Protestant countries are richer and less safe, Orthodox countries are safer but less rich: discuss

LanaPodesta said:
In Tblisi, Georgia, there was an attempt of a pride parade.

The Orthodox faithful burned it down.

Where in the US has that happened?
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And Satan has not gained the foothold through the media and eduction system there like he has here.

Are you for the Christians of this country or against us? Blaming the work of the enemy on us now?
 
Hidden In Him said:
They are being constantly trained to view traditional Christianity as homophobic, politically and financially corrupt, closed-minded, ignorant etc. And yes, by the looks of it the same thing has worked to perfection in Europe.
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Why say this then? I literally gave an example of a European country where that has not 'worked to perfection'.
Hidden In Him said:
And Satan has not gained the foothold through the media and eduction system there like he has here.
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Well then it clearly hasn't 'worked to perfection' has it?

CategoryUSARussiaSerbiaGeorgiaGreece
Same-Sex Marriage✅ Legal (nationwide)❌ Banned (constitutionally)❌ Illegal❌ Constitutionally banned⚠️ Civil unions only
Adoption Rights✅ Legal (some state exemptions)❌ Banned for same-sex couples⚠️ Limited / unclear❌ Not recognized⚠️ Allowed for singles
Anti-Discrimination Laws⚠️ Patchy (varies by state)❌ Almost none⚠️ Exists, weak enforcement⚠️ Exists, rarely enforced✅ Comprehensive
Trans Rights⚠️ Varies (some bans for minors)⚠️ Legal gender change, but restricted⚠️ Legal change allowed⚠️ Legal, limited healthcare✅ Legal w/o surgery
Freedom of Expression✅ Protected (1st Amendment)❌ “LGBT propaganda” law⚠️ Protected, but stigmatized⚠️ Pride often blocked✅ Protected

Legend:​

  • ✅ = Legal/Protected
  • ⚠️ = Partial, restricted, or varies
  • ❌ = Illegal or no protection
 
LanaPodesta said:
Well then it clearly hasn't 'worked to perfection' has it?
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Lana, that was a dodge, and if you are going to engage in honest debate you need to answer me. There are rules against doing it repeatedly that will get you banned.

Answer the questions.

1. Are you for the Christians of this country or against them?
2. Are you blaming the work of the enemy on the Christians of this country, yes or no?
 
LanaPodesta said:
For them. I am for ALL Christians everywhere. Praise God.

No.
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Ok, well those are good answers. We oppose the same things you do, including here on this forum. I'm pretty outspoken against the whole gay pride agenda and so are others. But what we are up against is sweeping corruption in the government going back many decades, and 24/ 365 brainwashing in the US media that paints the LGBTQ crowd as this poor, helpless, put upon and persecuted segment of society that the evil Christians are causing to despair of life and commit suicide, and it will increasingly be used against us as a weapon to take away our free speech, just as it will in Europe.

Would I prefer to be in an EU country regarding this issue? You bet your life I would. But we are here, so we have to deal with the hand we have been dealt, and it is much tougher than the one you are facing. This is why I'm telling you not to overdo it with the whole "we are morally superior" tenor. That may not be your intention, but after awhile it starts to come off like that. Walk a mile in our shoes rather than telling us we need to walk in yours, cuz the enemy is not simply going to relinquish political control here. If he has his way, he will eventually run this country completely into the ground, financially and morally, and when he's done doing it to us he's coming after you.
 
Hidden In Him said:
This is why I'm telling you not to overdo it with the whole "we are morally superior" tenor
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I've spent most of the time on this thread being told that countries where Orthodoxy is dominant are LESS Christian than the USA, and despite providing statistics to the contrary I was mocked and told this was wrong. Orthodox countries ARE morally superior, because they don't tolerate this LGBT nonsense like the US does. So please consider this before you want to tell me how the USA is so much more Christian than Romania, Greece, or Georgia.
 
