Christ is Melchisedec

[precepts]

Christ is Melchisedec, as Paul clearly states in the book of Hebrews!

Hbr 5:1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things [pertaining] to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:
Hbr 5:2 Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity.
Hbr 5:3 And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins.
Hbr 5:4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as [was] Aaron.
Hbr 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
Hbr 5:6 As he saith also in another [place], Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

What other place? Where and when did this happen?


Hebrews, chapter 7:

Hbr 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
Hbr 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Hbr 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

There are many different interpretations, but the evidence proves Melchisedec to be God; not having a beginning or ending of life, just like Christ!

Hbr 7:4 Now consider how great this man [was], unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
Hbr 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
Hbr 7:6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
Hbr 7:7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
Hbr 7:8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he [receiveth them], of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

Who liveth? Melchisedec? It is witnessed that who liveth? If not Melchisedec/Christ?

Hbr 7:9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
Hbr 7:10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
Hbr 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need [was there] that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

Which is a very good question! Why, after the order of Melchisedec, and not the order of Aaron, or another order?

Hbr 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

I don't see any where in this text, another priesthood other than Melchisedec's, to replace Aaron's levitival priesthood. Go figure!

Hbr 7:13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
Hbr 7:14 For [it is] evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
Hbr 7:15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
Hbr 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
Hbr 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Hbr 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
Hbr 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope [did]; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Hbr 7:20 And inasmuch as not without an oath [he was made priest]:
Hbr 7:21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec

God can swear by no higher than himself. Christ was ordained from creation (the tree of life) as our high priest and healer! Christ is God, and God is Christ, the reason for the trinity and the doctrine of Christ, the begotten son of God, hidden from the devil and the angels from creation.

Hbr 7:22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
Hbr 7:23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
Hbr 7:24 But this [man], because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.

Which man, if not Melchisedec/Christ?

Hbr 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
Hbr 7:26 For such an high priest became us, [who is] holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

Which high priest became man, if not God's heavenly high priest?

Hbr 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
Hbr 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, [maketh] the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

Melchisedec came as the "son," "consecrated" into a newer, greater, testament and priesthood, forever more. A new heaven since the fall of man from the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil," a new earth, a new heavenly Jerusalem, and a new testament! The work of God!

This why Christ said:

Jhn 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

 

[Hitch]

It probably means he lacked a pedigree rather than that he is eternal.

 

[precepts]

"Probably" is the key!

 

[Elijah674]

Christ is Melchisedec, as Paul clearly states in the book of Hebrews!
What other place? Where and when did this happen?


Hebrews, chapter 7:
There are many different interpretations, but the evidence proves Melchisedec to be God; not having a beginning or ending of life, just like Christ!


Who liveth? Melchisedec? It is witnessed that who liveth? If not Melchisedec/Christ?


Which is a very good question! Why, after the order of Melchisedec, and not the order of Aaron, or another order?


I don't see any where in this text, another priesthood other than Melchisedec's, to replace Aaron's levitival priesthood. Go figure!


God can swear by no higher than himself. Christ was ordained from creation (the tree of life) as our high priest and healer! Christ is God, and God is Christ, the reason for the trinity and the doctrine of Christ, the begotten son of God, hidden from the devil and the angels from creation.

Which man, if not Melchisedec/Christ?

Which high priest became man, if not God's heavenly high priest?

Melchisedec came as the "son," "consecrated" into a newer, greater, testament and priesthood, forever more. A new heaven since the fall of man from the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil," a new earth, a new heavenly Jerusalem, and a new testament! The work of God!

This why Christ said:

These are All good bible truths! yet the postings disagree most likely? (mine!;))
I FIND THAT THIS WAS ALL kept/truth from Adam's on, because of the Master's [Personal Words] of teaching. And the NO pedigree was mentioned by a post of another.. and I agree with that! (No Levites set up) And Christ was in that order from eternity. And he spoke directly with His VOICE to them!

But as one can accept your verses, (me) what Eternal Gospel from Adam on that is the VOIDED OUT as the DOCTRINE OF CHRIST? What doctrine were the pre/flood ones REJECTING? And Abe had 'converts' in Gen. 12:5 of which Abe + these ones were all GENTILS!

