What happens now. the New World Order....

[Keraz]

It seems to me that many people don’t see how the Bible prophesies tie together to make a whole coherent picture.
There is no doubt that Daniel and Revelation have many parallel prophesies, that can also be seen; giving more details, in the other Bible books.

Regarding a One World Government: This concept has been around for a long time and many overt and covert movements have promoted it. That such a political entity will happen, led by a charismatic man known to us as the Anti-Christ, is quite clearly prophesied in Daniel 7:23-24 and described in Daniel 11:21-45, paralleled in Revelation 17:12-13 and described in Revelation 13:1-18.

The problem the promoters of the OWG have now, is the refusal of the nations to relinquish their sovereignty. We all prefer to do our own thing and with the current world situation, this works OK. There are hiccups with nations that mismanage their economies, but it is against the interests of the IMF and the ‘gnomes of Zurich’ to allow a nation to go bankrupt.

So, in order to force the nations to agree to a OWG; initially 10 regions, governed by 10 Presidents*, they know there has to be some kind of dramatic event to start this process. That planned event is to be a nuke attack in the Middle East. A mini WW3, that will shake up the world and have the beneficial effect of solving the Palestinian/ Israel conflict - they would both be gone!

Iran will proceed with their avowed plans to wipe Israel off the map and the recent developments in Syria, Gaza and Israel, is an indication of how close we are to this attack. They know such an attack will result in their own destruction, but they will do it, as their Satanic religion pushes them into it. Ezekiel 35:6, Proverbs 8:32

However, it won’t be retaliation by Israel or America that will thwart this secret attack by Iran and her allies onto Israel, the Lord will take action and He will destroy them all, Ezekiel 7:14, Psalms 11:4-6, Psalms 83, 2 Peter 3:7, virtually depopulating the entire Middle East region. Hosea 4:3, Ezekiel 30:2-5, Jeremiah 10:18, Jeremiah 49:35, Isaiah 34:5, Zephaniah 1:14-18 & 2:4-5 and many other prophesies about the terrible Day of the Lord’s fiery wrath.

The rest of the world will mostly survive and as things will be then, agreement on a OWG will be easy. Not quite as planned, but a similar result!

What happens to all the true believers in the Lord? Raptured to heaven? Nowhere does the Bible say that will happen at any time. 1 Peter 3:12 says it clearly; it will be the fiery test of our faith and we must stand firm, believing in His protection.
Then: look up, for our redemption is near. Luke 21:25-28 Jesus will Return soon.
*Google - 10 world regions.

 

[Elijah7777]

So, in order to force the nations to agree to a OWG; initially 10 regions

Didn't they have some sort of European Common Market? Also, Putin seems to be very opposed to NATO. Then we have the United Nations that does not seem to do anything. Unless of course you use your shoe to bang on the desk in an attempt to gain attention. (Khrushchev)

 

[Keraz]

Didn't they have some sort of European Common Market?

The European Union, is a virtually defunct organization.
It does not fit with the Prophesies of a whole world government, Daniel 7:23, divided into 10 regions. Daniel 7:25, Revelation 17:12

 

[Elijah7777]

whole world government,

Is this a reference to the government during the tribulation period?

 

[Marilyn C]

In my view the "Rapture" of the Church is, in fact, a rapture to heaven. That is precisely what we are told, that we will be caught up to Christ who is coming with the clouds of heaven.

But I don't believe we are caught up to heaven to simply remain in heaven. The purpose of our going to heaven is to join Christ in his descent to earth. We are changed into his glory so that we may participate in his glorious return.

How can we return with him if we are unfit to do so? We must be changed into immortal beings so that we can return with the glorious Christ!

That being said, I don't know that we disagree in anything you're saying? My belief is that we are caught up *in an instant* in such a way that the moment we are changed in heaven we are here being revealed to the world as the new age, the new path, the new Kingdom of Christ on earth.

What form the immortal Church takes when we are thus being revealed I don't claim to know. Perhaps we will assume angelic forms? Perhaps like the angels we will be invisible to earth's inhabitants, only revealing our existence in a new earth, in a changed earth.

I think the world will suddenly lose any desire for international conflict, whether or not it recognizes there has been a change in leadership over the earth. What I do know is that *somehow* it will be revealed to the earth that Christianity is sovereign on earth and in history. Peace, at least for a thousand years, will result.

I'm blessed by your aggressive statement that it is at the *eschatological Coming of Christ* that the "Rapture of the Church" will take place. It will be more of a "coming to earth" than a "going to heaven," therefore. We may agree much more than disagree on any of this?

While I agree with much of your comments I would like to point out a small detail.

Jesus comes back to earth with His angelic army not the Body of Christ. A couple of translations have inserted `saints` instead of Holy ones, in a couple of places. And `holy ones` can be either saints or angels. Thus, we need to look at all of God`s word for confirmation.

