Gehenna Is That Hell on Earth

[Golgotha]

As I already explained by the definition of hell it only means the grave we are lowered in when we die that is part of the earth.

but the definition of Gehenna is not the grave but the valley of slaughter that Jesus is referring to as being on earth where the corpse are unburied.

The parable of the ten virgins means that five were prepared for the coming of Christ on the last day, not before the tribulation of the seven trumpets sounding that is taught in the false teaching of a pretrib Rapture. The other five were not prepare as being Christ own and will, like all who are not prepared, will be cast into the lake of fire as they never believed Christ.

I disagree because they were described as part of that kingdom of heaven in Matthew 25:1Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

I apply that the ten virgins are of the kingdom of heaven. Those not prepared to meet the Bridegroom will miss out on the reception part of that kingdom of heaven but they are still in that kingdom of heaven.

None of the parables are to be taken literally as they are just stories to illustrate spiritual lessons told by Jesus. They are not literal happenings.

Blessed are they that hear & see then. Just because a believer does not get it now, it does not mean he never will since even Jesus had to explain the parable of the Sower to His disciples.

 

[for_his_glory]

but the definition of Gehenna is not the grave but the valley of slaughter that Jesus is referring to as being on earth where the corpse are unburied.

I agree as I already explained this

I disagree because they were described as part of that kingdom of heaven in Matthew 25:1Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

I apply that the ten virgins are of the kingdom of heaven. Those not prepared to meet the Bridegroom will miss out on the reception part of that kingdom of heaven but they are still in that kingdom of heaven.

Do you understand what the word "liken" means? This is why Jesus used illustrations to show what He was teaching.

Blessed are they that hear & see then. Just because a believer does not get it now, it does not mean he never will since even Jesus had to explain the parable of the Sower to His disciples.

Jesus likened many things in scripture to those without understanding like Matthew 11:16 and Luke 13:18-19 for a couple examples. It's also like the parables of the hidden treasure, pearl of great price, the mustard seed as they were only illustrations of the kingdom of God.

The only reason Jesus spoke in parables is because people do not see, hear or understand that of heavenly things as even his disciples had no Spiritual knowledge of these parables until their Spiritual eyes and ears were opened for understanding..

John 3:11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
John 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

 

[Golgotha]

I agree as I already explained this

Do you understand what the word "liken" means? This is why Jesus used illustrations to show what He was teaching.

But Jesus referred all of those ten virgins as likened unto the kingdom of heaven. The metaphorical use of the ten virgins is the kingdom of heaven for being a part of it.

It is just that five were foolish to miss out on the reception in that kingdom of Heaven.

 

[stovebolts]

he only reason Jesus spoke in parables is because people do not see, hear or understand that of heavenly things as even his disciples had no Spiritual knowledge of these parables until their Spiritual eyes and ears were opened for understanding..

Parables we’re a literary device for “Stories with intent”. Every parable Jesus told was simply a mix or twist on known parables that already existed. For example, Jesus pulls off ‘17 account 9:37-42 as well as 4 Ezra 10:1 which were well known. As far as Jewish canon, Psalms 45, Song 3 and 5 as well as Isaiah 22, 61 and 62 support this parable.


Story telling is a requirement for a rabbi and there are hints of this story in the Didache as well as other Jewish writings.

I sent you a book on the parables from Snodgrass, which is the source I am pulling from now. It’s a very good book and almost exhaustive with each parable.

 

[stovebolts]

But Jesus referred all of those ten virgins as likened unto the kingdom of heaven. The metaphorical use of the ten virgins is the kingdom of heaven for being a part of it.

It is just that five were foolish to miss out on the reception in that kingdom of Heaven.

Yes, the intent of this parable is about future eschatology with an emphasis on God returning for his bride.

 

[for_his_glory]

Parables we’re a literary device for “Stories with intent”. Every parable Jesus told was simply a mix or twist on known parables that already existed. For example, Jesus pulls off ‘17 account 9:37-42 as well as 4 Ezra 10:1 which were well known. As far as Jewish canon, Psalms 45, Song 3 and 5 as well as Isaiah 22, 61 and 62 support this parable.


Story telling is a requirement for a rabbi and there are hints of this story in the Didache as well as other Jewish writings.

I sent you a book on the parables from Snodgrass, which is the source I am pulling from now. It’s a very good book and almost exhaustive with each parable.

Yes, these are stories with intent as examples as this parable is a two - stage narrative parable that serves as a warning that we need to be prepared to inherit the kingdom of God while we are still alive so that when Christ returns we will be caught up to Him.