LanaPodesta said:
I've spent most of the time on this thread being told that countries where Orthodoxy is dominant are LESS Christian than the USA, and despite providing statistics to the contrary I was mocked and told this was wrong. Orthodox countries ARE morally superior, because they don't tolerate this LGBT nonsense like the US does. So please consider this before you want to tell me how the USA is so much more Christian than Romania, Greece, or Georgia.
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Where have I said that? I'm saying the entire discussion is divisive, and this post is proof of it.

Show me where I have posted anything resembling what you just said, then where others have. I'd like to see it. But you're not going to find it in my posts before you even start.
 
Hidden In Him said:
Where have I said that? I'm saying the entire discussion is divisive, and this post is proof of it.

Show me where I have posted anything resembling what you just said, then where others have. I'd like to see it. But you're not going to find it in my posts before you even start.
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I never said you did?
 
LanaPodesta said:
Here

And here...

And here...

This one takes the cake
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I'll let her answer for herself, but she was referencing Italy and the UK specifically. She never mentioned Russia, Rumania or the Ukraine, so she may have been referring to Western Europe.

As for Free, WIP and myself (and others), we were not arguing against the conclusions of the OP but against the premise that the US is even very Christian at all anymore. If anything our posts fall into agreement with the OP rather than argue against it, though we were each telling you the matter is more complex. That's a different thing than taking one of the two sides designated by the OP and then arguing for or against.

Lana, understand. You are discussing matters with adults on this forum. Nearly all the people you are interacting with are at least four times your age. Don't assume someone is arguing against you simply because they take issue with the premise you present. They are trying to show you there may be more to it than just "which is true, A or B?" (something I told you in my very first sentence, and am still trying to communicate to you).
 
Hidden In Him said:
She never mentioned Russia, Rumania or the Ukraine
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So they're not in Europe? I literally posted a bunch of European countries that are way more Christian than the US and she was like 'no europe is atheist'.
Hidden In Him said:
Don't assume someone is arguing against you simply because they take issue with the premise you present
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What is your understanding of what my premise is?
 
LanaPodesta said:
What is your understanding of what my premise is?
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What do you think my understanding of the premise was? LoL.

"Protestant countries are richer and less safe, Orthodox countries are safer but less rich: discuss."

You mean what is my conclusion?
 
Hidden In Him said:
You mean what is my conclusion?
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If you are asking me what my conclusion is, yes. Without even looking, the OP is with all likelihood true. It was prophesied decades ago (early 80s) that while the former communist countries were increasingly embracing freedom, the West and especially the States would become increasingly socialist, and that prophecy has come to pass and is still coming to pass. So why would I doubt the OP? Like I said, I'm an adult, and I've been around.

But I would again caution against making it a question of moral superiority, because nearly 100 years ago much of the EoC countries began their descent into atheistic communism, and you would not have been able to make the arguments you can make today. It's simply the effects of time, and humanity on one side of the globe learning their lesson about rejecting God while the other side is about to.
 
Hidden In Him said:
because nearly 100 years ago much of the EoC countries began their descent into atheistic communism
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There's also a reason WHY these countries became Communist so readily, whilst Marx' country of origin (Germany) did not. The same reason Orthodox countries resist secularism is the same reason the embraced Communism. But again this brings us off topic.
Hidden In Him said:
She never mentioned Russia, Rumania or the Ukraine
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Are these countries no longer in Europe? She repeatedly referred to Europe as being 'atheist'.
 
Hidden In Him said:
Yes they are, but I don't know that's what she was referring to.

GodsGrace
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My post number 114 will explain.
I've explained to Lana that it is not useful to continue this conversation at least twice now.

When persons refer to Europe they usually mean Western Europe.
The countries I posted as being atheist are in Western Europe...not familiar with Eastern Europe.

I've explained this to LanaPodesta but it hasn't helped.

I'm sorry she feels so upset but i cannot do anything more.

I respect her opinion but will not be contributing further to this thread.

With love I withdraw..
 
GodsGrace said:
When persons refer to Europe they usually mean Western Europe.
The countries I posted as being atheist are in Western Europe...not familiar with Eastern Europe.
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This is the way I understood you, sister.

Blessings, and hope you have a wonderful morning. :thm
 
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