The Jehovah’s Witnesses Teach Jesus is Mighty God

[Free]

i have seen others try to make the claim . i have never seen it work .

I have done it. You ignored it. Please address it. I have asked you repeatedly now and I would prefer not to have to ask again.

something i have seen is the hatefulness Jesus said to expect. John 15:18 and then as well john 15:19

That doesn’t apply to JWs because they don’t have the Jesus of the Bible, which means they don’t have God either. They have a Bible version that was purposely distorted to support their erroneous beliefs and so are false teachers, which Christians are supposed to call out and warn against. And it certainly doesn’t apply here since most of us are Christians, not “of the world.”

 

[Blain DeCastro]

i can say i am . i can even say i am what i am . so what does i am mean in the context of either the almighty God saying it or jesus the son of God . they are saying they are real and they are ready to prove it. and prove it they did .

When Jesus said this it doesn't matter what context you put it in he was clearly saying he was and is and is to come, He even said before Abraham was I am this is saying that before the conception of Abraham he was. Also don't forget the name he has Emanuel

 

[locust]

Greetings again Locust,

Have you ever considered that the NWT "cautious" is an incorrect and a poor translation in the following:
Genesis 3:1 (NWT): Now the serpent was the most cautious of all the wild animals of the field that Jehovah God had made.

Kind regards
Trevor

as the serpent is considered to be a snake genesis 3:1 is it speaking of a real flesh and blood snake . granted i dont come across many snakes yet the ones i do see are always in a hurry to get as far from me quickly as possible .
yes ,i would call that cautious .as i am much bigger than a snake . cautious would mean to careful to avoid potential problems or dangers:
are the bibles you use skipping over that fact ?
whats to be said but the snake of genesis 3:1?? its not really a snake ? could it be,,,,,,,,satan !? did Satan Disguise him self as a speaking snake or did Eve hear the words and assume she heard the snake say something??
was it time an opportunity on Satan's part he being cautious not to alarm the woman ?
what we do know is that Satan lied .

 

[locust]

I have done it. You ignored it. Please address it. I have asked you repeatedly now and I would prefer not to have to ask again.


That doesn’t apply to JWs because they don’t have the Jesus of the Bible, which means they don’t have God either. They have a Bible version that was purposely distorted to support their erroneous beliefs and so are false teachers, which Christians are supposed to call out and warn against. And it certainly doesn’t apply here since most of us are Christians, not “of the world.”

is that hateful speech? please consider what Jesus said john 15-18-21
18 If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. 20 Remember what I told you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master. 25 If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. 21 They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the one who sent me. ''
then the question to your self ,are you of the world or of Christ ? we know what was done to the Christ. would you back the same thing for the JW's ?

 

[locust]

When Jesus said this it doesn't matter what context you put it in he was clearly saying he was and is and is to come, He even said before Abraham was I am this is saying that before the conception of Abraham he was. Also don't forget the name he has Emanuel

ah yes , Emanuel ,meaning God with us,
or at least with the ones he's fond of . i then think of john 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.''
its mankind that has the reasonability to be right with God. thankfully there is Jesus to light the way.

 

[JLB]

I do hope you are not that Jesus is the almighty God . That that would be a fupa

Words of Christ in red -


“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” Revelation 1:8


I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”
Revelation 22:13



Then from the Old Testament -

“Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel,
And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts:
I am the First and I am the Last;
Besides Me there is no God.

 

[Blain DeCastro]

ah yes , Emanuel ,meaning God with us,
or at least with the ones he's fond of . i then think of john 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.''
its mankind that has the reasonability to be right with God. thankfully there is Jesus to light the way.

The ones he's fond of? Is that what it says? No it is not. All your doing is trying to twist the scripture to make it say something it isn't

 

[locust]

The ones he's fond of? Is that what it says? No it is not all your doing is try two twist the scripture to make it say something it isn't

some he likes some he dont

Matthew 7:21-23 ESV​

matthew 7 :4 ''Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. ''
if you have been deceived and have failed to correct to the way he likes you are a walking dead man. there are standards to keep

 

[Free]

is that hateful speech? please consider what Jesus said john 15-18-21
18 If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. 20 Remember what I told you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master. 25 If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. 21 They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the one who sent me. ''
then the question to your self ,are you of the world or of Christ ?

Which doesn’t apply to JWs and certainly not in this context.

we know what was done to the Christ. would you back the same thing for the JW's ?

Inhave no idea what you’re referring to.

Last time: please address what I posted regarding contradictions im the NWT.

 

[locust]

Last time: please address what I posted regarding contradictions im the NWT.

