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Ok, that was a bit of a dodge, LoL. What is the scriptural basis for claiming Christ has reigned for 1,000 years now? I've heard the claim He's reigned for 2,000, but not one.
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Ok, that was a bit of a dodge, LoL. What is the scriptural basis for claiming Christ has reigned for 1,000 years now? I've heard the claim He's reigned for 2,000, but not one.
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Yes, they are Muslim, so what? Allah literally translates as "God". Their God is the same as the God of Abraham. They recognized Jesus a great prophet of God. But they were not bound to the covenant of Death that Christ sets you free from.
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And who are you to declare that Christ can only reign for a thousand years, is not his kingdom eternal? If he has reigned a thousand years, and then reigns a thousand more, what difference does it make? The thousand years have ended either way. You're on God's time now, not your own.
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Yes, but you just acknowledged my point. Professing Jesus to be a prophet and professing Him to be God are two entirely different theologies, and you cannot have the theology of Islam and the theology of Christianity coming from the "same" God. WAY too divergent. And when you get to eschatology they are diametrically opposed.
You're not wanting to answer my question : ) Which is fine, or course. But I can't address the veracity of your support for a belief unless you show how you actually support it.
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Again, are you trying to dictate what God can and can not do? Are you the judge of God? Did you not know that Abraham had 2 sons, and that the promise to the one son was different from the promise given to the other. Ishmael never made a covenant with death as the sons of Isaac did.
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Ishmael never made a covenant with death like the sons of Isaac did… Explain please.
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Ishmael was not part of the covenant that the sons of Israel made with Moses on Mount Sinai. It was only the sons of Israel that made a covenant death.
Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men,
that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.
Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death,
and with hell are we at agreement;
when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us:
for we have made lies our refuge,
and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD,
Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone,
a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation:
he that believeth shall not make haste.
Judgment also will I lay to the line,
and righteousness to the plummet:
and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies,
and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.
And your covenant with death shall be disannulled,
and your agreement with hell shall not stand;
when the overflowing scourge shall pass through,
then ye shall be trodden down by it.
From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you:
for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night:
and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.
For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it:
and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.
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EZrider, this passage is talking about the rulers of Israel making a covenant with the Assyrians by paying tribute to them so that the Assyrian armies wouldn't come and wipe them out. It has nothing to do with the covenants Israel made with the Lord.
Are you a Muslim or a Christian?
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Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD,
Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone,
a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation:
he that believeth shall not make haste.
Christ came so that he could disanull a covenant they made with another nation? The laying of the cornerstone is speaking toward Christ and his new covenant.
Can you tell me, what is the penalty for sin?
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And again has nothing to do with a covenant of death.
I might. But you didn't answer my question. What is your religious affiliation? You post like a Muslim.
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This only seems to support my understanding that sovereign nations don't really have the authority to make other sovereign nations do what they think they should do. Yes, there is an international body of the various nation representatives that make decisions and judgments concerning what nations can do, but as you so obviously have pointed out, they can't make them. And how you understand that a sovereign nation has come to 'illegally possess' something is beyond my understanding. Is there a law in Israel that they can't hold nuclear weapons? Because that's the only law that a sovereign nation would be beholden to. A sovereign nation is not beholden to some U.S. law or Brazilian law or Chilean law or Russian law or even some international decision by some international body of representatives. All acquiescing to the United Nations or some other international body of representatives is on a voluntary basis of the charged nation.
I do agree that we have more questions now, since the nuclear treaty was broken, as to Iran's nuclear capabilities. And I think we all know that our present leadership is prone to listening to bad players in his decision making. Remember, this is the guy that thinks that wind turbines cause cancer; that atomic bombs are the fix for hurricanes; and that the 2020 election was stolen. This is the man who allowed Elon Musk to run roughshod throughout the government causing all sorts of untold confusion and chaos in our daily lives. Most of which has since been disproven and turned around by the courts. I'm afraid that our present leader isn't particularly wise in his judgments.
