Christ is Melchisedec

[Scotth1960]

Christ is Melchisedec, as Paul clearly states in the book of Hebrews!
What other place? Where and when did this happen?


Hebrews, chapter 7:
There are many different interpretations, but the evidence proves Melchisedec to be God; not having a beginning or ending of life, just like Christ!


Who liveth? Melchisedec? It is witnessed that who liveth? If not Melchisedec/Christ?


Which is a very good question! Why, after the order of Melchisedec, and not the order of Aaron, or another order?


I don't see any where in this text, another priesthood other than Melchisedec's, to replace Aaron's levitival priesthood. Go figure!


God can swear by no higher than himself. Christ was ordained from creation (the tree of life) as our high priest and healer! Christ is God, and God is Christ, the reason for the trinity and the doctrine of Christ, the begotten son of God, hidden from the devil and the angels from creation.

Which man, if not Melchisedec/Christ?

Which high priest became man, if not God's heavenly high priest?

Melchisedec came as the "son," "consecrated" into a newer, greater, testament and priesthood, forever more. A new heaven since the fall of man from the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil," a new earth, a new heavenly Jerusalem, and a new testament! The work of God!

This why Christ said:

Dear friends, Melchizedek is a man. He was a high priest. Nothing more. See OSB, page 19. q.v If he didn't have father or mother, that would mean he was an orphan. Every human being, man or woman, has a father and a mother. Unless you believe there is more than one virgin birth, and the Bible does not indicate there is more than one virgin birth. Melchizedek is a type (forerunner) of Christ. Not Christ Himself. Christ wasn't born until 4 BC. Or approximately then. Melchizedek lived thousands of years before the incarnation of Christ.
Get real! Read the Bible IN CONTEXT, and DON"T TWIST THE SCRIPTURES (2 PETER 3:16). TAKE CARE. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[precepts]

Dear friends, Melchizedek is a man. He was a high priest. Nothing more. See OSB, page 19. q.v If he didn't have father or mother, that would mean he was an orphan. Every human being, man or woman, has a father and a mother. Unless you believe there is more than one virgin birth, and the Bible does not indicate there is more than one virgin birth. Melchizedek is a type (forerunner) of Christ. Not Christ Himself. Christ wasn't born until 4 BC. Or approximately then. Melchizedek lived thousands of years before the incarnation of Christ.
Get real! Read the Bible IN CONTEXT, and DON"T TWIST THE SCRIPTURES (2 PETER 3:16). TAKE CARE. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

Wow! Another remote viewer! These facts are undisputable facts:

Hbr 7:4 Now consider how great this man [was], unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
Hbr 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
Hbr 7:6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
Hbr 7:7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
Hbr 7:8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he [receiveth them], of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

Simple reading comprehension! Who liveth? Who recieved tithes there of whom it is witnessed that who liveth? Simple reading comprehension!

 

[Asyncritus]

Thank God for the "tv color code!"

Hey precepts :waving

When am I going to get a sensible answer from you?

signed

Ooko

BTW 'I don't know' is a sensible and acceptable answer.

 

[precepts]

Hey precepts :waving

When am I going to get a sensible answer from you?

signed

Ooko

BTW 'I don't know' is a sensible and acceptable answer.

You're not worthy of my pearls, Ooko darling.

 

[mamre]

Christ is Melchisedec, as Paul clearly states in the book of Hebrews!
What other place? Where and when did this happen?


Hebrews, chapter 7:
There are many different interpretations, but the evidence proves Melchisedec to be God; not having a beginning or ending of life, just like Christ!


Who liveth? Melchisedec? It is witnessed that who liveth? If not Melchisedec/Christ?


Which is a very good question! Why, after the order of Melchisedec, and not the order of Aaron, or another order?


I don't see any where in this text, another priesthood other than Melchisedec's, to replace Aaron's levitival priesthood. Go figure!


God can swear by no higher than himself. Christ was ordained from creation (the tree of life) as our high priest and healer! Christ is God, and God is Christ, the reason for the trinity and the doctrine of Christ, the begotten son of God, hidden from the devil and the angels from creation.

