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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
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Perpetual virginity of Mary!
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Where is Abraham’s mother and brothers mentioned in the verse you are referring to?
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In Hebrew culture any close relative can be called brother or sister, lot was called Abraham’s brother but was his nephew.
Gen 12:5 and Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother's son..
Gen 13:8 And Abram said unto Lot, Let there be no strife, I pray thee, between me and thee, and between my herdsmen and thy herdsmen; for we are Brothers.
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Ezekiel 44:2 “This gate shall remain shut; it shall not be opened, and no one shall enter by it; for the Lord, the God of Israel, has entered by it; therefore it shall remain shut.”
matt 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lordappeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
Song of Solomon 4:12 A garden inclosed is my sister, my spouse; a spring shut up, a fountain sealed.
Mary had become the temple & dwelling place of the Almighty!
Lk 1:34 because I am a virgin!
other children are impossible
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Lk 1:38 Behold the "handmaid of the Lord"!
see exodus anything consecrated to God MUST be pure, holy, and for God's purposes ONLY!
Mary had become the temple & dwelling place of the Almighty, like the Ark of the Covenant in the Old Testament. Mary was a vessel consecrated to God alone?
The pure of heart shall see God. Matt 5:8
Because of Her immaculate Conception and being filled with the plenitude of divine grace Mary from her mother’s womb saw the beatific vision of God in heaven on His throne, and was consumed with love and desire for God and His will, she dedicated and consecrated and sacrificed her entire being to Him forever, and began interceding and imploring God’s grace and mercy!
And the coming of the messiah the savior of the world!
including Her virginity!
Amen!
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Why, exactly, are "other children . . . impossible"? Nothing you have given supports that assertion.
Which is every true believer (see Acts 2:18).
One false teaching begets another, hence why Mary's (supposed) dedication and consecration and sacrifice of "her entire being to [God] forever," is added to her (supposed) "beatific vision," which is added to her (supposed) immaculate conception, which is added to her (supposed) perpetual virginity. All unbiblical conjecture and entirely without basis in reality.
The more you give the doctrine of the CC, the more I am convinced of the CC's errors.
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When coupled with mother, it only contextually means biological mother and biological mother.
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Then Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I do not know a man?”
Luke 1:34
This means Mary would conceive a baby even though she was a virgin.
Everyone agree that Mary was a virgin, when she conceived the Man Jesus Christ.
Afterward she had other children.
James being one of them.
Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and remained with him fifteen days. But I saw none of the other apostles except James, the Lord’s brother.
Galatians 1:18-19
Why would Paul refer to James as the Lord’s brother, if His family members were is brother?
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where is there a time limit?
does it say James is a biological brother?
That would make James the son of God! that which is born of the shall be called holy, the son of God. Lk 1:35
it also says
Matthew 13:55
Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
Mk 15:40 There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome;
Matthew 27:56
Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedees children.
Acts 4:36
And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,
(Cannot be Mary’s child, Mary was of the tribe of Judah and the royal house of David the king!) Lk 1:32-33
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Please explain how Mary having other children makes those children sons of God?
You do understand we must be born again, right?
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born again by water & the spirit or baptism yes
scripture says Lk 1:35
And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
born of Mary is the son of God alone!
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Luk 1:35 And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy—the Son of God.
It means what it plainly means: that Jesus was conceived in Mary by "the power of the Most High." What it absolutely does not say is that "born of Mary is the son of God alone." I have no idea why you keep appealing to this verse, since it clearly does not state what you claim it does. You are reading what you want into that verse.
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it doesn't say that which will be born of Thee shall be called "James"
the church fathers identify James as the cousin of Christ!
HIPPOLYTUS OF ROME
“But the pious confession of the believer is that . . . the Creator of all things incorporated with Himself a rational soul and a sensible body from the all-holy Mary, ever-virgin, by an undefiled conception, without conversion, and was made man in nature, but separate from wickedness. . . ” (Against Beron and Helix: Fragment VIII [A.D. 210])HILARY OF POITIERS
“If they [the brethren of the Lord] had been Mary’s sons and not those taken from Joseph’s former marriage, she would never have been given over in the moment of the passion [crucifixion] to the apostle John as his mother, the Lord saying to each, ‘Woman, behold your son,’ and to John, ‘Behold your mother’ [John 19:26–27), as he bequeathed filial love to a disciple as a consolation to the one desolate” (Commentary on Matthew 1:4 [A.D. 354]).ATHANASIUS
“Let those, therefore, who deny that the Son is by nature from the Father and proper to his essence deny also that he took true human flesh from the ever-virgin Mary” (Discourses Against the Arians 2:70 [A.D. 360]).POPE SIRICIUS I
“You had good reason to be horrified at the thought that another birth might issue from the same virginal womb from which Christ was born according to the flesh. For the Lord Jesus would never have chosen to be born of a virgin if he had ever judged that she would be so incontinent as to contaminate with the seed of human intercourse the birthplace of the Lord’s body, that court of the eternal king” (Letter to Bishop Anysius [A.D. 392]).supported by scripture
Ezekiel 44:2 “This gate shall remain shut; it shall not be opened, and no one shall enter by it; for the Lord, the God of Israel, has entered by it; therefore it shall remain shut.”
Song of Solomon 4:12 A garden inclosed is my sister, my spouse; a spring shut up, a fountain sealed.
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How is this relevant?
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...not however of Mary the mother of our Lord, to be an apostle, or not? If he is an apostle, he must be the son of Alphæus and a believer in Jesus, For neither did his brethren believe in him. If he is not an apostle, but a third James (who he can be I cannot tell), how can he be regarded as the Lord's brother, and how, being a third, can he be called less to distinguish him from greater, when greater and less are used to denote the relations existing, not between three, but between two? Notice, moreover, that the Lord's brother is an apostle, since Paul says, Galatians 1:18-19 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to visit Cephas, and tarried with him fifteen days. But other of the Apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.And in the same Epistle, Galatians 2:9And when they perceived the grace that was given unto me, James and Cephas and John, who were reputed to be pillars, etc. And that you may not suppose this James to be the son of Zebedee, you have only to read the Acts of the Apostles, and you will find that the latter had already been slain by Herod. The only conclusion is that the Mary who is described as the mother of James the Less was the wife of Alphæus and sister of Mary the Lord's mother, the one who is called by John the Evangelist Mary of Clopas, whether after her father, or kindred, or for some other reason.
St. Jerome
In Holy Scripture there are four kinds of brethren — by nature, race, kindred, love.
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St. Jerome
In Holy Scripture there are four kinds of brethren — by nature, race, kindred, love.
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Yes the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary, and she conceived Jesus who was already the Son of God.
The Son of God became flesh. The Word became flesh.
Mary is not some Son of God maker, if that is what you are somehow saying.
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James the Lord’s brother was not of the twelve, just as Paul wasn’t of the twelve.
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Thank goodness we have scripture and the Spirit of truth to guide us.
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