Also took the above from this book of parables in the chapter of the parable of the rich man and Lazarus.

 

[for_his_glory]

But Jesus referred all of those ten virgins as likened unto the kingdom of heaven. The metaphorical use of the ten virgins is the kingdom of heaven for being a part of it.

It is just that five were foolish to miss out on the reception in that kingdom of Heaven.

But, Jesus only returns on the last day when the door of God's salvation will be closed forever. There are no second chances as some teach.

 

[Golgotha]

But, Jesus only returns on the last day when the door of God's salvation will be closed forever. There are no second chances as some teach.

I disagree.

It is the door to the Marriage Supper that will be closed as it will be too late for any carnal believer or former believer to partake of the firstfruits of the resurrection.

That is why those in the kingdom of heaven shall be called the least Matthew 5:19 for not being ready for why they are vessels unto dishonor but still in His House as vessels of wood & earth; 2 Timothy 2:18-21

 

[for_his_glory]

I disagree.

It is the door to the Marriage Supper that will be closed as it will be too late for any carnal believer or former believer to partake of the firstfruits of the resurrection.

That is why those in the kingdom of heaven shall be called the least Matthew 5:19 for not being ready for why they are vessels unto dishonor but still in His House as vessels of wood & earth; 2 Timothy 2:18-21

We both have different points of view in how we understand. I just do not believe in a pretrib Rapture, even though I use to at one time.

Scripture never speaks of two resurrections, but only one resurrection, John 5:28, 29 and a second death being that of death and hell being cast into the lake of fire, Rev 20:14, 15. There are two separate judgements, but only one resurrection as all will occur at the same time at the Great White Throne Judgement then will God renew the heaven and earth and usher down the New Jerusalem.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

 

[Golgotha]

We both have different points of view in how we understand. I just do not believe in a pretrib Rapture, even though I use to at one time.

Well, may the Lord help you to believe in it again for why believers should always be ready for the Bridegroom because I believe He is coming soon.

Scripture never speaks of two resurrections, but only one resurrection, John 5:28, 29 and a second death being that of death and hell being cast into the lake of fire, Rev 20:14, 15. There are two separate judgements, but only one resurrection as all will occur at the same time at the Great White Throne Judgement then will God renew the heaven and earth and usher down the New Jerusalem.

How do you align Revelation 20:1-6 which has that resurrection happening before that Great White Throne Judgment in Revelation 20:14-15? Indeed, after that resurrection, a thousand years will pass before Satan is released from the pit to stage a last rebellion for a small season and then that Great White Throne Judgement comes.

So I am not seeing what you say about there is only one resurrection as if that is only happening at the Great White Throne Judgment.

 

[for_his_glory]

Well, may the Lord help you to believe in it again for why believers should always be ready for the Bridegroom because I believe He is coming soon.

How do you align Revelation 20:1-6 which has that resurrection happening before that Great White Throne Judgment in Revelation 20:14-15? Indeed, after that resurrection, a thousand years will pass before Satan is released from the pit to stage a last rebellion for a small season and then that Great White Throne Judgement comes.

So I am not seeing what you say about there is only one resurrection as if that is only happening at the Great White Throne Judgment.

I believe all events of Rev 19:11-21 after the 3 1/2 years of the reign of the son of perdition that when Christ returns after the seventh trumpet sounding that all things will happen very quickly as it being the last day when the resurrection happens and all are judged when the books are opened.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.
A 1000 years in Rev 20 is not literal years, but only symbolic of a certain period of time as nowhere else in scripture does it mention a literal 1000 year reign of Christ here on earth, but symbolic as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.

 

[Golgotha]

I believe all events of Rev 19:11-21 after the 3 1/2 years of the reign of the son of perdition that when Christ returns after the seventh trumpet sounding that all things will happen very quickly as it being the last day when the resurrection happens and all are judged when the books are opened.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.
A 1000 years in Rev 20 is not literal years, but only symbolic of a certain period of time as nowhere else in scripture does it mention a literal 1000 year reign of Christ here on earth, but symbolic as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.

I disagree but thank you for sharing your belief.

We prophesy in part and know in part. We will know when He comes.

Right now, we should be trusting Him to have us ready as found abiding in Him, Luke 12:40-49 & John 15:1-8, as well as being willing to go, Luke 21:33-36 & Luke 14:15-24.

 

[DavidT]

Matthew 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Matthew 18:7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! 8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. 9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

Textus Receptus Greek Text King James Bible With Strongs Dictionary

You can check for yourself for that Greek word "yeeva" or "geena" before it was translated into English. Scroll down on the left column to Matthew to click on the numbered chapter that you want to view.

