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I'm afraid you'll have to be more clear.How can truth be reformed?
Truth is immutable, the word of God and divine?
How can you say God somehow erred or revealed error?
Jn 14:6 Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life!
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Did you know the change from the old covenant to the new is referred to as the reformation? I do not subscribe to reformed theology but they did not consider it a change of truth but rather a return to truth.How can truth be reformed?
Truth is immutable, the word of God and divine?
How can you say God somehow erred or revealed error?
Jn 14:6 Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life!
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Yes that’s the only place in scripture that refers to a reformation heb 9:10 but that was accomplished by the authority of Jesus Christ, what authority did Luther or any so called reformers have? Are the apostles? Who are they to claim to reform what God has established or revealed?Did you know the change from the old covenant to the new is referred to as the reformation? I do not subscribe to reformed theology but they did not consider it a change of truth but rather a return to truth.
What authority did Luther have?I'm afraid you'll have to be more clear.
The reformation had to do with practices by the CC that Luther did not agree with and he had the power to get those changes he wanted nailed to the door in Whittenberg Church without getting himself killed.
I do agree with you BTW.
But are you stating that the reformed faith is teaching that the church was wrong before the reformation in its doctrine?
The church that was established by Peter, the CC, went awry somewhere between 300AD and 2000AD.What authority did Luther have?
Was he an apostle?
Where does the Bible say these thingsThe church that was established by Peter, the CC, went awry somewhere between 300AD and 2000AD.
I'd say it started in the 400 to 600's and got progressively worse.
It might have been the will of God to reform the original church.
Maybe they had gone too far off the track?
Maybe it needed to be brought back?
Maybe Luther was God's instrument in getting the changes accomplished.
Do you think the CC is better today or during the middle ages?
Jesus established the church, not Peter. Peter wasn’t even the head of the Church in his day, James was. No one then thought Peter was establishing the church. That’s a catholic concoction to validate them as being the only true christian church. It’s no where in any of the writings of Paul, John or even Peter himself.The church that was established by Peter, the CC, went awry somewhere between 300AD and 2000AD.
I'd say it started in the 400 to 600's and got progressively worse.
It might have been the will of God to reform the original church.
Maybe they had gone too far off the track?
Maybe it needed to be brought back?
Maybe Luther was God's instrument in getting the changes accomplished.
Do you think the CC is better today or during the middle ages?
I didn't quote the bible in my post to you.Where does the Bible say these things
Matt 16:18-19 shall not prevail
Jn 16:13 Jn 8:32 church of the apostles has truth we must hear Matt 18:17 church pillar of truth 1 Tim 3:15
If James established the church,Jesus established the church, not Peter. Peter wasn’t even the head of the Church in his day, James was. No one then thought Peter was establishing the church. That’s a catholic concoction to validate them as being the only true christian church. It’s no where in any of the writings of Paul, John or even Peter himself.
The Catholic church has strayed so far from the pure and simple doctrines of the Bible that I don't think it matters. I prefer to view the first church as that which is depicted in the Bible. I just don't see the Catholic church in the pages of the Bible. Never have.You can accept history or not.
The CC is the original church.
You can accept that or not.
Who were the 'Popes' of Antioch, Alexandria, and Constantinople during the time of the Apostles?There were 5 Popes at the time:
Jerusalem
Rome
Antioch
Alexandria
Constantinople
I repeat Jesus the Christ established the church, not Peter, Paul or James. The first Pope was Constantine. The early church was forbidden to call any man “Pope” by Jesus so certainly they didn’t have “popes” coming toIf James established the church,
then why did the other "popes" go to Peter in Rome when they had a question about theology or Christology?
James was the "Pope" of Jerusalem.
There were 5 Popes at the time:
Jerusalem
Rome
Antioch
Alexandria
Constantinople
You can accept history or not.
The CC is the original church.
You can accept that or not.
As to the writings of Paul, or John or Peter himself,
I do remind you that HISTORY continued onward forever, even AFTER the letters were written.
That history is available, BTW - I didn't make it up.
Which church was depicted in the bible?The Catholic church has strayed so far from the pure and simple doctrines of the Bible that I don't think it matters. I prefer to view the first church as that which is depicted in the Bible. I just don't see the Catholic church in the pages of the Bible. Never have.
The first Pope was Constantine?I repeat Jesus the Christ established the church, not Peter, Paul or James. The first Pope was Constantine. The early church was forbidden to call any man “Pope” by Jesus so certainly they didn’t have “popes” coming to
Peter. But I’m curious, where do you get this idea from? Certainly not the NT which never mentions Peter as the head or “Pope?”
The catholics started with Constantine. He was the first Pontifus Maximums. That’s the record of history. You can believe it or not.
Did I say there were popes during the times of the Apostles?Who were the 'Popes' of Antioch, Alexandria, and Constantinople during the time of the Apostles?
The first Pope was Constantine?
Could you post some support please?
What do you think you’re doing when you quote what you believe is history?I'm not here to teach anybody anything.
I did. There’s the catholic version which changed it including their bible until it was discovered.Look up the history of the church.
The keys are with Jesus. He has the keys to heaven and hell (Revelation 1:18). If you remember Jesus said to Peter, upon THIS Rock I will build MY church. Jesus is the rock.Which church was depicted in the bible?
People me in homes and were afraid of persecution.
The CC should not be seen in the pages of the bible, as I understand you to mean.
But the CC can trace its origins back to Peter, who was one of the first popes.
Which church WAS the first church according to you?
It certainly wasn't any of the Protestant churches that didn't even exist till the 1,500's.
It could be argued if it was the Orthodox Church that split from the CC in about 1,000AD.
Peter is the rock.The keys are with Jesus. He has the keys to heaven and hell (Revelation 1:18). If you remember Jesus said to Peter, upon THIS Rock I will build MY church. Jesus is the rock.
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