Which man, if not Melchisedec/Christ?

Which high priest became man, if not God's heavenly high priest?

Melchisedec came as the "son," "consecrated" into a newer, greater, testament and priesthood, forever more. A new heaven since the fall of man from the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil," a new earth, a new heavenly Jerusalem, and a new testament! The work of God!

This why Christ said:

By saying that Melchizedek is Christ you mean then that Christianity believes and accepts reincarnation. Because, Abraham paid tithes to Melchisedek who was the King of Salem (a real, live man). Salem was a city in ancient Palestine (possibly ancient Jerusalem).

If you say that Christ is Melchizedek, it amounts to say that Melchizedek has reincarnated as Jesus. That means that he lived twice upon this earth. THAT would be reincarnation.

mamre

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Maybe - Maybe not -

"Christ is Melchisedec, as Paul clearly states in the book of Hebrews!"

Actually he DOESN'T state that at all. HE ONLY states the Jesus is a priest "AFTER THE ORDER OF" Melchizedek who is presented as a "Priest of the most High God" (Gen 14:18).

Melchizedek isn't "Eternal" - the bible only intimates that his "Personal history" and "pedgree" is "unknown".

And His primary FUNCTION scripturally appears to be the establishment of a priesthood GREATER that the Levitical one - that Jesus could "move into".

Melchizedek as a "Theophanie" is a popular theory. But really only "Another Theory".

 

[precepts]

mamre's

By saying that Melchizedek is Christ you mean then that Christianity believes and accepts reincarnation.

By decree, I mean.

mamre's

Because, Abraham paid tithes to Melchisedek who was the King of Salem (a real, live man). Salem was a city in ancient Palestine (possibly ancient Jerusalem).

It's impossible to not comprehend Heb 7:8.

mamre's

If you say that Christ is Melchizedek, it amounts to say that Melchizedek has reincarnated as Jesus. That means that he lived twice upon this earth. THAT would be reincarnation.

That would make John the baptist a reincarnated Elijah, no?


Who is "Joshua" the son of Josedech?

Zec 6:9 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Zec 6:10 Take of [them of] the captivity, [even] of Heldai, of Tobijah, and of Jedaiah, which are come from Babylon, and come thou the same day, and go into the house of Josiah the son of Zephaniah;
Zec 6:11 Then take silver and gold, and make crowns, and set [them] upon the head of Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest;
Zec 6:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name [is] The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:
Zec 6:13 Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.
Zec 6:14 And the crowns shall be to Helem, and to Tobijah, and to Jedaiah, and to Hen the son of Zephaniah, for a memorial in the temple of the LORD.

WHO IS THE "BRANCH?"

Jer 33:15 In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.

Zec 3:8 Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they [are] men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH.

Jhn 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

GO FIGURE!

 

[precepts]

Re: Maybe - Maybe not -

"Christ is Melchisedec, as Paul clearly states in the book of Hebrews!"

Actually he DOESN'T state that at all. HE ONLY states the Jesus is a priest "AFTER THE ORDER OF" Melchizedek who is presented as a "Priest of the most High God" (Gen 14:18).

Melchizedek isn't "Eternal" - the bible only intimates that his "Personal history" and "pedgree" is "unknown".

The bible doesn't "intimates his personal history or pedigree," man does! The bible clearly states he is without mother or father, eternal!



Bob's

And His primary FUNCTION scripturally appears to be the establishment of a priesthood GREATER that the Levitical one - that Jesus could "move into".

Then who was the heavenly temple's high priest before Christ? The heavenly temple was there from creation, mentioned in Revelation. Who was the priest/high priest?


Bob's

Melchizedek as a "Theophanie" is a popular theory. But really only "Another Theory".

The interpretation of him not having a pedigree, is "the" theory. Everything else is written.

 

[handy]

The king of Salem...would also mean the King of Peace.....Salem=Peace.

Just thought I'd throw that into the mix! ;)

 

[Prince]

The king of Salem...would also mean the King of Peace.....Salem=Peace.