Already did that Maybe you can come up with a better Example

 

[locust]

Which doesn’t apply to JWs and certainly not in this context.

Do you have another Christion Organization you dislike more than the JW's?

 

[Free]

Already did that Maybe you can come up with a better Example

Please stop being dishonest. You certainly have not done so. From post #30:

The Watchtower even changed a portion of the NWT just to make it agree with their theology, because they understood the implications. The interesting thing is, you quoted that very passage in the other discussion on the deity of Jesus. Here it is, Col. 1:15-17, from the 2013 version of the NWT:

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all other things, and by means of him all other things were made to exist,

Notice that "other" has been added four times, despite it not appearing at all in the Greek text. That completely changes the meaning, because they, unlike you, recognized the implications of it not being there. The text tells us that everything that was created came into being by means of the Son. That precludes the Son from ever having been created or coming into being.

And, it is done deceitfully, and they know it. Here is how that passage appears in the 1984 version:

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [other] things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all [other] things+and by means of him all [other] things were made to exist,

Notice that "other" appears in square brackets ("[ ]"), which means that the word does not appear in the Greek texts, but has been added in the translation. But, they took those brackets out in the latest edition to make it appear as though "other" is in Greek text. Very, very deceptive.

More than that, this can be confirmed simply by looking at the passage in their very own The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures. Their own interlinear translation proves that "other" doesn't exist in the Greek text.

Of course, they only did it there and not anywhere else, such as in John 1:3 and 1 Cor. 8:6, making it contradict itself.

You didn’t respond to that post at all, nor did you address anything in posts #62 and #63. You need to start addressing them.

 

[Free]

do you have another Christion Organization you hate more than the JW's?

I don’t hate the JWs. I feel sorry for them, as they are lost. They don’t believe in the Jesus of the Bible, which means they don’t have the Father, which means there is no salvation within their church.

Anyway, it’s long past time you start addressing things I’ve posted to you.

 

[follower]

we know what was done to the Christ. would you back the same thing for the JW's ?

What does Jesus do to those controlled by the enemy, serving the enemy, with idols and idolatry and greed and false teachings and false gospels. It is bad, for them, but righteous and just and true as Jesus Says and Does all the Father Directs.
We are supposed to not even accept in the assembly anyone who brings a false gospel nor greet them nor have a meal with them, as God's Word Plainly Declares, lest the little ones who are in the assembly and others watching are corrupted by that which is foul and false and the punishment for the sin then falls on all who did not obey.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Moderator's Note: Keep things civil, please. Don't want to have to delete posts or ban anyone's involvement.

 

[locust]

Please stop being dishonest. You certainly have not done so. From post #30:

The Watchtower even changed a portion of the NWT just to make it agree with their theology, because they understood the implications. The interesting thing is, you quoted that very passage in the other discussion on the deity of Jesus. Here it is, Col. 1:15-17, from the 2013 version of the NWT:

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all other things, and by means of him all other things were made to exist,

Notice that "other" has been added four times, despite it not appearing at all in the Greek text. That completely changes the meaning, because they, unlike you, recognized the implications of it not being there. The text tells us that everything that was created came into being by means of the Son. That precludes the Son from ever having been created or coming into being.

And, it is done deceitfully, and they know it. Here is how that passage appears in the 1984 version:

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [other] things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all [other] things+and by means of him all [other] things were made to exist,

Notice that "other" appears in square brackets ("[ ]"), which means that the word does not appear in the Greek texts, but has been added in the translation. But, they took those brackets out in the latest edition to make it appear as though "other" is in Greek text. Very, very deceptive.

More than that, this can be confirmed simply by looking at the passage in their very own The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures. Their own interlinear translation proves that "other" doesn't exist in the Greek text.

Of course, they only did it there and not anywhere else, such as in John 1:3 and 1 Cor. 8:6, making it contradict itself.

You didn’t respond to that post at all, nor did you address anything in posts #62 and #63. You need to start addressing them.

please ,what happened to the accusations of contradictions?

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Locust,

as the serpent is considered to be a snake genesis 3:1 is it speaking of a real flesh and blood snake . granted i dont come across many snakes yet the ones i do see are always in a hurry to get as far from me quickly as possible .
yes ,i would call that cautious .as i am much bigger than a snake . cautious would mean to careful to avoid potential problems or dangers:

Perhaps I should not labour this subject, but from this comment it appears that you have not properly considered this aspect.
Genesis 3:1 (NWT): Now the serpent was the most cautious of all the wild animals of the field that Jehovah God had made.
Firstly, consider what it actually states, that the serpent was the MOST CAUTIOUS of all the wild animals. Why does it say that this particular serpent is the MOST cautious of all the animals created, and what relevance does this have to the unfolding story concerning the deception of Eve?

are the bibles you use skipping over that fact ?