Personally, I have a hard time understanding how one sovereign nation or group of representatives of nations can make binding laws that are somehow required to be obeyed by any sovereign nation. That's the whole point of national sovereignty, that a nation gets to say what is legal or illegal within its boundaries. The UN makes decisions on matters all the time that are directed towards the activities of nations, but it is toothless in its ability to enforce any will upon them other than through getting other nations to stop dealing with them.
Here's an article that shows how much the UN has tried to get Russia out of Ukraine. Russia doesn't seem to be following their instructions.
The UN and the war in Ukraine: key information
Everything you need to know about the UN response to the war in Ukraine. Links you need to bookmark.
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So, in your mind is the Russian attack on Ukraine also illegal?
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When you face the second death, maybe then you'll understand then.
Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse;
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
I am a person of Faith.
I post like a Muslim? How so? By pointing out that God is Greater and that you are in no position to Judge God?
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Apparently, the Russian government doesn't think that Iran has broken any laws in wanting to enrich uranium. So, who gets to say? Who has the authority to tell a sovereign nation that what they are doing is illegal. The representative to the UN of Russia or the representative to the UN of Great Britain? I can certainly agree that some actions of sovereign nations can be unfair to the other nations of the world. I do agree that some of the actions of nations brings death and destruction to citizens of another nation. But that such actions are illegal is really a tough sell for me. I believe that the entire idea of sovereignty as regards nationhood, is that the leaders/people of that sovereign nation get to decide what is illegal or not.
Look in the U.S. it is legal to turn right on a red light, but that doesn't mean that such a law makes it legal or illegal to do in other countries. Sovereign nations get to make their own choices in such matters as to what is legal or illegal. This is why there is a small group of Americans who believe that the individual person has sovereignty and aren't beholden to the laws of the United States. Of course, there is no such thing as a citizen of a nation being sovereign over the laws of said nation. But as regards the laws of a nation, a nation, because of its sovereignty is only subject to the laws that that particular nation makes.
And of course, the fact that Israel also has nuclear weapons capabilities just further supports the understanding that Iran should also desire to have such devices and the sovereignty of their nation would allow them to do that if that's what the leaders and the people of that sovereign nation want. The United States, Great Britain, Russia, India, et,al. have no authority to tell another sovereign nation what they can and cannot do. Especially in a matter where so many other nations are freely allowed to do such things.
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It does, however, for Islam, Allah is the proper name of their god. In Judaism and Christianity, however, "God" is a title or type of being (deity), who goes by many names, such as YHWH.
No, absolutely not.
Yet deny he was crucified, deny his Sonship, and deny his deity.
Why does it seem that you're defending Islam?
Faith in what? Every single person is a person of faith; it's who or what they place their faith in that matters.
By using the English phrase that only Muslims use--"God is Greater" (Allahu akbar). Why would you use that unless you're a Muslim?
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So why would Israel be allowed to have oodles of nukes and not Iran?It seems Iran went out and got enriched uranium so was weeks from getting it to weapons grade of 90% and they had the missiles or bombs ready to put it into and use on Israel. So they needed to do a preemptive strike or face nuclear annihilation days or weeks away, as Iran will not stop till it gets it to nuclear weapons grade and use it.
"VIENNA (AP) — Iran has further increased its stockpile of uranium enriched to near weapons-grade levels, a confidential report by the U.N. nuclear watchdog said Saturday. In a separate report, the agency called on Tehran to urgently change course and comply with its years-long probe.
The report comes at a sensitive time, as the administration of U.S. President Donald Trump seeks to reach a deal with Tehran to limit its nuclear program. The two sides have held several rounds of talks, so far without agreement.
The report by the Vienna-based International Atomic Energy Agency — which was seen by The Associated Press — says that as of May 17, Iran has amassed 408.6 kilograms (900.8 pounds) of uranium enriched up to 60%.
