 25:30), and a place of gradated punishment (Matthew 11:20-24; Luke 12:47-48; Revelation 20:12-13), everlasting fire Matthew 25:41, everlasting punishment, Matthew 25:46, lake of fire burning with brimstone.​

I was not meaning that hell and the lake of fire did not exists when they do, but the application of those specific verses that believers are being cast into for not abiding in Him is on earth.

When you apply the parable of the ten virgins;

Matthew 25:Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

Even those five of those ten virgins were shut out from the Marriage Supper, they were of the ten virgins making up that kingdom of heaven. They are the least in the kingdom of heaven for not being ready; Matthew 5:19 & Luke 12:40-49

 

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I was not meaning that hell and the lake of fire did not exists when they do, but the application of those specific verses that believers are being cast into for not abiding in Him is on earth.

When you apply the parable of the ten virgins;

Matthew 25:Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

Even those five of those ten virgins were shut out from the Marriage Supper, they were of the ten virgins making up that kingdom of heaven. They are the least in the kingdom of heaven for not being ready; Matthew 5:19 & Luke 12:40-49

As I already explained by the definition of hell it only means the grave we are lowered in when we die that is part of the earth.

The parable of the ten virgins means that five were prepared for the coming of Christ on the last day, not before the tribulation of the seven trumpets sounding that is taught in the false teaching of a pretrib Rapture. The other five were not prepare as being Christ own and will, like all who are not prepared, will be cast into the lake of fire as they never believed Christ.

None of the parables are to be taken literally as they are just stories to illustrate spiritual lessons told by Jesus. They are not literal happenings.