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"Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene,"

Some even try claim Marys sister was a Mary or Mary Clopas. The above verse as i see it the 3 Marys, Mother Mary, Mary M, and Mary Clopas, and Mother Marys sister is another individual.
 
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This is what I think from my own bible study but im open to correction. These are different individual women in scripture near the cross.

Mary M.

Mother Mary of Jesus, James, and Joses.

Mother Marys sister who was there supporting her sister Mary at the cross and she was Jesus Aunty. Thats close family makes sense Marys sister would be there with the other women.

Mary wife of Cleopas.

Salome.

The Mother of Zebadees Sons and diciples James and John.

Mother Marys sister is unknown by name in scripture , yet the Mary of Bethony leads towards being Mary M who has a sister Martha and there brother is Lazereth, and Simon who had leprocy was most probably Martha's husband because one account says it was Marthas house and another account says it was Simons house, or Simon could have been Marthas Son.
 
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Zebadees Sons James and John were diciples of Jesus and there Mother was near the cross with the other women.

And Mary was the Mother of James and Joseph and there was no Joseph diciple and aside from Jesus dad who is anyone called Joseph? The only other Joseph I can see is a Joseph of Aramathia.

Yet Jesus did have brothers called James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas, yet they all different people not those of the 12 diciples with 2x James, Judas, or Simon the zealot or a Simon Peter.

The reason I believe Mother Mary is in one account near the cross is called Jesus Mother and the other accounts as the Mother of James and Joseph is because Jesus is on the cross and the witness and the focus is around him, so there is no need to call her the Mother of Jesus as Jesus is already there, and the accounts revolve around him as the centre, so saying Mary the Mother of James and Joseph while her other Son Jesus is on the cross is looking at it in a different way, yet one account gives the clarity that it was Mary the mother of Jesus, and Mary is the Mother of Jesus brothers who were called a James and a Joseph in scripture.

I'm always open to correction so correct me if im wrong or possibly wrong.
 
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Zebadees Sons James and John were diciples of Jesus and there Mother was near the cross with the other women.

And Mary was the Mother of James and Joseph and there was no Joseph diciple and aside from Jesus dad who is anyone called Joseph? The only other Joseph I can see is a Joseph of Aramathia.

Yet Jesus did have brothers called James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas, yet they all different people not those of the 12 diciples with 2x James, Judas, or Simon the zealot or a Simon Peter.

The reason I believe Mother Mary is in one account near the cross is called Jesus Mother and the other accounts as the Mother of James and Joseph is because Jesus is on the cross and the witness and the focus is around him, so there is no need to call her the Mother of Jesus as Jesus is already there, and the accounts revolve around him as the centre, so saying Mary the Mother of James and Joseph while her other Son Jesus is on the cross is looking at it in a different way, yet one account gives the clarity that it was Mary the mother of Jesus, and Mary is the Mother of Jesus brothers who were called a James and a Joseph in scripture.

I'm always open to correction so correct me if im wrong or possibly wrong.
I believe this has been thoughtfully, and biblically explained to you Corn Pop?

With the proper links?

J.
 
Corn Pop and Johann!@#

I rewrote that of what I first posted. Hoping this clears things up about the three Mary's.

Three mothers named Mary in scripture. Mary the mother of Jesus, wife of Joseph, Mary, also known as Salome, the wife of Zebedee. Salome is not to be confused with Salome the daughter of Herodias. And there with the other two Mary's was Mary Magdalene as all three witnessed the Crucifixion of Jesus.

Matthew 27:55 And many women were there beholding afar off, which followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering unto him: 56 Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's children.

Three mothers named Mary:
1. Mary the mother of Jesus, wife of Joseph, and the mother of James, Joses, Juda, and Simon

2. Mary, also known as Salome, the wife of Zebedee, being the mother of James and John, called the Sons of Thunder, Mark 1:20; Mark 16:1

3. And there with the other two Mary's was Mary Magdalene being a follower of Christ as all three witnessed the crucifixion of Jesus.

John 19:26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! 27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

Jesus looked down from the cross and saw His own mother named Mary and standing by her was His disciple John. Jesus then told John to look at his own mother whose name was Mary the wife of Zebedee. From that hour John took his mother to his own home.

Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulcher.
Mark 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

The other Mary mentioned in that scripture was Mary Salome, the wife of Zebedee who also brought spices to the tomb of Jesus, Mark 16:1.




Conclusion:

Mary Magdalene (called Magdalene because she was born in Magdala, Israel) and Mary named Marie of Bethany (born at Al-Eizariya name for modern Bethany) are not the same person.

Side note: Marie and Mary are the same name. My Great Aunt's name was Marie when she lived in Romania, but when she came to America it was pronounced Mary.

According to the Genealogy of Eucharis and Cyrus who was the King of the Benjamite tribe in Magdala and a descendant from the House of David are the parents of Mary Magdalene, Mary/Marie of Bethany, Martha and Lazarus.

Mary Magdalene was born in Magdala hence the surname Magdalene, Mary/Marie of Bethany was born in Al-Eizariya later known as Bethany, Martha born in Palestine and was the mother of Mark and John who was a widow, Lazarus was born in Al-Eizariya (Bethany).

This was Mary Magdalene, daughter of Eucharis and Cyrus, a sister to Mary of Bethany, Martha and Lazarus. The other Mary is described in Mark 16:1 as Mary the mother of James, the wife of Zebedee.

Luke 8:2 And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils.

This is the same Mary who had the alabaster jar filled with perfume who poured the perfume over the head of Jesus and also washed and kissed the feet of Jesus, Matthew 26:6-9; Luke 7:36-50; John 12:1-3.

Mary Magdalene, Mary of Bethany, Martha and Lazarus parents were Cyrus and Eucharis from Magdala along the sea of Galilee where Cyrus was the King over the tribe of Benjamin being a royal descendant of the house of David. They had a castle there called Magdalon. A family of wealth and after Cyrus died the children inherited vast riches and possessions. Lazarus took to the military life, Martha ruled her possessions with great discretion and was a model of virtue and propriety sort of addicted to worldly cares. Probably was why she fussed so much when Jesus came to their house. Mary Magdalene involved herself with luxurious pleasures and extravagant life style she was known through all the country as "The Sinner" and very promiscuous. The seven demons which posse her that Jesus cast out of her where the seven deadly sins: gluttony, fornication, covetousness, anger, spiritual sluggishness and ego.

The other Mary is described in Mark 16:1; Mark 15:40 and Matthew 20:20, 21 as Mary the mother of James and John as she is also known by the name Mary Salome and the wife of Zebedee. She was not a sister to Mary Magdalene, Mary of Bethany, Martha and Lazarus as their parents were Cyrus and Eucharis from Magdala along the sea of Galilee where Cyrus was the King over the tribe of Benjamin being a royal descendant of the house of David.

It can be confusing unless you separate them all and know who their parents are.

John 19:25 we see another Mary, the wife of Cleophas, as only Church tradition says she is the sister-in-law of Mary the mother of Jesus through Cleophas being a brother of Joseph. She also brought spices to the tomb of Jesus. It is believed that Mary and Cleophas were the parents of children named James (the lesser), Simon, Thaddeus and Joseph. Mary and Zebedee were the parents of James the greater and John who was beloved of Christ who became an Apostle.

John 1:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulcher, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulcher.

In this verse we only read about Mary Magdalene coming to the tomb very early on the first day of the week (Sunday) possibly right around sunrise as it was still dark so this would have to be at the very end of sabbath being passed. In Mark 1:1 it states sabbath was past and then we not only see Mary Magdalene, but also Mary the mother of James (the lesser), and Mary Salome the wife of Cleophas, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint Jesus.

Mat 27:56 Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James (the lesser) and Joses, and Mary Salome wife of Zebedee's children John and James the Great.
Forget the part I wrote about Mary Magdalene's background, family and where she was from as I need to look into this further, but it would explain why she had expensive ointment, John 12:3, and helped finance Jesus ministry, Luke 8:1-3.

I will stick to my explanation of the three Mary's found in scripture.
 
Forget the part I wrote about Mary Magdalene's background, family and where she was from as I need to look into this further, but it would explain why she had expensive ointment, John 12:3, and helped finance Jesus ministry, Luke 8:1-3.