Just thought I'd throw that into the mix! ;)

It seems that only one person can be Melchizedek and that is Jesus Christ.


Hebrews 7:3 "Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually."

Remember when Christ said

I am Alpha and Omega the beginningandthe ending saith the Lord which is http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/3801.htmand which was http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/3801.htmand which is to come http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/3801.htmthe Almighty

 

[handy]

I believe that Christ is Melchizedek.

No, I don't believe that He was "reincarnated"...Melchizedek (king of righteousness) came out of Salem (peace), blessed Abram, received tithes as both king and priest, and then was not spoken of again.

I don't think that Salem was an actual "place" nor Melchizedek an earthly king.

I do believe that Christ has always been the King of Kings, the Prince of Peace, and the Royal Priest. Always, eternally.

I do think that most likely the place where Abram was blessed and gave tithes would later become Jerusalem, but not until much later.

 

[mamre]

I believe that Christ is Melchizedek.

No, I don't believe that He was "reincarnated"...Melchizedek (king of righteousness) came out of Salem (peace), blessed Abram, received tithes as both king and priest, and then was not spoken of again.

I don't think that Salem was an actual "place" nor Melchizedek an earthly king.

I do believe that Christ has always been the King of Kings, the Prince of Peace, and the Royal Priest. Always, eternally.

I do think that most likely the place where Abram was blessed and gave tithes would later become Jerusalem, but not until much later.

Well handy,

The fact is, if you say that you do believe that Christ is Melchisedec and vice-versa, then it stands to reason that you necessarily believe that Melchisedec reincarnated as Jesus Christ. There is no other logical explanation.

Think about what you are saying:

IF Jesus was Melchisedec, THEN Jesus was upon the earth physically before.

Since Abraham interacted with Melchisedec physcally, giving him a tenth part of all he had then there is no doubt that Melchisedec was a real person. Being a real person means he was born to another woman and another man. If he is Jesus as you say, he was also born a second time to Mary and Heavenly Father. THAT is reincarnation. That's what the Hindus believe.

Yes, Jerusalem was named Jerusalem much later when the Jebusites took over the city, hence the name Jeru Salem, (Jebus Salem sounds similar?) When David took over Jerusalem, the place belonged to the Jebusites. David bought Mount Moriah to build the temple from a Jebusite man.

However, before it became Jerusalem (or Jebus Salem), it was Salem, the city once ruled by a righteous king called Melchisedec.

What you need to believe however, is what the scriptures say: That Melchisedec was such a righteous man that he received the title of Prince of Peace.

Also the city of Salem must have been named such because he pacified it by preaching the gospel and converting its inhabitants. As they converted the city became a city of peace. The word Salem is, perhaps, an ancient form of the word "shalom" which means peace in Hebrew. Hence, Prince of Peace.

Given that the scriptures say that Melchisedec was such a faithful man that deserved the honor to be called the Prince of Peace, then we can see easily that he stands as a type or an example of what was to be when Jesus Himself would come.

1. Melchisedec brought peace (Prince of Peace) to an entire city by preaching the true gospel.
2. Melchisedec was the King of the city named Salem that later became Jerusalem.
3. Melchisedec preached the gospel by the authority of the priesthood of the Most High God, which in his honor became known as the Priesthood of Melchisedec.

1. Jesus brought the kingdom of peace.
2. Jesus is the Prince of Peace (He entered Jerusalem (once Salem) as a King in a donkey, symbolizing peace)
3. Jesus preached the gospel by the authority of the priesthood of the Most High, which the scriptures say is the Priesthood of (the order of) Melchisedec

Jesus brought peace in a much broader way, through His sacrifice. With the authority of the priesthood He offered the ultimate sacrifice, His. He needed to have the Priesthood to offer Himself in sacrifice.

Melchisedec was a type of what Christ would be and do.


But Melchisedec is a different man then Jesus.


All that explanation above is in the scripture, but that Jesus was born first as Melchisedec and then as Jesus is not found in the scripture, it is only an interpretation.