And the ones of today think that it did not take in the Eternal Gospel (Rev. 14:6) to have Souls won to Christ?? (and how long did Abe live this Gospel) This is where most of the today ones make eternal ship/wreck. (Gospel/Ship)

From day one God REQUIRED as seen in why God CALLED Abe in the FIRST PLACE to be His man! Note Gen. 26:5 for that REASON!

Loving OBEDIENCE TO ALL OF THE GODHEADS COMMANDMENTS! (including the one that most TOSS OUT, the 7th Dat Sabbath of God!) Dan. 7:25

--Ellijah

 

[Sinthesis]

It probably means he lacked a pedigree rather than that he is eternal.

Yep! Posts from the past:

Melchisedec was a type for Christ, not Christ himself. Believe it or not, but some people actually worshiped God before the time of Moses and the law. The Jews needed to be reminded of this as they did not believe a priest who didn't fulfill the hereditary requirements of the law (i.e. Levite etc.) was valid. Hebrews 7 shows that Jesus is the head of a priestly order superior to that of the Jews because it was based on Faith rather than heredity.

It is not the flesh nature of a priestly order that matters, but the sacrifice the priestly order offers. In our case Jesus came in the flesh and offered up Himself as a perfect uncorrupted sacrifice, instead of the insufficient animals etc. that both the Levitical order and Melchisedec order (prior to Christ) were only able to offer.

A stumbling block the Jews have is that Jesus was not a Levite, so he could not lawfully be a Jewish priest. The Book of Hebrews explains that though Jesus was not a Levitical priest, He is the High Priest nonetheless of an order both older and superior to that of the Levites in that membership is based on Faith in God rather than heredity.

If heredity determines one's qualification for the priesthood instead of one's Faith, then the potential exists for non-believers to be priests. This naturally resulted in the repeated corruption within the Jewish nation as attested to in Malachi-2 and Ezekiel-44, as well as throughout the New Testament.

 

[Prince]

I agree that Christ is Melchizedec.

 

[TRUTH over TRADITION]

Yep! Posts from the past:

Melchisedec was a type for Christ, not Christ himself. Believe it or not, but some people actually worshiped God before the time of Moses and the law. The Jews needed to be reminded of this as they did not believe a priest who didn't fulfill the hereditary requirements of the law (i.e. Levite etc.) was valid. Hebrews 7 shows that Jesus is the head of a priestly order superior to that of the Jews because it was based on Faith rather than heredity.

It is not the flesh nature of a priestly order that matters, but the sacrifice the priestly order offers. In our case Jesus came in the flesh and offered up Himself as a perfect uncorrupted sacrifice, instead of the insufficient animals etc. that both the Levitical order and Melchisedec order (prior to Christ) were only able to offer.

A stumbling block the Jews have is that Jesus was not a Levite, so he could not lawfully be a Jewish priest. The Book of Hebrews explains that though Jesus was not a Levitical priest, He is the High Priest nonetheless of an order both older and superior to that of the Levites in that membership is based on Faith in God rather than heredity.

If heredity determines one's qualification for the priesthood instead of one's Faith, then the potential exists for non-believers to be priests. This naturally resulted in the repeated corruption within the Jewish nation as attested to in Malachi-2 and Ezekiel-44, as well as throughout the New Testament.

Wow Sinthesis, this is a very logical and reasonable conclusion. I'll have to ponder this idea as it may be the best explanation I've heard to date.

 

[Prince]

Yep! Posts from the past:

Melchisedec was a type for Christ, not Christ himself. Believe it or not, but some people actually worshiped God before the time of Moses and the law. The Jews needed to be reminded of this as they did not believe a priest who didn't fulfill the hereditary requirements of the law (i.e. Levite etc.) was valid. Hebrews 7 shows that Jesus is the head of a priestly order superior to that of the Jews because it was based on Faith rather than heredity.

