The Perverted Gospel!

You make great leaps from what the text actually says to your conclusions. Washing of regeneration is not physical baptism. A husband isn't supposed to baptize his wife rather he "washes her with the water of the word"

Not every washing is baptism..
titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Spirit.

Note 1) Saved by both washing (baptismal regeneration) and the renewing of the Spirit! (saved means justified not full eternal salvation, but part of the process.

Note 2) this verse shows that baptism is NOT A WORK, "not of works righteousness" but God's work of a new creation in Christ!
(ez36:25-27)

Note 3) our bodies washed
(outward water) heb 10:22, and souls renewed by the spirit
(inward grace) acts 22:16 heb 2:11

'The Father has set his seal' on Christ (John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30).

Jn 3;5 cannot enter
2 pet 1:11 entrance administered
Jn 3:22 went to the river to baptize
Jn 4:1 baptism
mk 16:16 baptism
matt 28:19 baptism

note 3 is important
 
no. I have been justified

by one offering I am perfected forever. its a done deal

But I am also being sanctified. and ongoing deal.. I will continue to be sanctified until i die

then I will be glorified
All of us who are followers of Christ are priests under the High Priest Jesus Christ.

All who have the Holy Spirit have the power to forgive sins.
no we don't

we are royal priesthood not the priesthood of Christ according to melchisedec
 
no we don't

we are royal priesthood not the priesthood of Christ according to melchisedec

The priesthood of Christ is the order Of Melchizedek.


And inasmuch as He was not made priest without an oath (for they have become priests without an oath, but He with an oath by Him who said to Him:
“The LORD has sworn
And will not relent,
You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek
’ ”,
by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.
Hebrews 7:20-22
 
read carefully

Jn 1:12-13

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

they received Him first then were given power to become born again children of God
Notice it's "not by the will of man"
Salvation is a work completely done but God. Man has absolutely nothing to do with it.. you believe God because God says so.

The thief on the cross was saved for no other reason than God chose to save him. Jesus said he could come to Heaven with Him... that's it and there ain't no more.
titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Spirit.

Note 1) Saved by both washing (baptismal regeneration) and the renewing of the Spirit! (saved means justified not full eternal salvation, but part of the process.

Note 2) this verse shows that baptism is NOT A WORK, "not of works righteousness" but God's work of a new creation in Christ!
(ez36:25-27)

Note 3) our bodies washed
(outward water) heb 10:22, and souls renewed by the spirit
(inward grace) acts 22:16 heb 2:11

'The Father has set his seal' on Christ (John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30).

Jn 3;5 cannot enter
2 pet 1:11 entrance administered
Jn 3:22 went to the river to baptize
Jn 4:1 baptism
mk 16:16 baptism
matt 28:19 baptism

note 3 is important
Again you make the leap that every time washing or water is mentioned it's referring to baptism and it's simply not true.. when biblical writers talk about baptism they use the word baptism, not washing ..
 
read carefully

Jn 1:12-13

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

they received Him first then were given power to become born again children of God
when they believed.

Not when they went and God water baptized.
 
Notice it's "not by the will of man"
Salvation is a work completely done but God. Man has absolutely nothing to do with it.. you believe God because God says so.

The thief on the cross was saved for no other reason than God chose to save him. Jesus said he could come to Heaven with Him... that's it and there ain't no more.
the thief was saved because he repented. and asked Jesus to remember him.

He was saved by grace through faith
Again you make the leap that every time washing or water is mentioned it's referring to baptism and it's simply not true.. when biblical writers talk about baptism they use the word baptism, not washing ..
to be baptized is to be immersed. or placed into.

the author usually tells us what we are placed into (water, Christ, His body, His death)

its nto always water
 
The priesthood of Christ is the order Of Melchizedek.


And inasmuch as He was not made priest without an oath (for they have become priests without an oath, but He with an oath by Him who said to Him:
“The LORD has sworn
And will not relent,
You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek
’ ”,
by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.
Hebrews 7:20-22
and thats not the royal priesthood
 
Notice it's "not by the will of man"
Salvation is a work completely done but God. Man has absolutely nothing to do with it.. you believe God because God says so.

The thief on the cross was saved for no other reason than God chose to save him. Jesus said he could come to Heaven with Him... that's it and there ain't no more.

Again you make the leap that every time washing or water is mentioned it's referring to baptism and it's simply not true.. when biblical writers talk about baptism they use the word baptism, not washing ..
never said its the "will" of man but of God ez 36:25-27 by God's ministers 2 pet 1:11
2 cor 8:19 2 cor 5:18
 
Notice it's "not by the will of man"
Salvation is a work completely done but God. Man has absolutely nothing to do with it.. you believe God because God says so.

The thief on the cross was saved for no other reason than God chose to save him. Jesus said he could come to Heaven with Him... that's it and there ain't no more.

