The Trinity

[JLB]

So, you no longer believe that "Jesus is the Name of the LORD, YHWH the LORD God"?

What?

Jesus is the Name of the LORD; YHWH the LORD God.

That will never change.

that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.”
Romans 10:9-13


What is the Name of the LORD we call on to be saved?

 

[Free]

What?

Jesus is the Name of the LORD; YHWH the LORD God.

That will never change.

And that is a Oneness teaching. I thought you said you weren't Oneness or do you no know what they teach?

 

[Johann!@#]

And that is a Oneness teaching. I thought you said you weren't Oneness or do you no know what they teach?

Outline
Introduction
Part I: There Is One God
Part II: The One God is Jehovah, the Lord
Part III: The Father Is God
Part IV: The Son, Jesus Christ, Is God
Part V: The Holy Spirit Is God
Part VI: The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit Are Three Persons
Part VII: The Bible Teaches the Trinity
Part VIII: What Difference Does the Trinity Make?
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Jesus is Jehovah/Yahweh (the Lord)

1. Rom. 10:9-13: Note the repeated “for” (gar), which links these verses closely together. The “Lord” of 10:13 (where kurios, “Lord,” translates the HebrewYahweh) must be the “Lord” of 10:9, 12.

2. Phil. 2:9-11. In context, the “name that is above every name” is “Lord” (vs. 11), i.e., Jehovah.

3. Heb. 1:10: Here God the Father addresses the Son as “Lord,” in a quotation from Ps. 102:25 (cf. 102:24, where the person addressed is called “God”). Since here the Father addresses the Son as “Lord,” this cannot be explained away as a text in which a creature addresses Christ as God/Lord in a merely representational sense.

4. 1 Pet. 2:3-4: This verse is nearly an exact quotation of Ps. 34:8a, where “Lord” is Jehovah. From 1 Pet. 2:4-8 it is also clear that “the Lord” in v. 3 is Jesus.

5. 1 Pet. 3:13-15: these verses are a clear reference to Is. 8:12-13, where the one who is to be regarded as holy is Jehovah.

6. Texts where Jesus is spoken of as the “one Lord” (cf. Deut. 6:4; Mark 12:29): 1 Cor. 8:6; Eph. 4:5; cf. Rom. 10:12; 1 Cor. 12:5.

7. Many other texts that call Jesus “Lord” do so in ways that equate him with Yahweh: Matt. 3:3, Mark 1:3, and Luke 3:4 (cf. Is. 40:3); Matt. 7:21-22 and Luke 6:46; Matt. 8:25 and 14:30 (cf. Ps. 118:25); Acts 1:24 (addressing the Lord Jesus [cf. v. 21] in prayer and attributing to him divine knowledge); 2:21 (cf. Joel 2:32), 36; 7:59-60; 8:25; 1 Cor. 1:2 (calling on the Lord), 8 (the day of the Lord) [etc.], 31 (cf. Jer. 9:23-24); 2:16 (cf. Is. 40:13); 4:4-5; 5:4 (gathering in the name of the Lord); 6:11; 7:17, 32-35 (devotion to the Lord); 10:21-22; etc.

The Biblical Basis of the Doctrine of the Trinity, Part IV: The Son, Jesus Christ, Is God

Part IV of an outline study of the doctrine of the Trinity; this part shows that the Bible identifies Jesus Christ as God and that it attributes to him the works, attributes, and honors characteristic of God.

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As to Oneness--

Oneness Pentecostalism – Wikipedia
A comprehensive overview of the movement's history, theology, and practices.

United Pentecostal Church International (UPCI) – Official Website
The official site of the largest Oneness Pentecostal denomination, providing doctrinal statements and resources.

Oneness Pentecostalism – Theopedia
An article detailing the theological distinctions of Oneness Pentecostalism.

Oneness Pentecostalism – Apologetics Resource
A critical examination of Oneness theology from an evangelical perspective.

What are the beliefs of Jesus only / Oneness Pentecostals? – GotQuestions.org
A concise explanation of Oneness beliefs and how they differ from traditional Trinitarian doctrine.