Strong's Concordance has made an error in this definition "of Hebrew origin (1516 and Hinnom 2011); valley of (the son of) Hinnom; ge-henna (or Ge-Hinnom), a valley of Jerusalem, used (figuratively) as a name for the place (or state) of everlasting punishment:--hell."

It depends on how one reads it because a lot of believers are referring to that hell or even as that lake of fire from those passages pertaining to the afterlife, but since Jesus referred to that place that is on earth, then He is not referring to the afterlife of hell and the lake of fire, but that hell or that fire coming on earth that saved but not abiding believers would be at risk in being cast into.

You will see it for Matthew 5:29-30 for what hell was derived from and you will see it in Matthew 18:9 from where hell fire is derived from, but the kicker is in Matthew 18:8 where everlasting fire is derived from aiwnioV or aionios whic is defined by Strong's Concordance as "from aiwn - aion 165; perpetual (also used of past time, or past and future as well):--eternal, for ever, everlasting, world (began)."

It is no wonder believers read that into yeeva or geena for the after life from that Matthew 18:8 above but again I point out that is how Gehenna is described in scriptures and that is on earth. If you consider the fire that is coming on the earth in Luke 12:49 & Revelation 8:7 & 2 Peter 3:3-13, for how there will be dead bodies left unburied in fallen Babylon Revelation 18:1-24, that is very much like Gehenna on earth.

Now while this is going on in that third part of the world ( * the western hemisphere as USA is that fallen Babylon, for how else can the rest of the armies of the world be prophesied as marching against Jerusalem at the end of the great tribulation? ) when Jesus comes back at the end of the great tribulation in defeating the world's armies and Satan is in the pit for a thousand years, there will be a new heavens and a new earth for why that Gehenna or that everlasting fire will end on earth.

So that Gehenna at which saved but unrepentant believers that are being cast into, is that hell or that fire that is coming on the earth.

I disagree, the Strong's is not in error. Jesus used the valley of Hinnom (geena) as a symbol for the future "lake of fire", not the abode of hell (haides), but the "lake of fire" destruction that is to happen at the end of the future 1,000 years of Revelation 20.

The valley of Hinnom was an area outside Jerusalem where garbage perpetually burned, and it was also a place where Judah fallen in idol worship sacrificed their children in that fire, per Jeremiah 19:3-6.

After Jesus returns in our near future, and after the 1,000 years reign of Rev.20, will that actual area on earth be used to cast Satan, death, and hell into it and perish? Don't know yet. We'll see.

 

[Golgotha]

I disagree, the Strong's is not in error. Jesus used the valley of Hinnom (geena) as a symbol for the future "lake of fire", not the abode of hell (haides), but the "lake of fire" destruction that is to happen at the end of the future 1,000 years of Revelation 20.

The valley of Hinnom was an area outside Jerusalem where garbage perpetually burned, and it was also a place where Judah fallen in idol worship sacrificed their children in that fire, per Jeremiah 19:3-6.

After Jesus returns in our near future, and after the 1,000 years reign of Rev.20, will that actual area on earth be used to cast Satan, death, and hell into it and perish? Don't know yet. We'll see.

Since Gehenna is a place referenced on earth by the Lord as the valley of slaughter in Jeremiah 19:6 then why would Jesus refer to Gehenna towards the after life when He is warning believers ( Matthew 5:21-32 ) that if they do not repent, they will be left behind for when that fiery calamity ( Luke 12:40-49 & 2 Peter 3:3-18 ) hits a third of the earth ( Revelation 8:7-13 ) where there will be another place of slaughter with left behind saints in it. Revelation 18:1-24 ?

 

[DavidT]

Since Gehenna is a place referenced on earth by the Lord as the valley of slaughter in Jeremiah 19:6 then why would Jesus refer to Gehenna towards the after life when He is warning believers ( Matthew 5:21-32 )....

Sounds like you think Christ's future Kingdom is going to be away from this earth. Not so.

...that if they do not repent, they will be left behind for when that fiery calamity ( Luke 12:40-49 & 2 Peter 3:3-18 ) hits a third of the earth ( Revelation 8:7-13 ) where there will be another place of slaughter with left behind saints in it. Revelation 18:1-24 ?

I don't think you understand about God's consuming fire that Lord Jesus and Peter spoke of either. God is not going to literally turn this earth into an asteroid belt. Zechariah 14 reveals that on the day of Christ's return, He is coming to the Mount of Olives where He ascended to heaven from, and, He is bringing all His faithful saints with Him there, as written. So that certainly is not about a destroyed earth.