When Jesus was on earth the disciples asked Him to tell them about what would happen to Israel & the nations at the end of this age. Jesus told them quite clearly about the tribulation & persecution Israel would endure but that He would come again with His mighty angels to deliver Israel & judge the nations of the world.

`they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds with power & great glory. And He will send His angels..` (Matt.24: 30 & 31)

`When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him...` (Matt. 25: 31)

`the Son of Man comes in His glory, & in the glory of the holy angels.` (Luke 9: 26)

`when Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God,..` (2 Thess. 1: 7)

 

[Marilyn C]

Didn't they have some sort of European Common Market? Also, Putin seems to be very opposed to NATO. Then we have the United Nations that does not seem to do anything. Unless of course you use your shoe to bang on the desk in an attempt to gain attention. (Khrushchev)

The UN is the Whore, the religous aspect of the Global Government.

GLOBAL MOTIVATION

A Global Government needs the hearts and minds of the people to agree with it. Thus there is needed the motivating force of religion to drive people towards a Global Government. It is the unifying reason that people will give allegiance to.

Thus we see that the United Nations has become the International Institution to promote the New Age one-world religion spirituality.

THE UNITED NATIONS (UN)

The UN has issued a Global Charter called `The Earth Charter.` This is promoted as the `new scripture.` It stresses that man is his own saviour. By saving `mother earth,` they say, that we will once again return to an idyllic garden of Eden.

All aspects of society are being involved - religions, business, education, health, entertainment, sport and civil society. Everyone is to work towards the same goals, with the same moral values. These goals are called the `Sustainable Development Goals,` (SDG) officially known as `Transforming our World,` and popularly known as `The Future We Want.`

To achieve these Sustainable Development Goals the United Nations uses the Common Values of the `Earth Charter.` The document makes a declaration for a just, sustainable, peaceful global society and its mission is to promote -

`A Global society founded on a shared ethical framework.`


Global Moral Values & their meaning.

These are – respect, responsibility, justice, trustworthiness, civic virtue & citizenship, etc

RESPECT – like tolerance & inclusive – means appreciation for people & lifestyles (pagan & promiscuous, different sexual preferences……)

RESPONSIBILITY – refers to the `common good` of the community, where individuals must yield to the collective interests. (Socialism)

CIVIC VIRTUE & CITIZENSHIP – are also open ended. Compliant citizens must be ready to conform to changing rules & evolving duties.

People are made to think that they are to blame for all the world`s ills, diseases, poverty, crime, inequality and thus to get rid of these guilt feelings people give over their personal responsibility to the UN`s plans and goals.

The Global Charter was drafted in coordination with a hard law treaty designed to provide an integrated legal framework for all environment development law and policy. It is called the `International Covenant on Environment and Development.` Governments are required to adhere to its ever increasing requirements.

Thus we can see that the United Nations, the arm of the G20, is bringing together all areas of society to believe in this new religion of `Mother Earth.`

 

[RandyK]

While I agree with much of your comments I would like to point out a small detail.

Jesus comes back to earth with His angelic army not the Body of Christ. A couple of translations have inserted `saints` instead of Holy ones, in a couple of places. And `holy ones` can be either saints or angels. Thus, we need to look at all of God`s word for confirmation.

When Jesus was on earth the disciples asked Him to tell them about what would happen to Israel & the nations at the end of this age. Jesus told them quite clearly about the tribulation & persecution Israel would endure but that He would come again with His mighty angels to deliver Israel & judge the nations of the world.

`they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds with power & great glory. And He will send His angels..` (Matt.24: 30 & 31)

`When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him...` (Matt. 25: 31)

`the Son of Man comes in His glory, & in the glory of the holy angels.` (Luke 9: 26)

`when Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God,..` (2 Thess. 1: 7)

Don't you think it's possible that Christ comes back both with his holy angels and with his holy Church? There are a number of places that indicates the saints will be revealed at Christ's Coming. I believe this is based on Dan 7, where the Son of Man comes to deliver Israel and to establish God's Kingdom on earth.

The NT teaches that it's not just Israel that will accompany this glorious coming of Christ to the earth. It will include the entire international Church who have died and are then resurrected, along with those who are waiting for him.

1 Thes 4.14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.

Col 3.4 When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.

 

[Marilyn C]

Don't you think it's possible that Christ comes back both with his holy angels and with his holy Church? There are a number of places that indicates the saints will be revealed at Christ's Coming. I believe this is based on Dan 7, where the Son of Man comes to deliver Israel and to establish God's Kingdom on earth.

The NT teaches that it's not just Israel that will accompany this glorious coming of Christ to the earth. It will include the entire international Church who have died and are then resurrected, along with those who are waiting for him.

1 Thes 4.14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.

Col 3.4 When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.

