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Did Jesus have a human Spirit or the Spirit of God sense He is man and God?
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Did Jesus have a human Spirit or the Spirit of God sense He is man and God?
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Jesus had both, just as everyone baptized into Him has.
Men have their own "spirit", but men in Christ have been given the Spirit of God, to help keep them pure, and teach them, guide them, and help them know truth from error.
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How was the Spirit of God given to Men plz
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His Spirit is the Spirit of Christ.
Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. 1 Peter 1:10-11
But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. Romans 8:9
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Peter said, in Acts 2:38, that if we repent (of sin), and get (water) baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of (past) sins, we would receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
The Holy Spirit is a gift from God, but we have to...qualify...for it.
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What do you mean by your question? Do you mean the channel, means, or what? God gave me the Spirit to be able to trust in Jesus 66 years ago when I was sixteen by way of an intellectual adventure in his Word. He uses different means for different Christians with the same goal for all of us.
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Hi,
What I'm trying to get understand is this: Jesus in a sense outwardly would have been Flesh and Spirit.. Taking that thought, He also had his own will which is called the Spirit. God the father has a Will...too. So I do wonder sense God the Father is who He is..His will is always "acting"
My point is: if the will is part of the spirit and seeing that Jesus said, not my will but your will be done then, There seems to be The Spirit of Christ, and the Spirit of God. [ here in respects maybe to internal: desires, attitude, faithful, alive?]
Now that I got that all out my mind.
There is a scripture that says "God is spirit and those that worship must worship in spirit and truth."
Now if one defines spirit as unbodily personal power, then I have many questions;
Unless God's will(spirit)is power
God the ->father, I suppose was said to be in Christ reconciling the world unto himself.
So even though I never thought on this subject before, "Is Jesus God,"I definitely believe He is the son of God...how? I didn't need to know how when I was born again. I did believe He was sent by God.
Having noted that, the First Adam brought death
The last Adam brought life
So while both were made from the earth' crust. What was different about the first Adam than the last. One, Adam was never called His only begotton son.
Was Jesus begotten, while Adam created?
My definition of begotton would be to come forth from, as having taken part of the substance of which one is made.
So then to say Jesus is God would be saying the substance He came from was Of Spirit-kind. So Jesus is the substance of God and the substance of man
So if my thoughts have any validity then
the scripture I had trouble with, there is one God the father from whom are all things and one Lord Jesus of which all things were made, (don't quote off head)could be interpreted as One God who is God
One Lord who is God/Man
Which then ->Jesus is God by nature
Yet had his own will /spirit and his will/ spirit was surrendered over to his Father. [This then will beg the question in the way we use the term spirit.]So is this how Jesus meant I and my father are one; In unity?
So my thought is Jesus had the Nature of man and God but the spirit of man
For if my recollection is correct a body for God was prepared already..Jesus's body.+
It seems the whole purpose was that God can be seen in man..His power when our active will is alignment with His.
Jesus said Himself, He always did what was pleasing to His Father and His Father never left Him alone.
My thoughts for right now until I think of some scriptures that may discredited this
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I like this passage you brought up and your thought on it.
"Like man" does not mean the same.
So how would he be in the likeness?
Maybe because who His father is? Sense a Father would be the substance He comes from.
So what do you believe " emptied himself" means?
Any divine attribute that can be seen (like his glory)
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Meaning what substance He was made up of? God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, right?
So what does that look like? Or mean?
1. God in the annoited one Jesus?
What was the Spirit of Christ that was in them?
A. Was it the annoiting, power or annoited power?
Is the Spirit of Christ the Spirit that proceeds from Christ; Christ the power of God?
Or are you saying the Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of or from God?
So you believe the spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ are the same...? Ok I see that point of view.
"The Spirit of God dwells in you"
here I would say the Spirit of God is the power source.
What would it look like to have the power of God in you?
A power that can overcome the world, Satan, and the flesh like Jesus did.
So the Spirit of the annoited; christ has been glorified in bodily form when He went back to the father. .
So the Spirit of God is activated upon obedience. And the Spirit of Christ is the effects of being activated; holyghost power.
So what it sounds like is you are only his in the sense of your obedience. Therefore while He made away of escape if you choose to live by the flesh you are not his, but choose to live by the spirit then you are as long as.
So in my thought one of the differences between the Jews under the law and the Jews and gentiles under the new is that they both have access to the Father through one Spirit.
until I look it up I'd say the spirit that proceeds from God is the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit given to those who believe the father's testimony concerning His Son.The same Spirit of the father that was in Christ. But God has made Jesus Lord.
So the Holyghost is the power of the resurrected/ Glorified body of Christ. Which is the Spirit of the annoited Christ; Jesus.
So getting back to: Is Jesus God?
Yes and No
Jesus is Man and God
And God is Spirit - total unbodily power
Example would be: Jane and Mike have a son named Jam. The son Jam nature wise is of Jane and mike but has His own spirit; mind
Therefore Jesus who is of God makes him God. However because He came of/from the power source's substance makes him the offspring; the son.