I will stick to my explanation of the three Mary's found in scripture.

Where do you get your stories from?. Are they biblical or from some outside sources like example you said Mary Magdalene, Mary of Bethany, Martha and Lazarus parents were Cyrus and Eucharis from Magdala and they had a castle there called Magdalon. I have heard of that before yet not sure where it originated.
 
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I believe this has been thoughtfully, and biblically explained to you Corn Pop?

With the proper links?

J.

I have thoughtfully and biblically explained it to myself as I just study and read directly from the scriptures myself and study the different accounts to try figure situations out, yet I am always open to correction, not only because I could be wrong or missed something but also because I memorise the scripture and don't use notes or have links or anything and sometimes I have to go back and read again like if I say something I think is correct but could be wrong or is wrong and get corrected I can go back to scripture to check and be humble and learn from the mistake. I try not to make anything I say out as a true statement but more correct me if im wrong or could be wrong type thing. Its all learning.
 
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I have thoughtfully and biblically explained it to myself as I just study and read directly from the scriptures myself and study the different accounts to try figure situations out, yet I am always open to correction, not only because I could be wrong or missed something but also because I memorise the scripture and don't use notes or have links or anything and sometimes I have to go back and read again like if I say something could be wrong or is wrong I can go back to scripture to check.
No problem. Many people read the Bible without consulting secondary resources outside of Scripture. Reading the Bible alone is perfectly fine--I just don’t do that myself. Good for you memorizing the scriptures and yet here you are still struggling.
I won't send links, notes or "anything" in future with you, a waste of my time, don't you think?

J.
 
No problem. Many people read the Bible without consulting secondary resources outside of Scripture. Reading the Bible alone is perfectly fine--I just don’t do that myself. Good for you memorizing the scriptures and yet here you are still struggling.
I won't send links, notes or "anything" in future with you, a waste of my time, don't you think?

J.

I don't think there is anything wrong with links that study a specific situation in scripture with biblical reference to back it up that could correct someone or help someone understand.

If I read the scriptures myself and im no expert I think its good that I question and discuss with others who can correct me if im wrong with scripture backup.
 
I don't think there is anything wrong with links that study a specific situation in scripture with biblical reference to back it up that could correct someone or help someone understand.

If I read the scriptures myself and im no expert I think its good that I question and discuss with others who can correct me if im wrong with scripture backup.
I believe I’ve already answered you. Personally, I think the seven Marys are not a salvation issue.

Here are the seven Marys mentioned in the New Testament, with their proper Hebrew and Greek names:

Mary, the mother of Jesus - Μαρία (Maria) / מִרְיָם (Miryam)

Mary Magdalene - Μαρία ἡ Μαγδαληνή (Maria hē Magdalēnē) / מִרְיָם מִגְדַּל (Miryam Migdal)

Mary of Bethany (sister of Martha and Lazarus) - Μαρία (Maria) / מִרְיָם (Miryam)

Mary, the mother of James and Joses - Μαρία (Maria) / מִרְיָם (Miryam)

Mary, the mother of John Mark - Μαρία (Maria) / מִרְיָם (Miryam)

Mary, wife of Clopas - Μαρία (Maria) / מִרְיָם (Miryam)

Mary of Rome (mentioned by Paul) - Μαρία (Maria) / מִרְיָם (Miryam)

What you are "struggling with might be this?

The name "Shalome" (or Salome) in the New Testament is rendered as:

Greek: Σαλώμη (Salṓmē)

Hebrew: שָׁלוֹם (Shalom)

Salome is traditionally identified as one of the women who followed Jesus and was present at His crucifixion (Mark 15:40) and at His tomb (Mark 16:1).

J.
 
I don't think there is anything wrong with links that study a specific situation in scripture with biblical reference to back it up that could correct someone or help someone understand.

If I read the scriptures myself and im no expert I think its good that I question and discuss with others who can correct me if im wrong with scripture backup.

This might help Corn Pop.

J.
 
I believe I’ve already answered you. Personally, I think the seven Marys are not a salvation issue.