Hi Randy,

I believe that the Body of Christ will be the court in heaven judging fallen angels and the world system. (2 Cor. 6: 2 & 3)

 

[RandyK]

Hi Randy,

I believe that the Body of Christ will be the court in heaven judging fallen angels and the world system. (2 Cor. 6: 2 & 3)

Okay. I've never thought of that. The problem with that is, if this is such a novel idea, the Lord apparently failed to communicate the message to all but very few.

Do you have knowledge of that position ever being held by a significant section of the Church for any length of time? Thanks.

 

[Elijah7777]

there is needed the motivating force of religion to drive people towards a Global Government.

In all of the atrocities of WW2, perhaps the greatest is that the Catholic Church and the Christian Church supported Hitler and the NAZA regime. There was a wave of repentance after the war but I do not know what good that did them.

The UN has issued a Global Charter called `The Earth Charter.` This is promoted as the `new scripture.` It stresses that man is his own saviour. By saving `mother earth,` they say, that we will once again return to an idyllic garden of Eden.

The Paris agreement is an attempt to save the Earth we have. Not build a new Earth. Back after WW1 they built a world that would last 100 years. NOW their goal is 20 years. My furnace and air conditioner is 20 year old and they are telling me it is time to buy a new one. That is suppose to be cheaper than to repair the one I have.

 

[Marilyn C]

Okay. I've never thought of that. The problem with that is, if this is such a novel idea, the Lord apparently failed to communicate the message to all but very few.

Do you have knowledge of that position ever being held by a significant section of the Church for any length of time? Thanks.

Is it not scriptural? And yes those who came out of the Welsh revival hold that view, but those in the USA probably haven`t heard of it.

 

[Marilyn C]

In all of the atrocities of WW2, perhaps the greatest is that the Catholic Church and the Christian Church supported Hitler and the NAZA regime. There was a wave of repentance after the war but I do not know what good that did them.

The Paris agreement is an attempt to save the Earth we have. Not build a new Earth. Back after WW1 they built a world that would last 100 years. NOW their goal is 20 years. My furnace and air conditioner is 20 year old and they are telling me it is time to buy a new one. That is suppose to be cheaper than to repair the one I have.

Yes, it is a false religion, however, it is accepted by most in the world. You may get fined or put in jail if you do not adhere to those values.

eg. Christians are getting put in jail for daring to pray, (silently) near and abortion clinic.

 

[Elijah7777]

Okay. I've never thought of that. The problem with that is, if this is such a novel idea, the Lord apparently failed to communicate the message to all but very few.

Do you have knowledge of that position ever being held by a significant section of the Church for any length of time? Thanks.

You did not read the scripture reference. 1 Corinthians 6:2, which states: "Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases?"
There maybe more to this than people realize. In In Genesis 1:26, God says: "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

If we have dominion then I would think that means God has to go through us to redeem this world. It is funny that it is actually the liberals who claim we are not doing enough to manage our resources.

 

[Marilyn C]

You did not read the scripture reference. 1 Corinthians 6:2, which states: "Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases?"
There maybe more to this than people realize. In In Genesis 1:26, God says: "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

If we have dominion then I would think that means God has to go through us to redeem this world. It is funny that it is actually the liberals who claim we are not doing enough to manage our resources.

That dominion is under the sway of the evil one. (1 John 5: 19) So, God did not have to go through us to redeem this world. God, Jesus, manifest as a man came to destroy the works of the evil one.

 

[RandyK]

You did not read the scripture reference. 1 Corinthians 6:2, which states: "Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases?"
There maybe more to this than people realize. In In Genesis 1:26, God says: "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

If we have dominion then I would think that means God has to go through us to redeem this world. It is funny that it is actually the liberals who claim we are not doing enough to manage our resources.

I don't understand your reply to my post to Marilyn C. in post #29?

 

[Elijah7777]

Christians are getting put in jail for daring to pray, (silently) near and abortion clinic.

We were allowed two protesters when the clinic was open and we had to stay on public property. So they would bring the girls in the back door to avoid the protestors. I spent a whole summer doing that. People tell me that we did make a difference but it is difficult to see that we did.

 

[Elijah7777]

God did not have to go through us to redeem this world

The word here Judge "the saints will judge the world" Only the Blood of Jesus can redeem the world.

 

[Marilyn C]

The word here Judge "the saints will judge the world" Only the Blood of Jesus can redeem the world.

`And the court shall be seated, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and destroy it forever.` (Dan. 7: 26)

 

[Elijah7777]

I don't understand your reply to my post to Marilyn C. in post #29?

I am asking a question about the scripture reference. Perhaps my question has no connected with your intended use of that passage. They say I drift and do not focus as well as I should.

 

[Elijah7777]

Dan. 7: 26

Some interpretations connect this passage to Revelation 18-20, which describes the fall of corrupt earthly powers and the final triumph of God's kingdom. The idea is that just as Daniel foresaw judgment upon oppressive forces, Revelation expands on this by depicting the ultimate defeat of evil before God's eternal reign.