What do you think was God`s Purpose in making - the Nations, Israel and the Body of Christ?

[Marilyn C]

So? New heaven and new earth are not old heaven and old earth, where there're 200+ nations governed by watcher angels, aka "sons of God" in Deut. 32:8. These are merely nations of the saints' origins, and these original nations will no longer exist, do you believe in that?

The `sons of God` are like their father - God. They are NOT sons of the devil.

And God is omniscient, (all knowing) and does not let man stop Him from fulfilling his purposes for - the Nations, Israel and the Body of Christ.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

The `sons of God` are like their father - God. They are NOT sons of the devil.

And God is omniscient, (all knowing) and does not let man stop Him from fulfilling his purposes for - the Nations, Israel and the Body of Christ.

Nations + Israel = the Body of Christ. Setting them apart is a false trichotomy. Sons of God in the NT context are followers of Christ adopted through the Holy Spirit - "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.” (Rom.8:14-15)". In the OT context, however, this doesn't apply, since there was no spiritual birth and adoption, these "sons of God" are demonic beings in the company of Satan, Job. 1:6. If you are interested in this topic, go read late Dr. Michael Heiser's book the Unseen Realm.

 

[Marilyn C]

Nations + Israel = the Body of Christ. Setting them apart is a false trichotomy. Sons of God in the NT context are followers of Christ adopted through the Holy Spirit - "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.” (Rom.8:14-15)". In the OT context, however, this doesn't apply, since there was no spiritual birth and adoption, these "sons of God" are demonic beings in the company of Satan, Job. 1:6. If you are interested in this topic, go read late Dr. Michael Heiser's book the Unseen Realm.

So, the scriptures to support that view please?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

So, the scriptures to support that view please?

Rom. 8:14-15, Eph. 2:11-13, Gal. 3:26-28

Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

 

[Marilyn C]

Rom. 8:14-15, Eph. 2:11-13, Gal. 3:26-28

Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Yes, all those in the Body of Christ are one together. However, that does not do away with God`s purpose for Israel and the nations.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Yes, all those in the Body of Christ are one together. However, that does not do away with God`s purpose for Israel and the nations.

God's purpose for Israel and the nations is explained in Deut. 32:8-9 and Rom. 1:16, don't make me repeat myself.

 

[Marilyn C]

God's purpose for Israel and the nations is explained in Deut. 32:8-9 and Rom. 1:16, don't make me repeat myself.

Deut. 32: 8 - 9 `When the Most High divided their inheritance to the nations, when He separated the sons of Adam, He set boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the children of Israel.
The Lord`s portion is His people; Jacob is the place of His inheritance.`

So we read that God has an inheritance for the nations. (Rev. 21: 24)

Also, Israel is the Lord`s inheritance.

Rom. 1: 16 `For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek, (Gentiles).`

The Body of Christ for Jews and Gentiles with an inheritance on the Lord`s own throne in the third heaven. (Rev. 3: 21)

Each group have a place in God`s great kingdom in the new heaven and on the new earth.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Thank you HIH,

Now to whom did Jesus say the road was narrow etc? Yes, to Israel. There was no Body of Christ at that time.
And the same with `the meek shall inherit the earth.` That was to Israel.

When Jesus ascended and the Holy Spirit was sent to build and mature the Body of Christ the Lord, the Head of His Body gave further revelation for us concerning our inheritance.

We are most blessed to have the inheritance of ruling with the Lord on His own throne in the third heaven. (Rev. 3: 21) The other areas of God`s great kingdom will also have rulership all under the sovereign Lord.

Salvation is just the means to God fulfilling His purposes for - the nations, for Israel and for the Body of Christ.
If all God wanted to do was show consequences He could have done that at the beginning and saved a lot of pain and suffering over the centuries.

If you could, Marilyn, what is the contemplative or controversial point you're trying to drive home? You seem to be making it discretely, but I'm having a hard time putting together exactly what it is you are driving at in this thread.

My apologies, btw. Not operating at %100 right now or maybe I'd be picking things up a little better.
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[Marilyn C]

If you could, Marilyn, what is the contemplative or controversial point you're trying to drive home? You seem to be making it discretely, but I'm having a hard time putting together exactly what it is you are driving at in this thread.

My apologies, btw. Not operating at %100 right now or maybe I'd be picking things up a little better.
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I`m very glad you asked that question. I wanted people to think on the last great truth to be clarified across the Body of Christ.

WHY I asked that question concerning the nations, Israel and the Body of Christ.

I posted that question on a few forums to find out what people think concerning God`s purposes. It is something others haven`t really thought of or mainly put down to salvation. As Eph. 4: 13 reveals that the Body is being brought to the maturity and knowledge of Jesus, (His character and His purposes) then I wanted to gauge a little as to how far we are in our understanding of those truths.

My answers to the question - `What do you think was God`s purpose in making the Nations, Israel and the Body of Christ?

I`ll start with God`s overall purpose and then where the different groups fit in. (It will only be a summary though.)

`God....having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, that in the dispensation of the fulness of the times He might gather together all things in Christ, both of which are in heaven and which are on earth - in Him.` ()Eph. 1: 9 & 10)

I believe that it is the Father`s purpose to have His Son, Jesus as ruler over all His great kingdom. All things in heaven and earth under the Lord. They were made by Him and for Him. (Col. 1: 16) Thus in the New Heavens and New Earth we have all realms and all rulerships under Christ.

