Just say NO!!!!

[Christ_empowered]

Im for gun control. I. The USA that will probably mean moving step by step from where we are now…let’s call this phase barely contained anarchy…to eventually somehow reducing even the number of registered legally obtained guns. So…

Violence begets violence. Violence also fuels fear. This is why now even people who might not ever have considered legal gun ownership are doing it…

Fear often based on acts of gun violence on law abiding citizens. Then…

The gun can be stolen accidents can happen suicide rates go up with guns in the home…

Best case scenario? It’s there when and if one needs it. But then what? It’s building a culture of gun violence and this absurd notion that the best most constructive response to a gun culture…

Is more legal guns in the hands of the so called right people.

I dunno I’m southern so I actually don’t have a huge problem with legal gun ownership in theory. People hunt farm have enemies…

But then I think about a local playground named for a small child who was killed when a legally owned gun went off unexpectedly and the suicides when a deeply depressed law abiding citizen drank a bit too much and decided to end his life…

I just don’t want to pretend that at least attempting regulation is a bad thing. The exact effects of any mean gun control measures will take time to assess and the results in the USA will not be exactly comparable to say results in the uk or Japan…

But I really honestly truly do think doing something rather than nothing is necessary sooner rather than later.

 

[miamited]

Hi jasonc

Death by. Knife or other object is still death .

You really don't get it, do you? Let's consider the slaughter in Las Vegas a few years ago from a hotel room several floors up from the ground. How many people do you think would have died in that if the perpetrator were throwing knives at people on the ground?

You don't get it do you! The possession of a gun takes away the personal contact that has to happen with a knife attack. The possession of a gun means that someone can take out 15 people in the time it would take a knife wielder to subdue four people. It's the numbers!!!!! If you take every single firearm attack that is rated as mass attack, replace the perpetrator's weapon with a knife or machete or ten knives and a machete and a sword, the numbers won't come out nearly as bad. It's just a fact!!! You can't get away with killing a mass of people with a knife!

God bless,
Ted

 

[Edward]

But then I think about a local playground named for a small child who was killed when a legally owned gun went off unexpectedly and the suicides when a deeply depressed law abiding citizen drank a bit too much and decided to end his life…

What about the people who are the flip side of this coin? I was raised in a house full of loaded guns and 4 kids and no one ever had any type of a mishap with a gun. I raised my two kids in a housefull of loaded guns. Nothing bad ever happened.

I've never been depressed. I've been sad here and there in life, stuff happens. But you get over it and live on. The Doctors always ask me if I am depressed. Now we all know that Doctors write things down.

So if they write things down and I answered them that I am not depressed, why do they keep asking?! It's like they want me to be depressed, lol.

 

[jasonc]

Hi jasonc

As I've said, I've been in this discussion many, many times. I understand all of the fluff and false assumptions and convictions on the matter. All I can tell you is that pretty much every nation, on a per capita basis, that has tougher firearms laws than we have, has a lower per capita death rate from such killings to go along with it.

It's a fact! The data supports it! But just like in the abortion issue there are two side, or more, and everyone believes their 'facts' to be the right facts. But there are 'facts' that can be verified to be true. Those are the facts that I'm choosing to work with. I find that on a global basis, there is a direct connection between gun laws and gun deaths.

Now you guys are free to throw around how you know somebody that kept a crime from happening, and that's great, but without the guns the crime likely wouldn't have even happened, in most cases. I'm also not looking for an outlier to establish regular policy on this. So, while everybody has the story of one or two or three people that they've seen over the last 5 years thwart a crime because they had a gun...there are several million where the crime is successful, or at least people are killed or injured, every year...every day. People are killed with firearms and 10 times a year someone thwarts such an attempt.

The trouble with such thinking is that statistically, your more likely to be hurt or killed by someone using a firearm, than you are likely to thwart a firearm crime. That's a fact!!! You can do the research!! Just think what a wonderful place America would be if we weren't always living with the possibility of running into some unhinged person with a gun.

God bless,
Ted

Because govt only don't committed atrocities .