Oneness theology and modalism are closely related, but they are not identical, even though they share significant similarities-

1. Modalism
An ancient theological perspective (considered heretical by mainstream Christianity) that teaches God is one person who appears in different modes or manifestations (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) at different times.

Modalists argue that God does not exist simultaneously as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit but rather shifts modes as needed.

Example: God was the Father in the Old Testament, the Son during Jesus’ earthly ministry, and the Holy Spirit after Pentecost.

2. Oneness Theology (Oneness Pentecostalism)
Shares the belief in the absolute oneness of God, rejecting the doctrine of the Trinity.

Unlike classical modalism, Oneness theology emphasizes that Jesus Christ is the one true God manifest in flesh, encompassing the fullness of the Godhead (Colossians 2:9).

They believe that Jesus simultaneously embodies the roles of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit rather than merely shifting modes.

They affirm that Jesus is the Father incarnate and the Holy Spirit active--not separate persons but manifestations of the one God.


While Oneness theology has roots in modalistic concepts, it distinctly emphasizes the fullness of the Godhead in Jesus Christ rather than merely God shifting modes. Oneness believers often reject the term "modalism" because it suggests a temporal shifting rather than the continuous fullness of God in Christ.

Correct me if I'm wrong Free.

J.

 

[JLB]

And that is a Oneness teaching.

they believe God (Jesus) manifests Himself as the Father, and also manifests Himself as the Son, as well as manifesting as the Holy Spirit.

This boils down to this one is three, rather than these three are one.


To put it another way the believe Jesus manifests in the “mode” of the Father, and at other times in the mode of the Son, and at other times in the mode of the Holy Spirit.

Again, this is… this one is three, rather than these three are one.

 

[Johann!@#]

they believe God (Jesus) manifests Himself as the Father, and also manifests Himself as the Son, as well as manifesting as the Holy Spirit.

This boils down to this one is three, rather than these three are one.


To put it another way the believe Jesus manifests in the “mode” of the Father, and at other times in the mode of the Son, and at other times in the mode of the Holy Spirit.

Again, this is… this one is three, rather than these three are one.

What are the beliefs of Jesus only / oneness Pentecostals? | GotQuestions.org

What are the beliefs of Jesus only / oneness Pentecostals? Does Oneness Pentecostalism deny the Trinity?

www.gotquestions.org

The "Jesus Only" movement, also known as Oneness Pentecostalism or oneness theology, teaches that there is only one God, but denies the tri-unity of God. In other words, oneness theology does not recognize the distinct persons of the Godhead: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. It has various forms / modes / manifestations—some see Jesus Christ as the one God, who sometimes manifests Himself as the Father or the Holy Spirit. The core doctrine of Oneness Pentecostal / Jesus Only is that Jesus is the Father and Jesus is the Spirit. There is one God who reveals Himself in different "modes."

This teaching of the Jesus Only / Oneness Pentecostals has been around for centuries, in one form or another, as modalism. Modalism teaches that God operated in different forms or modes at different times—sometimes as the Father, sometimes as the Son, and sometimes as the Holy Spirit. But passages like Matthew 3:16-17, where two or all three Persons of the Godhead are present, contradict the modalistic view. Modalism was condemned as heretical as early as the second century A.D. The early church strongly contended against the view that God is strictly a singular person who acted in different forms at different times. They argued from Scripture that the tri-unity of God is evident in that more than one Person of the Godhead is often seen simultaneously, and they often interact with one another (examples: Genesis 1:26; 3:22;11:7; Psalm 2:7; 104:30; 110:1; Matthew 28:19; John 14:16). Oneness Pentecostalism / Jesus Only doctrine is unbiblical.

The concept of the tri-unity of God, on the other hand, is present throughout Scripture. It is not a concept that is easily grasped by the finite mind. And because man likes everything to make sense in his theology, movements such as the Jesus Only movement—not to mention the Jehovah’s Witnesses—regularly arise to try to explain the nature of God. Of course, this simply cannot be done without doing violence to the biblical text. Christians have come to accept that God’s nature is not subject to the limitations we might like to put on Him. We simply believe Him when He says, "'For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,' declares the LORD. 'As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts"' (Isaiah 55:8-9). If we can’t understand His thoughts and ways, we accept that we cannot fully understand His nature, either.

J.