Only once we have studied all of God's Word do we begin to get a sense of metaphors and analogies that God uses to get His point across. The event of His consuming fire on the last day of this earth will indeed literaly end... this present world, and reveal to all the world to come. Some earth changes will happen on that day also. And everyone still alive on earth will be revealed 'at the twinkling of an eye' in their "spiritual body", on the "last trump", along with those of the resurrection.

It sounds like you believe in a pre-trib rapture theory, which is where the wrong thinking about left-behind comes from. Per Lord Jesus' answer in Luke 17:37 and Matthew 24:28, the 1st ones 'taken' are to wheresoever the fowls are that eat on a dead carcase. Those faithful to Jesus Christ are to be left behind found still working when He comes.

Matt 24:43-47
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
KJV

 

[stovebolts]

The valley of Hinnom was an area outside Jerusalem where garbage perpetually burned, and it was also a place where Judah fallen in idol worship sacrificed their children in that fire, per Jeremiah 19:3-6.

You've heard the phrase "History repeats itself"? Did you know Solomon sanctioned Idol Worship, as well as offering his own children to the fire?

Gehenna Is That Hell on Earth

Matthew 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is...

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I find it peculiar that under Solomon, there was world peace, prosperity and idol worship resulting in the slaughter of their children to "other gods".
If history repeats itself, wouldn't this be a picture of the antichrist?

 

[DavidT]

You've heard the phrase "History repeats itself"? Did you know Solomon sanctioned Idol Worship, as well as offering his own children to the fire?

Gehenna Is That Hell on Earth

Matthew 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is...

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I find it peculiar that under Solomon, there was world peace, prosperity and idol worship resulting in the slaughter of their children to "other gods".
If history repeats itself, wouldn't this be a picture of the antichrist?

Yes, Solomon allowing his many foreign wives to bring their false idol worship in among Israel was his main falling out with our Heavenly Father.

 

[Prycejosh1987]

The hell of Gehenna is nothing like earth and its fallen precepts. Its continual suffering. When Jesus talks about Gehenna, He is talking about it figuratively. I mean that Jesus is talking about the waste and site dump and the fire and the despised things, etc, and relating them to what actually its like to go to hell, from an emotional standpoint. Gehenna in symbolic terms, is hell. In hell no one is popular, no one is loved, they are wasted, feeling suffering and anguish, they are rejected by God as worthless, and people will see the dump site, etc. Jesus is being symbolic in Gehenna and relating it to afterlife suffering and definition of that suffering.

 

[for_his_glory]

The hell of Gehenna is nothing like earth and its fallen precepts. Its continual suffering. When Jesus talks about Gehenna, He is talking about it figuratively. I mean that Jesus is talking about the waste and site dump and the fire and the despised things, etc, and relating them to what actually its like to go to hell, from an emotional standpoint. Gehenna in symbolic terms, is hell. In hell no one is popular, no one is loved, they are wasted, feeling suffering and anguish, they are rejected by God as worthless, and people will see the dump site, etc. Jesus is being symbolic in Gehenna and relating it to afterlife suffering and definition of that suffering.

Actually Gehenna is not hell as hell is only the grave/pit where dead people are laid in when they die. Death being the second death of all who rejected God and His Son Christ Jesus and hell only being the grave, which will no longer be needed are cast into the lake of fire as there will be no more of either one in final judgement.

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[for_his_glory]

Sounds like you think Christ's future Kingdom is going to be away from this earth. Not so.


I don't think you understand about God's consuming fire that Lord Jesus and Peter spoke of either. God is not going to literally turn this earth into an asteroid belt. Zechariah 14 reveals that on the day of Christ's return, He is coming to the Mount of Olives where He ascended to heaven from, and, He is bringing all His faithful saints with Him there, as written. So that certainly is not about a destroyed earth.

Only once we have studied all of God's Word do we begin to get a sense of metaphors and analogies that God uses to get His point across. The event of His consuming fire on the last day of this earth will indeed literaly end... this present world, and reveal to all the world to come. Some earth changes will happen on that day also. And everyone still alive on earth will be revealed 'at the twinkling of an eye' in their "spiritual body", on the "last trump", along with those of the resurrection.

It sounds like you believe in a pre-trib rapture theory, which is where the wrong thinking about left-behind comes from. Per Lord Jesus' answer in Luke 17:37 and Matthew 24:28, the 1st ones 'taken' are to wheresoever the fowls are that eat on a dead carcase. Those faithful to Jesus Christ are to be left behind found still working when He comes.

Matt 24:43-47
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
KJV

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.