The u.s. never faksely imprisoned japenese and Italians and German citizens .
It didn't also ignore black pleas for help up to the late 70s .
Cops refused to even answer calls ,were the KKK in many cases.

Cough ft.piercd anyone ?

Then we tortuted iraqis with the cia .then we also invaded that country under false pretense ,needless civilians died .

But the dod with drones also killed civilians and often children and not considered a war crime


Nevermind the Yemen war with sold arms too

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[miamited]

What about the people who are the flip side of this coin? I was raised in a house full of loaded guns and 4 kids and no one ever had any type of a mishap with a gun. I raised my two kids in a housefull of loaded guns. Nothing bad ever happened.

Hi Edward

That's wonderful!!! That's fabulous!!!!! That's the best story about gun ownership that I've ever heard!!!!!!!!\


Now, just because you're a responsible firearm owner, doesn't really have any bearing on the multiple thousands of people that lay dead in their graves because the person they met with a firearm wasn't raised like you were. How are you going to make everyone in the nation, or at least the part that doesn't seem to be able to work as well as you alongside a firearm, like you? What law are you going to put in place? What mandatory training program are you going to require? Why isn't the whole world just like you????!!!!!! What are you going to do?

You see, and no one seems to get this, at least not those who make our laws, you can't legalize or legislate the thoughts and designs that a man has as he lives his life out day by day here upon the earth with the rest of us. Doesn't anyone even question why? Why, are so many of these murderers holding firearms that they were legally able to own? As I stated in another post, it's because man's heart is wicked!! Who can know it!

Sure, we're all laughs and giggles when we're in the gun shop picking out our first firearm. We can't wait to get out there and do some target practice. And that person may own that firearm without any issue for 5 years. Whoooohooo!!! We legislated that person into responsible gun ownership. Or maybe they're wired like you and your family to respect the weapon.

But then one day. One day they're in a fowl mood because their family was evicted from their apartment and the apartment manager finds himself having to get tough with the man about how he's going to have to move tomorrow, or the police will come and forcibly put their stuff on the street.

Or, as we're now seeing much more regular these days. I'm just driving down to drugstore to get my alzheimer's meds and I accidentally cut someone off. All the sudden they're like screaming and yelling at me waving a gun in their window and "BAMMMM". Uh-oh.

You can't legislate people's emotions and feelings. But you can legislate what those people have at their disposal to 'settle the score' so to speak.

God bless,
Ted

 

[Christ_empowered]

Road rage… oh man

Road rage fatality here locally in a semi rural community near me. I use that small side road a lot..,

Or I did before some angry dude shot and killed a church going grandmother because she cut him off.

If I showed y’all pictures you might think..,

Southern small town USA . Cue the Tammy Wynette technicolor throwback footage. And…

That’s the problem I think..,this is America 21st century edition. Hot mess…

 

[miamited]

Because govt only don't committed atrocities .

The u.s. never faksely imprisoned japenese and Italians and German citizens .
It didn't also ignore black pleas for help up to the late 70s .
Cops refused to even answer calls ,were the KKK in many cases.

Cough ft.piercd anyone ?

Then we tortuted iraqis with the cia .then we also invaded that country under false pretense ,needless civilians died .

But the dod with drones also killed civilians and often children and not considered a war crime


Nevermind the Yemen war with sold arms too


No laws matter if they don't enforce them

Hi jasonc

I'm curious. Has obfuscation worked well for you in your past discussions? Here we are talking about firearm control and this is about the third or fourth post that you've responded with some laundry list of other issues that, somehow in your mind I suppose, seems to have a lot to do with the issue. But in reality haven't even a whisper...no even a billionth of a chance in having anything to do with the subject at hand. That's called obfuscating the issue.

From Collins dictionary: To obfuscate something means to deliberately make it seem confusing and difficult to understand. They are obfuscating the issue, as only insurance companies can. It is language intended not to reveal but to conceal, not to communicate but to obfuscate.