It is not the flesh nature of a priestly order that matters, but the sacrifice the priestly order offers. In our case Jesus came in the flesh and offered up Himself as a perfect uncorrupted sacrifice, instead of the insufficient animals etc. that both the Levitical order and Melchisedec order (prior to Christ) were only able to offer.

A stumbling block the Jews have is that Jesus was not a Levite, so he could not lawfully be a Jewish priest. The Book of Hebrews explains that though Jesus was not a Levitical priest, He is the High Priest nonetheless of an order both older and superior to that of the Levites in that membership is based on Faith in God rather than heredity.

If heredity determines one's qualification for the priesthood instead of one's Faith, then the potential exists for non-believers to be priests. This naturally resulted in the repeated corruption within the Jewish nation as attested to in Malachi-2 and Ezekiel-44, as well as throughout the New Testament.

Hello S

Melchisedec was a type for Christ, not Christ himself

I disagree Melchizedek was Christ Himself,,,lets see where we differ...

Believe it or not, but some people actually worshiped God before the time of Moses and the law.

Of course Noah Abraham Isaac Jacob, exc... All these men lived before Moses and knew the Lord...

The Jews needed to be reminded of this as they did not believe a priest who didn't fulfill the hereditary requirements of the law

Not quite sure what your getting at here....

The term "Jew" comes from Judah and is not utilized until the 1st book of Kings, God decided long ago that the sons of Aaron (Levites) would handle the script. Long before 1st Kings and the Jews...

It is not the flesh nature of a priestly order that matters

There was a time when it did matter, but now it does not matter.

In our case Jesus came in the flesh and offered up Himself as a perfect uncorrupted sacrifice, instead of the insufficient animals etc

Not to split hairs here but it was God that came in the flesh - which was called Jesus or Emmanuel

King James Bible
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

God with us, that means God came in the flesh not Jesus.

Again my friend not to split hairs but Jesus was a levite - for time sake I will give you commentary on why

Luke 1:27

27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.

This only states the Joseph was of the tribe of Judah.
Luke 1:28-31

28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.

30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

Jesus being Greek for Yahsha. It means "Salvation of Yahveh". God will bring salvation to the world through this One.
Luke 1:32-33

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.


Luke 1:34-35

34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

Mary was not doubting Gabriel’s message, she just didn’t understand how.

35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

This being December 25th, the conception of The Son of The Living God.
Luke 1:36

36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.

Now, here we will explain that Jesus was not of the tribe of Judah only, but also of Levi. How is that possible? It’s simple really. We already know that Elizabeth and Zecharias were full-blood Levites. If Elizabeth is Mary’s cousin, this meant that one of Mary’s parents was a Levite. It happens to be her mother. Her father naturally would be of Judah (Luke 3:33) for the scriptures say Jesus would inherit the throne of David back in verse 32. He would also be a high priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.
This also helps explain the "supposed" problems with the genealogy in Matthew and Luke. The genealogy in Matthew is obviously Joseph’s who had nothing to do with the birth of Christ other than by adoption. In Luke you will not see the word "begat" but "As was supposed" meaning by law. In other words, Mary did not have a brother, therefore Mary's father's heritage was passed on through the daughter to the son-in-law. That's why in Luke you don't see "begat" but "which was the son of..."
Hence, you have both the king line (Judah) and the priest line (Levi). Making Christ the priest of priests and king of kings, & the Lord of all Lords.

See what I mean ?

 

[childeye]

Excellent and informative thread. I am over my head and have nothing to offer as profound as what is contained already in this thread. I do however know that scriptures says "He has made us all kings and priests". In what respect is this priestly order under? I have always considered sincere intercession on behalf of those who have tresspassed against me as my own priestly duty.

 

[precepts]

Excellent and informative thread. I am over my head and have nothing to offer as profound as what is contained already in this thread. I do however know that scriptures says "He has made us all kings and priests". In what respect is this priestly order under? I have always considered sincere intercession on behalf of those who have tresspassed against me as my own priestly duty.

If you had dug deeper, you would have realized that it was the Jews who were made kings and priest from in the old testament. Gentiles can't be priests, especially in the heavenly temple. You can fool some of the people some of the time .....