 

[JLB]

Jesus Only is that Jesus is the Father and Jesus is the Spirit. There is one God who reveals Himself in different "modes."

Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of the Father.

Jesus is YHWH the LORD.

It was the Spirit of Christ (the Spirit of the LORD) who spoke through the Old Testament prophets.

When we see the phrase thus says the LORD, it was Christ speaking.

Jesus Christ is not God the Father.

 

[Johann!@#]

Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of the Father.

Jesus is YHWH the LORD.

It was the Spirit of Christ (the Spirit of the LORD) who spoke through the Old Testament prophets.

When we see the phrase thus says the LORD, it was Christ speaking.

Jesus Christ is not God the Father

Jesus Christ is not God the Father.

Glad to hear you're not advocating for Oneness or Modalism.

J.

 

[Free]

they believe God (Jesus) manifests Himself as the Father, and also manifests Himself as the Son, as well as manifesting as the Holy Spirit.

This boils down to this one is three, rather than these three are one.


To put it another way the believe Jesus manifests in the “mode” of the Father, and at other times in the mode of the Son, and at other times in the mode of the Holy Spirit.

Again, this is… this one is three, rather than these three are one.

Yes, I know, but that is what your claim--"Jesus is the Name of the LORD; YHWH the LORD God"--supports. I was just checking to see if you still believed that, and it appears that you do.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Johann,

When discussing key passages, like John 8:58, where Jesus states "πρὶν Ἀβραὰμ γενέσθαι ἐγώ εἰμι" (prin Abraam genesthai ego eimi) meaning "Before Abraham was, I am", the critical point is how Jesus’ use of "ἐγώ εἰμι" (ego eimi) directly connects to Exodus 3:14 in the LXX, where God says "Ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ὤν" (ego eimi ho ōn) - "I am the Being." This phrase signifies eternal, self-existent identity.

I consider that I have stated sufficient to prove that the correct rendition of Exodus 3:14 is "I will be". Also I have a rather different perspective on John 8:58 and I briefly started this by stating that John 8:58 should be rendered "I am he", the same as in the immediate context John 8:24,28 and is part of the theme of whether Jesus is the Christ.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Johann!@#]

Greetings again Johann,

I consider that I have stated sufficient to prove that the correct rendition of Exodus 3:14 is "I will be". Also I have a rather different perspective on John 8:58 and I briefly started this by stating that John 8:58 should be rendered "I am he", the same as in the immediate context John 8:24,28 and is part of the theme of whether Jesus is the Christ.

Kind regards
Trevor

No problem TrevorL.

J.

 

[JLB]

Yes, I know, but that is what your claim--"Jesus is the Name of the LORD; YHWH the LORD God"--supports. I was just checking to see if you still believed that, and it appears that you do.

Yes.

I believe Jesus is the Name of the LORD; YHWH the LORD God

What is the Name of the LORD (YHWH) we call on to be saved?

For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.” Romans 10:13

 

[JLB]

Greetings again Johann,

I consider that I have stated sufficient to prove that the correct rendition of Exodus 3:14 is "I will be". Also I have a rather different perspective on John 8:58 and I briefly started this by stating that John 8:58 should be rendered "I am he", the same as in the immediate context John 8:24,28 and is part of the theme of whether Jesus is the Christ.

Kind regards
Trevor

Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Then they took up stones to throw at Him; John 8:58-59

Why do you believe the Jews were going to stone Jesus to death when He said this?

 

[Johann!@#]

I consider that I have stated sufficient to prove that the correct rendition of Exodus 3:14 is "I will be". Also I have a rather different perspective on John 8:58 and I briefly started this by stating that John 8:58 should be rendered "I am he", the same as in the immediate context John 8:24,28 and is part of the theme of whether Jesus is the Christ.

"the Lord of glory" This phrase is used of YHWH in Acts 7:2; Eph. 1:17 and probably is an allusion to Exod. 24:16. A similar phrase is used of Jesus in James 2:1. This is another example of NT authors using a title of YHWH for Jesus and, thereby, asserting His equality with YHWH (cf. 2 Cor. 4:6).