I honestly can't seem to make the connection that our selling arms in the Yemen war has something to do with this issue. How the U.S. never imprisoning some people makes a difference in how we should feel about firearms, and the needless thousands of deaths our people suffer each year. Really!!???? The CIA torturing Iraqis is why people die on our streets every day? Friend, that's pure obfuscation. There's not a one of those issues that has any bearing on the subject, but you throw out as many as you can to create confusion and to make the "issue" more difficult to understand. (Read previous definition.)

God bless,
Ted

 

[Edward]

Hi Edward

That's wonderful!!! That's fabulous!!!!! That's the best story about gun ownership that I've ever heard!!!!!!!!\


Now, just because you're a responsible firearm owner, doesn't really have any bearing on the multiple thousands of people that lay dead in their graves because the person they met with a firearm wasn't raised like you were. How are you going to make everyone in the nation, or at least the part that doesn't seem to be able to work as well as you alongside a firearm, like you? What law are you going to put in place? What mandatory training program are you going to require? Why isn't the whole world just like you????!!!!!! What are you going to do?

You see, and no one seems to get this, at least not those who make our laws, you can't legalize or legislate the thoughts and designs that a man has as he lives his life out day by day here upon the earth with the rest of us. Doesn't anyone even question why? Why, are so many of these murderers holding firearms that they were legally able to own? As I stated in another post, it's because man's heart is wicked!! Who can know it!

Sure, we're all laughs and giggles when we're in the gun shop picking out our first firearm. We can't wait to get out there and do some target practice. And that person may own that firearm without any issue for 5 years. Whoooohooo!!! We legislated that person into responsible gun ownership. Or maybe they're wired like you and your family to respect the weapon.

But then one day. One day they're in a fowl mood because their family was evicted from their apartment and the apartment manager finds himself having to get tough with the man about how he's going to have to move tomorrow, or the police will come and forcibly put their stuff on the street.

Or, as we're now seeing much more regular these days. I'm just driving down to drugstore to get my alzheimer's meds and I accidentally cut someone off. All the sudden they're like screaming and yelling at me waving a gun in their window and "BAMMMM". Uh-oh.

You can't legislate people's emotions and feelings. But you can legislate what those people have at their disposal to 'settle the score' so to speak.

God bless,
Ted

It still isn't about the firearms. Or a gas stove. And Mother Nature (God) put safeguards in place for those stupid people. I think they call it the Darwin Awards?

Proverbs mentions it too.

Proverbs 25:
28 A person without self-control
is like a city with broken-down walls.../

The problem isn't with the guns, at all. It is the people.

 

[Edward]

You can't legislate people's emotions and feelings. But you can legislate what those people have at their disposal to 'settle the score' so to speak.

Maybe this is all a conspiracy theory about making everyone buy a tesla electric car?

Ok so they ban guns (Lol), what do they use then? A bucks worth of gas to settle their score?

Ban gas stations too! Electric cars for everyone!

 

[miamited]

28 A person without self-control
is like a city with broken-down walls.../

Hi Edward

Sighhhhh.

The problem isn't with the guns, at all. It is the people.

I think I previously agreed with you on that point. But I pointed out that what we allow people to hold in their hand at the time of their angriest moments, is why we suffer at least a quarter of the deaths that we do from firearms. Good men and women who purchased their firearm legally who just couldn't always keep it together.

The husband who has a controlling love for his wife who wants to separate and take his children out of his life.

The father whose 16 year old princess lets a boy in the house late at night.

The man just driving along who makes a lane change once without proper checking if the lane is clear. He didn't have his mirrors adjusted right and the car was in his blind spot.

Now, let me just hazard a guess at your response and solution for these people killing someone.

The woman trying to leave her husband? She should have never married the bum anyway.

The father whose daughter let a boy in the house at night. He's a bad father that he didn't train his daughter not to do such a thing.

The man making the driving error. He's too old to be driving anyway and he apparently didn't pay attention when they told him in driving classes when he was 16 to turn your head and look.

But I will question you. What is your response to these needless deaths.