I agree it's not a salvation issue, it's only discussion about situations in scripture, I don't think God is going to condem people because they thought there were 3 Marys or 10 Marys or if Mother Mary was ever Virgin or she had relations with her husband after Christ was born, its not a issue, they not salvation issues. The gospel of salvation revolves around Christ alone no one else.
 
I agree it's not a salvation issue, it's only discussion about situations in scripture, I don't think God is going to condem people because they thought there were 3 Marys or 10 Marys or if Mother Mary was ever Virgin or she had relations with her husband they not salvation issues. The gospel of salvation revolves around Christ alone.
Amen.

Christ Crucified as the Core Message
1 Corinthians 2:2 (NASB)
"For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified."

Paul emphasizes that his primary focus was on Christ and His crucifixion, rejecting any reliance on human wisdom.

2. Proclaiming Christ as Lord
2 Corinthians 4:5 (NASB)
"For we do not preach ourselves but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as your bond-servants for Jesus’ sake."

Paul clarifies that his message is not self-centered but entirely focused on Jesus as Lord.

3. The Gospel as the Good News of Christ
Romans 1:16 (NASB)
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek."

The gospel Paul preached is centered on Jesus’ redemptive work, highlighting its universal power to save.

4. Preaching Jesus as the Promised Messiah
Acts 9:20 (NASB)
"And immediately he began to proclaim Jesus in the synagogues, saying, 'He is the Son of God.'"

From the beginning of his ministry, Paul declared Jesus as the Messiah, acknowledging His divine sonship.

5. Christ, the Fulfillment of the Law
Romans 10:4 (NASB)
"For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."

Paul emphasizes that Jesus is the culmination of the law, pointing to the righteousness found in Him.

6. The Centrality of Christ in Resurrection
1 Corinthians 15:14 (NASB)
"And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain."

Paul’s message is not just about Christ’s death but also His resurrection, emphasizing that without the risen Christ, his entire preaching would be meaningless.

7. Paul’s Personal Testimony of Christ
Galatians 2:20 (NASB)
"I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me..."

Paul’s life and ministry are deeply rooted in his identity with Christ, showing that his entire existence is Christ-centered.

Powerful verses when studied and you can't go wrong here

Here--WE can go wrong--


Avoiding Myths and Endless Genealogies
1 Timothy 1:4 (NASB)
"Nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of God which is by faith."

Paul instructs Timothy to avoid speculative teachings that do not build up faith or godly stewardship.

2. Guarding Against Foolish Controversies
Titus 3:9 (NASB)
"But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless."

Paul warns that such disputes are pointless and do not edify the believer.

3. Rejecting Profane and Empty Chatter
2 Timothy 2:16 (NASB)
"But avoid worldly and empty chatter, for it will lead to further ungodliness."

Idle talk and speculative discussions can lead to ungodliness, rather than fostering spiritual growth.


4. Turning Away from Quarreling About Words
2 Timothy 2:14 (NASB)
"Remind them of these things, and solemnly charge them in the presence of God not to wrangle about words, which is useless and leads to the ruin of the hearers."

Engaging in arguments over words can cause confusion and division among believers.


5. Not Getting Entangled in Foolish and Ignorant Speculations
2 Timothy 2:23 (NASB)
"But refuse foolish and ignorant speculations, knowing that they produce quarrels."

Paul emphasizes that speculative ideas lead to unnecessary arguments and should be avoided.


6. Keeping the Focus on Edification
1 Timothy 6:4-5 (NASB)
"He is conceited and understands nothing; but he has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions, and constant friction between men of depraved mind and deprived of the truth..."

Paul critiques those who pursue arguments and speculative doctrines for selfish reasons, warning that it leads to conflict and corruption.

Where scripture is silent , WE stay silent, not so Corn Pop?

J.
 
Where do you get your stories from?. Are they biblical or from some outside sources like example you said Mary Magdalene, Mary of Bethany, Martha and Lazarus parents were Cyrus and Eucharis from Magdala and they had a castle there called Magdalon. I have heard of that before yet not sure where it originated.
I did ask that everyone forget about the background I gave about Mary Magdalene as I have to research it further as it seems to only be a traditional teaching stemming from the Catholic Church.
 
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