In Gen. 4:26 it is said "men began to call upon the name of the Lord" (YHWH). However, Exod. 6:3 implies that early covenant people (the Patriarchs and their families) knew God only as El Shaddai The name YHWH is explained only one time in Exod. 3:13-16, esp. v. 14. However, the writings of Moses often interpret words by popular word plays, not etymologies (cf. Gen. 17:5; 27:36; 29:13-35). There have been several theories as to the meaning of this name (taken from IDB, vol. 2, pp. 409-11).
from an Arabic root, "to show fervent love"
from an Arabic root "to blow" (YHWH as storm God)
from a Ugartic (Canaanite) root "to speak"
following a Phoenician inscription, a CAUSATIVE PARTICIPLE meaning "the One who sustains," or "the One who establishes"
from the Hebrew Qal form "the One who is," or "the One who is present" (in FUTURE TENSE, "the One who will be")
from the Hebrew Hiphil form "the One who causes to be"
from the Hebrew root "to live" (e.g., Gen. 3:21), meaning "the ever-living, only-living One"
from the context of Exod. 3:13-16 a play on the IMPERFECT form used in a PERFECT TENSE, "I shall continue to be what I used to be" or "I shall continue to be what I have always been" (cf. J. Wash Watts, A Survey of Syntax in the Old Testament, p. 67).

The full name YHWH is often expressed in abbreviation or possibly an original form.
(1) Yah (e.g., Hallelu ‒ yah, BDB 219, cf. Exod. 15:2; 17:16; Ps. 89:8; 104:35)
(2) Yahu ("iah" ending of names, e.g., Isaiah)
(3) Yo ("Jo," beginning of names, e.g., Joshua or Joel)

There has been much speculation about the meaning of this name (cf. NIDOTTE, vol. 4, pp. 1295-1300). There is still mystery here. It is surely possible that Moses' question is about God's character (cf. Exod. 34:6), not a title. God's answer is

(1) I am too mysterious for you to grasp.
(2) I am the ever present One.
(3) I am sovereign and will do what I will ("He causes to be," Albright).
(4) The Hiphil implies causality, therefore, "I Am The Creator God."
(5) John Walton, the God who creates a relationship (i.e., covenant-making God).
(6) The Jewish Study Bible (p. 111) suggests it means "My nature will become evident from My actions."
(7) Summary, see NIDOTTE, vol. 1, pp. 1024-1025
Should we look for etymology or imagery? The JPSOA lists three possible options for the Hebrew.
(a) I Am That I Am
(b) I Am Who I Am
(c) I Will Be What I Will Be

In later Judaism this covenant name became so holy (the tetragrammaton) that Jews were afraid to say it lest they break the command of Exod. 20:7; Deut. 5:11; 6:13. So they substituted the Hebrew term for "owner," "master," "husband," "lord"—adon or adonai (my lord; see SPECIAL TOPIC: LORD (adon and kurios). When they came to YHWH in their reading of OT texts they pronounced "lord."

This is why YHWH is written Lord in English translations.
As with El, YHWH is often combined with other terms to emphasize certain characteristics of the Covenant God of Israel. While there are many possible combination terms, here are some.
(1) YHWH ‒ Yireh (YHWH will provide, BDB 217 & 906), Gen. 22:14
(2) YHWH ‒ Rophekha (YHWH is your healer, BDB 217 & 950, Qal PARTICIPLE), Exod. 15:26
(3) YHWH ‒ Nissi (YHWH is my banner, BDB 217 & 651), Exod. 17:15
(4) YHWH ‒ Meqaddishkem (YHWH the One who sanctifies you, BDB 217 & 872, Piel PARTICIPLE), Exod. 31:13
(5) YHWH ‒ Shalom (YHWH is Peace, BDB 217 & 1022), Jdgs. 6:24
(6) YHWH ‒ Sabbaoth (YHWH of hosts, BDB 217 & 878), 1 Sam. 1:3,11; 4:4; 15:2; often in the Prophets
(7) YHWH ‒ Ro'I (YHWH is my shepherd, BDB 217 & 944, Qal PARTICIPAL), Ps. 23:1
(8) YHWH ‒ Sidqenu (YHWH is our righteousness, BDB 217 & 841), Jer. 23:6
(9) YHWH ‒ Shammah (YHWH is there, BDB 217 & 1027), Ezek. 48:35

THE NAMES FOR DEITY

Names for Deity -- Special Topic by Dr. Bob Utley, professor of hermeneutics (retired).