Oh BTW, the angry husband murdered their 3 children when he took the wife out. The father with the daughter? Well, when the police came he was still holding the firearm and apparently didn't try to put it down fast enough and was shot to death in front of his daughter by the very people who came to render aid. The driver? Well, he's dead today. The man that killed him in his moment of fleeting anger, now after having used his legally obtained firearm, is spending a number of years in prison apart from his family.

How would you address the problem? Or do you even see it as a problem? If you do, share with me. You're an elected lawmaker. What bill are you going to propose to address this problem?

God bless,
Ted

 

[WIP]

Really? Explain to me how that's supporting the idea that it isn't the person that's the problem?

By advocating the taking away of a tool from everyone for the sake of someone that misuses it, you are basically saying it isn't the person but rather the tool that is the problem. If I misuse a hammer and kill someone, do we take away all hammers and forbid their sale to everyone?

 

[miamited]

Maybe this is all a conspiracy theory about making everyone buy a tesla electric car?

Ok so they ban guns (Lol), what do they use then? A bucks worth of gas to settle their score?

Ban gas stations too! Electric cars for everyone!

That obfuscation has already been addressed. Just quickly: Facts, yes their are some hard facts out there regarding this, show that where firearms are banned that people don't commit the same number of crimes, but with different weapons. Why you would ban gas stations is beyond me, but I suppose you're referring to all the murders then being committed with Molotov cocktails. Really???? You see an inordinate amount of that going on in the U.K and Japan? Or any other nation for that matter?

You really believe in your mind that if we ban guns, those same people that would have used a gun will go out and get a gallon of gas to do the job? That's really got to be about the least sensible idea I believe I've ever had anyone use to obfuscate the issue. Well done!!!

God bless,
Ted

 

[WIP]

Hi WIP

So, you're willing to try and understand why that might be, but not assign it as a part of the problem. OK.

Look, I'm not God, but I can tell you why God's word says it is: Man's heart is wicked! Who can know it. We invent ways of doing evil.

Why is that?

God bless,
Ted

But, you seem to differentiate firearms as evil from other tools which you believe are not. Whether a firearm, knife, hammer, screwdriver, automobile, or a piece of rope it can all be used in evil ways or not. So why do you single out firearms?

 

[miamited]

Hi WIP

By advocating the taking away of a tool from everyone for the sake of someone that misuses it, you are basically saying it isn't the person but rather the tool that is the problem. If I misuse a hammer and kill someone, do we take away all hammers and forbid their sale to everyone?

Look! You can read into my words what ever floats your boat. I think I've been quite clear in what I believe, as far whether it is the owning of the weapon or the person owning it. The problem is both. The person owning the gun because they're a human being and we don't any of us have control much if we run to losing our temper. The gun because that's the tool that makes killing others the least complicated. It's what makes it quick and completely painless to the person firing the shots.

I'm sorry if you haven't understood that up to this point. Hopefully this will clear up your understanding.

God bless,
Ted

 

[WIP]

Hi WIP

Look! You can read into my words what ever floats your boat. I think I've been quite clear in what I believe, as far whether it is the owning of the weapon or the person owning it. The problem is both. The person owning the gun because they're a human being and we don't any of us have control much if we run to losing our temper. The gun because that's the tool that makes killing others the least complicated. It's what makes it quick and completely painless to the person firing the shots.

I'm sorry if you haven't understood that up to this point. Hopefully this will clear up your understanding.

God bless,
Ted

I have had a history of issues with my anger and yet, I have never, ever felt a desire, need, or impulse to use any dangerous tool in a harmful way against anyone.

 

[WIP]

Hi WIP

Look! You can read into my words what ever floats your boat. I think I've been quite clear in what I believe, as far whether it is the owning of the weapon or the person owning it. The problem is both. The person owning the gun because they're a human being and we don't any of us have control much if we run to losing our temper. The gun because that's the tool that makes killing others the least complicated. It's what makes it quick and completely painless to the person firing the shots.

I'm sorry if you haven't understood that up to this point. Hopefully this will clear up your understanding.

God bless,
Ted

Another thought. My argument still holds water. Whether a person owning a gun or a hammer or any other potentially lethal tool can't control himself when losing his temper, death can be at the doorstep. As far as complicated, if one is out of control of himself, it doesn't matter.