That’s an increase of 133.8 kilograms (294.9 pounds) — or almost 50% — since the IAEA’s last report in February. The 60% enriched material is a short, technical step away from weapons-grade levels of 90%. A report in February put this stockpile level at 274.8 kilograms (605.8 pounds)...
Approximately 42 kilograms of 60% enriched uranium is theoretically enough to produce one atomic bomb, if enriched further to 90%, according to the watchdog.
The IAEA report, a quarterly, also estimated that as of May 17, Iran’s overall stockpile of enriched uranium — which includes uranium enriched to lower levels — stood at 9,247.6 kilograms (20,387.4 pounds). That’s an increase of 953.2 kilograms (2,101.4 pounds) since February’s report.
Iran has maintained its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes only, but the IAEA chief, Rafael Mariano Grossi, has warned that Tehran has enough uranium enriched to near-weapons-grade levels to make “several” nuclear bombs if it chose to do so.."
https://apnews.com/article/iran-nuclear-iaea-uranium-7f6c9962c1e4199e951559096bcf5cc0.
"..Here’s what it means to enrich uranium – and why it raises concerns in Iran-Israel conflict
According to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), Iran has enriched large quantities of uranium to 60 per cent. It’s actually easier to go from an enrichment of 60 per cent to 90 per
Late last week, Israel targeted three of Iran’s key nuclear facilities – Natanz, Isfahan and Fordow – killing several Iranian nuclear scientists.
The facilities are heavily fortified and largely underground, and there are conflicting reports of how much damage has been done.
Natanz and Fordow are Iran’s uranium enrichment sites, and Isfahan provides the raw materials, so any damage to these sites would limit Iran’s ability to produce nuclear weapons."
"..Iran has enriched uranium for 10 nuclear bombs, continues production
A confidential report by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), obtained by The Wall Street Journal, confirms that Iran has continued producing high-level enriched uranium. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office responded, saying: "The report proves that Iran's goal is to develop a nuclear weapons program. The world must stop it....
Despite ongoing nuclear talks with the United States, Iran has continued enriching uranium at a pace sufficient to yield enough material for one nuclear bomb per month, according to The Wall Street Journal, which cited an IAEA document circulated to member states."
Iran has enriched uranium for 10 nuclear bombs, continues production
A confidential report by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), obtained by The Wall Street Journal, confirms that Iran has continued producingwww.israelhayom.com
"When Israel launched its series of strikes against Iran last week, it also issued a number of dire warnings about the country’s nuclear program, suggesting Iran was fast approaching a point of no return in its quest to obtain nuclear weapons and that the strikes were necessary to preempt that outcome."
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There is a vast difference between one country needing to defend itself against several countries who are either supportive of or committed to its obliteration, by having nuclear weapons as a deterrent, and letting those other countries have the nuclear capabilities to actually wipe out that country.
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Says who? A nuke is a nuke is a nuke. When the country you mention has murdered tens of thousands of people, women and children mostly, in neighbouring Gaza, they lose any right for nukes I would think. How dare anyone call anyone else terrorists when they have done this.
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"Oodles of nukes"? Israel has 90, which is second lowest only to North Korea with 50. You want oodles, look at the U.S. and Russia, even China.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/nuclear-weapons-by-country
Again, Israel faces threats on all borders from Muslim countries that want to wipe it off the face of the earth. "From the river to the sea," remember? Has Israel ever used a nuke? No. So, where is the threat from Israel?
Who started the war in Gaza by attacking innocent civilians and took hundreds of hostages? Who hides behind civilians, using them as human shields? Who dug all the tunnels under hospitals and residential areas where the IDF continue to find the remains of hostages?
Hamas are terrorists and always have been.
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No there isn't! Both nations have the legal authority to build up a nuclear weapons allotment if that's what they choose to do.
Now, is there some moral image that we might design that tells us that the one country will use that nuclear capability for bad rather than good, yes. But that has nothing to do with the free right of a nation to pursue the things that its leadership chooses to pursue.
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