So we can say Jesus was unbodily power before He became a son in the world. And in the world He was the power of God as man unto salvation to everyone that would believe.
Hence Jesus would be power of God.
The souce of power on earth.
How is the source of power tapped into?just like the Jews, through Faith.
So we have a power to exercise too through the knowledge of him. !Faith!- moving in what we say we believe.
The actions created by knowledge is our power. So from power to power. In my opinion, sense God seems like He's in a stance of always acting, then faith, as the faith of Jesus, is Salvation. Being caught up in what God is actively doing.
So that goes back to what James says to me in so many words. The faith that Acts is a faith that saves.
My thoughts you can correct where I'm wrong...
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I have to agree with that because...Jesus did say restore to me the glory while I was yet with you...(Don't quote me, off head)
So He emptied himself of Glory..but what He didn't, is empty his physical substence He was made from. Because that body was prepared.......
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The Spirit of the LORD.
Jesus Christ is LORD; YHWH the LORD God.
He became flesh.
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1 Cor 8:6 is the scripture that I was perplexed by. But what I see out of:
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Is God is in controll of what ever He creates and becomes all things to his creation.
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Is God is in controll of what ever He creates and becomes all things to his creation.
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God became flesh.
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.
1 Timothy 3:16
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Yes. Faith must have the corresponding act of obedience to be made complete, and therefore activated.
- by works faith was made perfect (Complete)
James 2:21-22
The “work” Abraham did was to obey God’s word to sacrifice His son Isaac on the altar.
No. For example he wishes that all people would be saved. I think it is intuitive that not all people are saved. God's genius is in his creation of man with a volition. Man has certain limits put on him by God, but in the same token, man has freedom to choose contrary to God's will. When Jesus created man, he took on a huge responsibility of taking care of man. For example, when man initially sinned, God took unilateral action and made provision for man's sin, giving him his first spiritual benefit.
You have heard the statement that God didn't have to make salvation available for man, man is a dead sinner and should have been placed in Hell right after he sinned. Such a statement is more so a disgrace of God's character than man's. When Jesus created man, he had already chose to die for mankind. He took total responsibility for man's welfare. Christ knew he would be obligated to die for mankind if man sinned. So, God condemned mankind in order for him to be merciful to all of mankind. By condemning mankind (not to hell) God qualified all people to be recipients of God's grace.
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I agree that your thoughts are correct; Jesus was both fully man so that he could die for our forgiveness and fully God so that he could rise from the dead for our new birth and life for him.
The Trinity is a mystery. God is three Persons in one God. Just remember that the three Persons of God do everything together by creating, saving, and sanctifying us who trust in him.
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Did Jesus have a human Spirit or the Spirit of God sense He is man and God?
Aside: Interesting conjectures on your part. I'll throw in mine.
One's will is dependent upon knowledge. We know that Christ's knowledge was limited as He said He didn't know the time that He would return in regards to His second coming. God (the Trinity) knows all things so the will of Christ varied to some degree from the will of God. But this doesn't necessarily mean Christ had a human will as it could also be explained by the idea the Christ's will was divine but a subset of the divine will. If something came up that wasn't part of the subset of the divine will in Christ, then the divine will could make adjustments.
That's my way of looking at it. This thought is supported by the thought that Jesus is God, He is divine.
This is critical. To not think Jesus is God is to reject salvation IMO.
Proof Texts:
A person with a third group said the critical doctrine was to believe that Jesus is God. I asked what Scripture that was based on and was given John 8:23 He said to them, “You are from below, I am from above; you are of this world, I am not of this world. 24 “for you will die in your sins unless you believe that I am he.” This popular interpretation ignores the fact that (1) when Jesus was subsequently asked who he is, he called himself “the Son of Man” (John 8:25-28), and (2) the similarity between this verse and Exodus 3:14 exists only in the Latin and certain English translations, but not in the Greek nor in the Hebrew. Note: [John 20:31, 1 John 2:22, 1 John 4:3 and 1 John 5:13 also support the idea that one must believe Christ is divine; as well as: 1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit … 1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life. that is, the Son of God, who is the immediate antecedent to the relative "this"; he is the true God.
– from Greek monogenes meaning "pertaining to being the only one of its kind or class, unique in kind." This is the meaning that is implied in John 3:16 (see also John 1:14, 18; 3:18; 1 John 4:9).
Christ was begotten in eternity in a unique way that did not involve being made. Christ is uniquely begotten, not in time as a creature, but eternally as the Son of God. John indicates this by saying that the Logos “was with God” and “was God” at the beginning (John 1:1). If the Logos, the second person of the Trinity, is eternally begotten by the Father, then there never was a time when Christ was not begotten of the Father. The second person of the Trinity has an eternal relationship of sonship with the Father. R.C. Sproul Truths We Confess
that's my thoughts on the subject ... difficult question(s)