I am not sure what valid FACT you have actually established. Was this serpent more cautious than the expression "as cautious as a kitten"? Yes, I do look at various Bibles to compare how they render a particular passage and word.
Genesis 3:1 (KJV): Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Genesis 3:1 (NASB95): Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, “Indeed, has God said, ‘You shall not eat from any tree of the garden’?”

Genesis 3:1 (ESV): Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?”

Genesis 3:1 (NIV84): Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”

The above is a sample of a few of the better known translations, and they are consistent in translating the word as "subtil" and the equivalent or similar "crafty". These words have a different range of meaning to "cautious".

Also looking at the NT, Paul alludes to Genesis 3:1 and directly comments on the word rendered "subtil" or "crafty", and in the following the NWT disagrees with their rendition of Genesis 3:1 and uses the word "cunning":
2 Corinthians 11:3 (NWT): But I am afraid that somehow, as the serpent seduced Eve by its cunning,b your minds might be corrupted away from the sincerity and the chastity* that are due the Christ.

2 Corinthians 11:3 (KJV): But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

And finally the margin of the online NWT Study Bible has a marginal alternative: "Or shrewdest, craftiest". I suggest that "cautious" is a completely wrong rendition. What is the correct rendition of Genesis 3:1, the NWT or the margin of the NWT Study Bible?

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[locust]

At which point in Genesis 3:1 Is it speaking of a snake and at which point is it speaking of the actions of Satan?

 

[Free]

please ,what happened to the accusations of contradictions?

I don't understand your question. Everything is there that shows the contradictions in the NWT, from my post #30, and I pointed out that there is more in posts #62 and #63. All of which you have avoided addressing.

 

[for_his_glory]

locust


(incarnate: (especially of a deity, or spirit) embodied in flesh; human form)

God is Spirit, John 4:24, not flesh and blood. Jesus being the very spirit of God before the foundation of the world, as He and the Father are one, John 10:30, (same spirit) had to physically identify Himself with men in human form. As foretold in Isaiah 9:6 Christ Jesus did come as the "word of God" made flesh (skin, bone, blood) to be that light that shines in darkness made manifested before men, John 1:1-14. Since God is spirit form He incarnated Himself into human form (Emanuel/Jesus) as He came in human form speaking in the third person instead of first person to reveal Himself, redeem humanity through His sacrifice on the cross as Jesus now sits at the right hand of the Father, which means representing God's strength, protection and the execution of His will. This signifies God's divine authority and role as intercessor, Hebrews 1:1-3; Romans 8:31-34.

Jesus while here on earth spoke in the third person, which is called "Illeism" that means referring to oneself in the third person instead of the first person. Jesus refers to himself in the third person because he is the first, second and third person, part of the Holy Trinity being Father, Son and Holy Spirit all being co-equal being the very spirit that is God.

God, giving us a better covenant of His grace, Hebrews 8:6, incarnated Himself into human form through a pure virgin birth was to be named Emanuel, which means God is with us, Isaiah 9:6; Matthew 1:18-23, being fully man and fully God. Also found in the NWT and KJV in Isaiah 9:6. Notice both of these versions say mighty God, eternal Father, everlasting Father. The Watch Tower contradicts itself saying Jesus was a created being as even the NWT in Isaiah 9:6 is written: For a child has been born to us, A son has been given to us; And the rulership will rest on his shoulder. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

Illeism is the practice of referring to oneself in the third person using "he, she" or a name instead of "I" as found in the below scriptures.

Scriptures that reference Jesus being referred to as God:
John 1:1-14; John 10:30; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8, 9; 1 John 5:7, 8, 20; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 2 Corinthians 3:17; 13:14; Isaiah 9:6; 44:6; Luke 1:35; Matthew 1:23; 28:19; John 14:16, 17; Genesis 1:1, 2 (cross reference John 1:1-14); 1 Corinthians 12:4-6; Ephesians 4:4-6; Colossians 1:15-17; John 14:9-11; Philippians 2:5-8; Rev 1:8

Scriptures that refer the Holy Spirit as being God:
Psalms 139:7, 8; John 14:17; 16:13; Isaiah 40:13; 1 Corinthians 2:10, 11; Zechariah 4:6; Luke 1:35; Ephesians 4:4-6; Romans 5:5; 1 Corinthians 6:19; Ephesians 1:13; 1 Thessalonians 1:5; Titus 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21; Jude 1:20