Again you make the leap that every time washing or water is mentioned it's referring to baptism and it's simply not true.. when biblical writers talk about baptism they use the word baptism, not washing ..
whats the church say?

If you believe scripture you would believe the teaching of the apostolic church which alone possesses the authority of Jesus Christ in union with Jesus Christ! matt 28:19-20 matt 16:18:19 Jn 20:21-23 acts 1:1-8

Christ is the light! (Truth)
Jn 8:12

The church he founded is also the light as an extension and command of Christ! Matt 5:14

Christ is the teacher!
Heb 1:1-3

The church He founded is also our teacher as an extension and command of Christ! Matt 18:17

Christ is the truth!
Jn 14:6

Must Hear Christ!
matt 3:17

Must hear the Church!
Matt 18:17 matt 28:19 acts 1:8

The church He founded is also the pillar of truth as an extension and command of Christ! 1 tim 3:15

The gates of hell SHALL NOT prevail against the one, holy, Catholics,
& apostolic church founded by Christ on peter and the apostles!
Matt 16:18-19

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church to teach & sanctify all men unto eternal salvation of all men! matt 28:19-20

Christ and His church are one: Acts 9:4 mystical communion: eph 5:32

dogma

168. All the Sacraments of the New Covenant were instituted by Jesus Christ.
169. There are Seven Sacraments of the New Law.
170. The Sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for the salvation of mankind.

174. Baptism is a true Sacrament instituted by Jesus Christ.
175. The materia remota of the Sacrament of Baptism is true and natural water.
176. Baptism confers the grace of justification.
177. Baptism effects the remission of all punishments of sin, both the eternal and the temporal.
178. Even if it be unworthily received, valid Baptism imprints on the soul of the recipient an
indelible spiritual mark, the Baptismal Character, and for this reason, the Sacrament cannot
be repeated.
179. Baptism by water (Baptismus fluminis) is, since the promulgation of the Gospel, necessary
for all men without exception, for salvation. Mk 16:16

church fathers witnesses acts 1:8

“It does not suffice to believe. He who believes and is not yet baptized, but is only a Catechumen, has not yet fully acquired salvation." St. Thomas Aquinas

“Now, even the Catechumen believes in the Cross of the Lord Jesus, but unless he be baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, he cannot receive remission of his sins nor the gift of spiritual grace." St. Ambrose

“There are three ways in which sins are forgiven: in baptism, in prayer, and in the greater humility of penance; yet God does not forgive sins except to the baptized” (Sermons to Catechumens on the Creed 7:15 [A.D. 395]).
St. AUGUSTINE

CYRIL OF JERUSALEM
“If any man does not receive baptism, he does not have salvation.

FULGENTIUS OF RUSPE
“From that time at which our Savior said, ‘If anyone is not reborn of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven’ [John 3:5], no one can, without the sacrament of baptism, except those who, in the Catholic Church, without baptism, pour out their blood for Christ, receive the kingdom of heaven and life eternal” (The Rule of Faith 43 [A.D. 524]).

amen!
 
to be saved?

Jesus suffered in my place. My sufferings (which God said will happen) will not remove 1 sin from my account.
really not one sin?

ignorance of scripture

Hebrews 12:4
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

Phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

1 pet 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Revelation 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Matthew 11:12
And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

1 pet 2:21-24

21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:

23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

2 Corinthians 4:10
Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.

thks

btw can one be glorified without suffering
 
really not one sin?

ignorance of scripture

Hebrews 12:4
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

Phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

1 pet 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Revelation 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Matthew 11:12
And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

1 pet 2:21-24

21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:

23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

2 Corinthians 4:10
Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.

thks

btw can one be glorified without suffering
ahh

so the penalty of sin is you suffering, and you doing good works.

Got it.

you need to stop listening to men and listen to the word of God.
 
that is what your church says.

the more important question is, What does the word of God say
God's is approved by God's apostolic church and says obey Christ and His church!

If you believe scripture you would believe the teaching of the apostolic church which alone possesses the authority of Jesus Christ in union with Jesus Christ! matt 28:19-20 matt 16:18:19 Jn 20:21-23 acts 1:1-8

Christ is the light! (Truth)
Jn 8:12

The church he founded is also the light as an extension and command of Christ! Matt 5:14

Christ is the teacher!
Heb 1:1-3

The church He founded is also our teacher as an extension and command of Christ! Matt 18:17

Must Hear Christ!
matt 3:17

Must hear the Church!
Matt 18:17 matt 28:19 acts 1:8

Christ is the truth!
Jn 14:6

The church He founded is also the pillar of truth as an extension and command of Christ! 1 tim 3:15

ty
 
God's is approved by God's apostolic church and says obey Christ and His church!
And there you go. The arrogance of the roman church,

God is approved by them. Not God approves of them

God does not approve of a church with pagan tradition who has gotten away from the truth of Gods word..
 
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