The people that benefit the most from my threads are the ones who don't respond because I leave no room for debate. Go figure!

 

[Asyncritus]

The key words in the Hebrews account of Melchizedek are 7.3 -

"...but made like unto the Son of God".

Therefore, he was not the Son of God.

'Without beginning of days or end of life' means, as someone said, without pedigree. I would add 'without Levitical pedigree'.

Hebrews seeks to establish the superiority of Christ's priesthood over that of the Aaronites. Their priesthood depended on the fact that their pedigree went back to Levi and Aaron.

Christ's pedigree goes back to Judah: 7.14:

"For it is evident that our Lord sprand out of Judah; as to which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood"

Therefore, in order for Him to be a priest, His priesthood has to go back to another 'order', and as is said in Ps 110.4

"Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek" - not after the order of Levi and Aaron.

The 'without beginning of days or end of life' means that as far as scripture is concerned, Melchizedek's birth is not recorded, and his death is not recorded.

So we need to get a hold of the way scripture talks and uses other scripture. It's not the way we would normally talk and use scripture, but there it stands.

PS

Precepts - can you please answer the question I've posed several times now and received no answer?

Which High Priest was ever equal to the God he served?

 

[precepts]

The key words in the Hebrews account of Melchizedek are 7.3 -

"...but made like unto the Son of God".

Therefore, he was not the Son of God.

'Without beginning of days or end of life' means, as someone said, without pedigree. I would add 'without Levitical pedigree'.

Hebrews seeks to establish the superiority of Christ's priesthood over that of the Aaronites. Their priesthood depended on the fact that their pedigree went back to Levi and Aaron.

Christ's pedigree goes back to Judah: 7.14:

"For it is evident that our Lord sprand out of Judah; as to which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood"

Therefore, in order for Him to be a priest, His priesthood has to go back to another 'order', and as is said in Ps 110.4

"Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek" - not after the order of Levi and Aaron.

The 'without beginning of days or end of life' means that as far as scripture is concerned, Melchizedek's birth is not recorded, and his death is not recorded.

So we need to get a hold of the way scripture talks and uses other scripture. It's not the way we would normally talk and use scripture, but there it stands.

Hbr 7:4 Now consider how great this man [was], unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
Hbr 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
Hbr 7:6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
Hbr 7:7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
Hbr 7:8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he [receiveth them], of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

This is the games we play in distorting scripture!

 

[elijah23]

I don’t believe Jesus is Melchizedek.

 

[Asyncritus]

This is the games we play in distorting scripture!

Are you distorting scripture, precepts? I wouldn't have accused you of playing games, myself.

That's a serious admission for you to make.:nod

If it's an accusation, then you need to be a bit more specific if you want me to pay attention.

AND, I'D LIKE AN ANSWER TO THE VERY SIMPLE QUESTION ASKED.

WHICH HIGH PRIEST WAS EVER EQUAL TO THE GOD HE SERVED?

Free, Drew, Mac, ANYBODY???
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[Asyncritus]

I don’t believe Jesus is Melchizedek.

Good on ya, Elijah!

 

[precepts]

Are you distorting scripture, precepts? I wouldn't have accused you of playing games, myself.

That's a serious admission for you to make.:nod

If it's an accusation, then you need to be a bit more specific if you want me to pay attention.

AND, I'D LIKE AN ANSWER TO THE VERY SIMPLE QUESTION ASKED.

WHICH HIGH PRIEST WAS EVER EQUAL TO THE GOD HE SERVED?

Free, Drew, Mac, ANYBODY???
​

Like I said before, thank God for the "tv color code!"

 

[Asyncritus]

I'm afraid I don't understand your answer.

Can you rephrase it for me please?

Thanks

 

[precepts]

I'm afraid I don't understand your answer.

Can you rephrase it for me please?

Thanks

.
An Ooko tree can only bear ooko fruit.

 

[Asyncritus]

Ah yes, of course.

And is that what you're bearing now?

 

[precepts]

Ah yes, of course.

And is that what you're bearing now?

Thank God for the "tv color code!"