1. The Earth - the nations of those who are saved. (Rev. 21: 24)

2. Israel - 2 inheritances - as rulers over the nations on the earth. (1 Kings 2: 45)
Then as the `stars of heaven,` the Old Testament saints will be in the New Jerusalem over the earth. (Heb. 11: 16 Rev. 21: 2 & 24)

3. The Body of Christ - kingpriests with Christ on His throne in the third heaven. (Rev. 1: 6 3: 21)

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Deut. 32: 8 - 9 `When the Most High divided their inheritance to the nations, when He separated the sons of Adam, He set boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the children of Israel.
The Lord`s portion is His people; Jacob is the place of His inheritance.`

So we read that God has an inheritance for the nations. (Rev. 21: 24)

Also, Israel is the Lord`s inheritance.

That division is referring to the Tower of Babel, which took place in Peleg's generation. "The number of the children of Israel" is a mistranslation, Israel indeed is the Lord's portion, but he didn't exist at that time. Dead Sea Scroll reads "sons of God".

To Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg, for in his days the earth was divided. (Gen. 10:25)

Rom. 1: 16 `For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek, (Gentiles).`

The Body of Christ for Jews and Gentiles with an inheritance on the Lord`s own throne in the third heaven. (Rev. 3: 21)

Each group have a place in God`s great kingdom in the new heaven and on the new earth.

There is no such distinction in Rev. 3:21, it reads "to HIM WHO OVERCOMES", either Jew or Gentile in the lukewarm Laodicean church.

To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

 

[Hidden In Him]

I believe that it is the Father`s purpose to have His Son, Jesus as ruler over all His great kingdom. All things in heaven and earth under the Lord. They were made by Him and for Him. (Col. 1: 16) Thus in the New Heavens and New Earth we have all realms and all rulerships under Christ.

1. The Earth - the nations of those who are saved. (Rev. 21: 24)

2. Israel - 2 inheritances - as rulers over the nations on the earth. (1 Kings 2: 45)
Then as the `stars of heaven,` the Old Testament saints will be in the New Jerusalem over the earth. (Heb. 11: 16 Rev. 21: 2 & 24)

3. The Body of Christ - kingpriests with Christ on His throne in the third heaven. (Rev. 1: 6 3: 21)

Oh. Ok, I can go along with that.

Thanks for the reply.

 

[Marilyn C]

That division is referring to the Tower of Babel, which took place in Peleg's generation. "The number of the children of Israel" is a mistranslation, Israel indeed is the Lord's portion, but he didn't exist at that time. Dead Sea Scroll reads "sons of God".

To Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg, for in his days the earth was divided. (Gen. 10:25)

There is no such distinction in Rev. 3:21, it reads "to HIM WHO OVERCOMES", either Jew or Gentile in the lukewarm Laodicean church.

To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

Rev. 3: 21 is referring to the Body of Christ. God still has purpose for the nations and Israel. He didn`t make them to abandum them.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Rev. 3: 21 is referring to the Body of Christ. God still has purpose for the nations and Israel. He didn`t make them to abandum them.

But neither "Gentiles", "Israel" nor "Body of Christ" is explicitly mentioned in Rev. 3:21. The subject of that passage is the lukewarm Laodicean church.

 

[Marilyn C]

But neither "Gentiles", "Israel" nor "Body of Christ" is explicitly mentioned in Rev. 3:21. The subject of that passage is the lukewarm Laodicean church.

Actually, it is the overcomers, the Body of Christ. (Rev. 2: 7, 11, 17, 26, 3: 5, 12, 21) All referring to overcomers.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Actually, it is the overcomers, the Body of Christ. (Rev. 2: 7, 11, 17, 26, 3: 5, 12, 21) All referring to overcomers.

Yes, as I said, Nations + Israel = the Body of Christ. What makes a Jew a Jew is not ancestry, but law observance. It is not my definition, but Paul's.

"For circumcision is indeed profitable if you keep the law; but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision. Therefore, if an uncircumcised man keeps the righteous requirements of the law, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision? And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge you who, even with your written code and circumcision, are a transgressor of the law? For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God. (Rom. 2:27-29)

 

[Marilyn C]

Yes, as I said, Nations + Israel = the Body of Christ. What makes a Jew a Jew is not ancestry, but law observance. It is not my definition, but Paul's.

"For circumcision is indeed profitable if you keep the law; but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision. Therefore, if an uncircumcised man keeps the righteous requirements of the law, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision? And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge you who, even with your written code and circumcision, are a transgressor of the law? For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God. (Rom. 2:27-29)

That is referring to the Body of Christ. What scriptures show you that the Nations and Israel have no inheritance outside the Body of Christ?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

That is referring to the Body of Christ. What scriptures show you that the Nations and Israel have no inheritance outside the Body of Christ?

Other inheritance outside the body of Christ comes from your parents, God doesn't meddle with that.

Then one from the crowd said to Him, “Teacher, tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me. But He said to him, “Man, who made Me a judge or an arbitrator over you?” And He said to them, “Take heed and beware of covetousness, for one’s life does not consist in the abundance of the things he possesses. (Lk. 12:13-15)

 

[Marilyn C]

Other inheritance outside the body of Christ comes from your parents, God doesn't meddle with that.

Then one from the crowd said to Him, “Teacher, tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me. But He said to him, “Man, who made Me a judge or an arbitrator over you?” And He said to them, “Take heed and beware of covetousness, for one’s life does not consist in the abundance of the things he possesses. (Lk. 12:13-15)

Inheritance from God for Israel and the Nations.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Inheritance from God for Israel and the Nations.

Treasures that can be stored up in heaven, Matt. 6:19-21.

 

[Marilyn C]

Treasures that can be stored up in heaven, Matt. 6:19-21.

Good scripture for Israel. Christ came as King of Israel legally of the line of David. Thus, His rulership over Israel will function in the millennium and new earth.

`I, Jesus,....am the Root and Offspring of David,....` (Rev. 22: 16)

`Christ,..... in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom & knowledge.` (Col. 2: 3)