 

[miamited]

Hi again WIP

You really should work on your reading comprehension:

But, you seem to differentiate firearms as evil from other tools which you believe are not. Whether a firearm, knife, hammer, screwdriver, automobile, or a piece of rope it can all be used in evil ways or not. So why do you single out firearms?

I've never said or intimated such a position.

Just about anything can be used to kill someone. I'm fully aware of that. You can take a pencil or pen and run it through someone's throat that they bleed out. You can suffocate people with pillows, scarves, ropes, etc. You can run people down with your car or attack them with your carpenter's hammer. Just about any electric woodworking tool would kill a person in some way.

Now, let me repeat for you 'why' I single out firearms as being much more dangerous to our society than any of these other methods.
1. With a firearm, I don't even have to be within 300 feet of the person that I'm intending to kill. With a knife, machete, sword, pillow, scarf, rope, pen or pencil, I have to be within reasonable arms length.
2. With a firearm, I can kill people at a rate of up to 30-40 people a minute if my aim is good. With a knife, machete, sword, pillow, scarf, rope, pen or pencil, I'll be quite lucky if I can put down 3 people within 20 minutes. I mean the strikes to the different people would all have to be carefully executed to cause death in so many so fast. Not likely going to happen with someone who is just lashing out in anger. Maybe if the perpetrator is a trained Green Beret.
3. With a firearm it can be extremely dangerous, and would take someone pretty fearless, to try to bring them down. With most knife, machete, sword, pillow, scarf, rope, pen or pencil attackers, the people they are attacking will likely be able to put up a pretty good fight and once engaged, others would likely gang on pretty quickly.

Now do you understand what I'm saying better?

God bless,
Ted

 

[miamited]

Hi WIP

I have had a history of issues with my anger and yet, I have never, ever felt a desire, need, or impulse to use any dangerous tool in a harmful way against anyone.

That's great!!!!!! That's wonderful!!!!!! Why you're probably the man that everybody in your town looks up to and says, "I want to be just like him!!!!!"

I tell you, this is now the second time that the excuse has been, "Well, why can't everybody be like me?"

God bless,
Ted

 

[miamited]

NEWSFLASH EVERYONE. WE AREN'T ALL THE SAME IN OUR THOUGHTS AND DESIRES. WE AREN'T ALL THE SAME IN HOW WE CHOOSE TO RESOLVE PROBLEMS. AND YOU CAN'T LEGISLATE THAT KIND OF THING WITH ANY SURE DEGREE OF SUCCESS. OTHERWISE THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY DRUGS IN AMERICA!!!!!!!!

 

[jasonc]

Hi jasonc

I'm curious. Has obfuscation worked well for you in your past discussions? Here we are talking about firearm control and this is about the third or fourth post that you've responded with some laundry list of other issues that, somehow in your mind I suppose, seems to have a lot to do with the issue. But in reality haven't even a whisper...no even a billionth of a chance in having anything to do with the subject at hand. That's called obfuscating the issue.

From Collins dictionary: To obfuscate something means to deliberately make it seem confusing and difficult to understand. They are obfuscating the issue, as only insurance companies can. It is language intended not to reveal but to conceal, not to communicate but to obfuscate.

I honestly can't seem to make the connection that our selling arms in the Yemen war has something to do with this issue. How the U.S. never imprisoning some people makes a difference in how we should feel about firearms, and the needless thousands of deaths our people suffer each year. Really!!???? The CIA torturing Iraqis is why people die on our streets every day? Friend, that's pure obfuscation. There's not a one of those issues that has any bearing on the subject, but you throw out as many as you can to create confusion and to make the "issue" more difficult to understand. (Read previous definition.)

God bless,
Ted

Because the state doesn't lie ,kill and also murder?
We need laws that only apply to the population.

We armed the two fighting factions in Yemen at the beheast of the saudis and one side we switched for that we were against .these were not govt officials but two tribes seeking power

You said we are all sinners.

Govt is not exempt from violence that is immoral .

We simply think we learned from the past nope seldom do we .