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Regards TrevorL

Johann.

 

[Free]

Yes.

I believe Jesus is the Name of the LORD; YHWH the LORD God

To say that "Jesus is the Name of the LORD; YHWH the LORD God," not only makes no sense, it is to say that Jesus is the name of the Trinity, which is to deny the Trinity and teach Jesus Only, or Oneness, doctrine. Jesus is the name of the Son only, not the Trinity. Jesus is the one who died for our sins, being both God and man, hence why we have salvation in his name. But that name does not extend to either the Father or the Holy Spirit.

What is the Name of the LORD (YHWH) we call on to be saved?

For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.” Romans 10:13

Which is only to say that Jesus is YHWH and it is in his name that we have salvation, not that the name of YHWH is Jesus. You're getting things quite mixed up, and in so doing, are inadvertently confusing Oneness doctrine with Trinitarianism.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again JLB,

Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Then they took up stones to throw at Him; John 8:58-59
Why do you believe the Jews were going to stone Jesus to death when He said this?

This is a major climax to a series of events as described by the record of John's Gospel, and also even by what Matthew states about the birth of Jesus, and the mentions of the various encounters recorded in Matthew, Mark and Luke. All of this was a gradual process. For the believers and immediate disciples and apostles there was a gradual growth of understanding and acceptance of Jesus and his teaching. On the other hand the opposition increased and many of these became increasingly deaf and blind and their hearts became hardened as prophesied by Isaiah in Isaiah 6:9-10.

To take John 8:58-59 in isolation as if it is a simple, straightforward Judicial event based upon the immediate discussion completely ignores this build up, not only over the full ministry of Jesus, but also the immediate context of John 7 and 8. Perhaps briefly looking at these two chapters.

The tension was already there before Jesus went to the Feast:
John 7:11–13 (KJV): 11 Then the Jews sought him at the feast, and said, Where is he? 12 And there was much murmuring among the people concerning him: for some said, He is a good man: others said, Nay; but he deceiveth the people. 13 Howbeit no man spake openly of him for fear of the Jews.

The situation as it developed is mentioned in the following:
John 7:25–26 (KJV): 25 Then said some of them of Jerusalem, Is not this he, whom they seek to kill? 26 But, lo, he speaketh boldly, and they say nothing unto him. Do the rulers know indeed that this is the very Christ?

The Pharisees and Chief Priests attempted to arrest him, and it is amusing but also remarkable the answer by the officers:
John 7:32 (KJV): The Pharisees heard that the people murmured such things concerning him; and the Pharisees and the chief priests sent officers to take him.
John 7:45–48 (KJV): 45 Then came the officers to the chief priests and Pharisees; and they said unto them, Why have ye not brought him? 46 The officers answered, Never man spake like this man. 47 Then answered them the Pharisees, Are ye also deceived? 48 Have any of the rulers or of the Pharisees believed on him?

This last question prompted Nicodemus' response:
John 7:50–53 (KJV): 50 Nicodemus saith unto them, (he that came to Jesus by night, being one of them,) 51 Doth our law judge any man, before it hear him, and know what he doeth? 52 They answered and said unto him, Art thou also of Galilee? Search, and look: for out of Galilee ariseth no prophet. 53 And every man went unto his own house.

I have included John 7:53 in the above as this verse and the events of John 8:1-11 are not always accepted, or sometimes not placed here. I suggest that this portion is in the correct place and this shows that this event takes place early the next day. This incident could very well be a response to Nicodemus' request, as if to say: "You want a Judicial process. Let us see how he handles the Law". We know the outcome, and their subterfuge and hypocrisy is revealed. What I also consider important is the way Jesus interrupts the possibility of throwing stones to kill her. The Pharisees would be looking for some volatile member of the audience to throw the first stone. But Jesus thwarted their plans by demanding:
John 8:5–9 (KJV): 5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? 6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. 7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. 9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
I suggest that this sequence carries over to John 8:59, where the common people, even the volatile ones, refused to be stirred up by the Pharisees to cast the first stone at Jesus.

We could discuss at length what was argued between Jesus and the Pharisees in John 8:12-55 and briefly he accuses the Pharisees that they were not true descendants of Abraham, while Jesus suggests that he himself is the true seed of Abraham, through whom the promises would be fulfilled. This ALL leads to the encounter in the next verses and an important statement by Jesus is:
John 8:56 (KJV): Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
I suggest that this is an allusion to Genesis 22 at least.

The Jews were not at all interested in what Jesus states here, but deliberately muddy the waters and hijack the conversation. Jesus faithfully and truly speaks the truth to them, but they deliberately ignore what he states and falsely accuse him of blasphemy. The Pharisees failed to have Jesus stoned as he had prepared the crowd and even the volatile ones as a result of the earlier incident and the crowd could see through the duplicity and hypocrisy of the Pharisees.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Johann,

There has been much speculation about the meaning of this name (cf. NIDOTTE, vol. 4, pp. 1295-1300). There is still mystery here. It is surely possible that Moses' question is about God's character (cf. Exod. 34:6), not a title.

Please refer to my previous response:

I consider that I have stated sufficient to prove that the correct rendition of Exodus 3:14 is "I will be".

But yes, the Yahweh Name is also associated with His Character:
Exodus 34:5–7 (KJV): 5 And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD. 6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, 7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children’s children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

This character became fully revealed in God's only begotten Son:
John 1:14 (KJV): And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

I consider that the Yahweh Name is like a golden thread throughout the Bible, and it may be obscure to some, but God has not left such an important subject to obscurity and impossible mystery. For those that understand this and any other Bible theme, the subject develops from a golden thread to a golden stream.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Johann!@#]

Greetings again Johann,

Please refer to my previous response:

But yes, the Yahweh Name is also associated with His Character:
Exodus 34:5–7 (KJV): 5 And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD. 6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, 7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children’s children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

This character became fully revealed in God's only begotten Son:
John 1:14 (KJV): And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

I consider that the Yahweh Name is like a golden thread throughout the Bible, and it may be obscure to some, but God has not left such an important subject to obscurity and impossible mystery. For those that understand this and any other Bible theme, the subject develops from a golden thread to a golden stream.

Kind regards
Trevor

---for those who "understand this"" and "any other Bible theme"

Got it.

J.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Johann,

Got it.

Could I ask a question or two? We have witnessed the recent election of a new Pope. One thing that surprised me was the vast array of 171 or thereabouts Cardinals all decked out in their regalia and all the pomp and ceremony. At the time you were running numerous Posts detailing the Trinity and this gathering of the Cardinals reminded me of a similar gathering called the Council of Nicaea where the Apostate Catholic Church hosted a large gathering of Bishops to formulate some aspects of the Trinity.

Where did all these Cardinals come from in the Bible and where did all the Bishops come from in the Bible? Do the Protestant Churches endorse the Trinity because of their close affinity with the RCC?

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Johann!@#]

Greetings again Johann,

Could I ask a question or two? We have witnessed the recent election of a new Pope. One thing that surprised me was the vast array of 171 or thereabouts Cardinals all decked out in their regalia and all the pomp and ceremony. At the time you were running numerous Posts detailing the Trinity and this gathering of the Cardinals reminded me of a similar gathering called the Council of Nicaea where the Apostate Catholic Church hosted a large gathering of Bishops to formulate some aspects of the Trinity.

Where did all these Cardinals come from in the Bible and where did all the Bishops come from in the Bible? Do the Protestant Churches endorse the Trinity because of their close affinity with the RCC?

Kind regards
Trevor

Hi TrevorL

Good question. Unfortunately, I don’t know much about the new Pope since, here in South Africa, I don’t have access to radio or TV. I get news secondhand from YouTube, which isn’t always reliable.

However, I get the impression that you may have a stance either for or against the Triune Godhead. Am I correct?

Johann.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Johann,

However, I get the impression that you may have a stance either for or against the Triune Godhead.

I believe that there is One God, Yahweh, God the Father and that our Lord Jesus Christ is a human, now exalted to sit at the right hand of God, in God the Father's Throne, and Jesus is the Son of God by birth, character and resurrection.

Kind regards
Trevor