If you believe Melchisedec was Jesus than you believe in reincarnation.

Plus, believing in something doesn't make it true.

have a great day,
mamre

 

[handy]

Mamre,

Reincarnation is something entirely different. Reincarnation is the idea that a person's soul leaves one body upon death and is rebirthed in an entirely different body...possibly not even a human body.

Melchizedek's birth was never described, we are told that he was without mother or father and had neither beginning nor end of life, but was made like the Son of God.

Neither I, nor anyone else that I can see, are saying that Christ was born first as Melchizedek...I'm saying, as well as others, that Melcheizedek wasn't born at all.

As for your history of Jerusalem and Melchizedek's preaching of the gospel to it, bring peace to it and that this city actually did become Jerusalem...please, by all means, share the chapters and verses in which you are drawing all this information from. In the few verses in Genesis 14 and Hebrews 7, I don't see any of this information.

Abraham also dealt physically with the Angel of God, he prepared a meal and ate with Him...and yet this angel was hardly born of a woman or died. In God's universe there are very many "real" persons, who are not necessarily bound by being born of a woman and dying. Someone can be very real in the spiritual sense and yet not be born a baby and dying.

 

[mamre]

Dear friends, Melchizedek is a man. He was a high priest. Nothing more. See OSB, page 19. q.v If he didn't have father or mother, that would mean he was an orphan. Every human being, man or woman, has a father and a mother. Unless you believe there is more than one virgin birth, and the Bible does not indicate there is more than one virgin birth. Melchizedek is a type (forerunner) of Christ. Not Christ Himself. Christ wasn't born until 4 BC. Or approximately then. Melchizedek lived thousands of years before the incarnation of Christ.
Get real! Read the Bible IN CONTEXT, and DON"T TWIST THE SCRIPTURES (2 PETER 3:16). TAKE CARE. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

Good job Scotth1960,

Plus, if one says that Melchisedec is Christ then Jesus would have been born twice on this earth. That is reincarnation like the Hindus believe.

The "without father or mother" refers to the priesthood as compared to the Aaronic priesthood.

In ancient Israel to be a priest in the order of Aaron you would need to be of the lineage of Aaron. That means you would have a father who was of that lineage. Therefore that priesthood order required a father and a mother to qualify for the priesthood.

In contrast the Melchisedec Priesthood doesn't require such a lineage. The only requirement for that order is to be righteous. Melchisedec is said to be extremely righteous as per Hebrews. Jesus is the perfect example of righteousness.

Being righteous and bringing peace to Salem through the preaching of the gospel makes Melchisedec a Prince of Peace. He did all that by the power of the priesthood he held, which later received his name in his honor.

Therefore, Melchisedec is a type of what Jesus would do for us. Jesus brought the Kingdom of Peace to earth. He is the Prince of Peace. He did that by sacrificing in our behalf so we don't have to suffer the demands of the law (reconciling us with God).

One can only perform an acceptable sacrifice if he has the authority of the Priesthood of God. Jesus had that authority, so he performed the perfect sacrifice for all of us.

Contrast and compare that with the sacrifices that were performed daily in the temple before Christ. They could only be done by the Aaronic Priesthood who'd entered the temple and made sacrifices for the sins of the people, shedding animal blood. They could not do more than that, but Christ could.

Aaronic Priesthood the lesser priesthood. Melchisedec Priesthood is the higher priesthood. Aaronic is from a lineage of man (needs father and mother); Melchisedec is from the direct "lineage" of God (no need of earthly father and mother). Jesus is the literal Son of God on earth. Do you see the two lineages compared?

One priesthood is temporal, pertaining to this earth (coming by perishable earthly father and mother).
The other priesthood is spiritual, pertaining to God (coming by nonperishable, eternal Heavenly Father).

One sacrifice is temporal, perishable, non-effective for salvation.
The other sacrifice is eternal, nonperishable, effective for salvation.

That is the comparison made by Paul.

We should always stick with the scriptures instead of trying to find mysterious meanings we cannot comprehend.

have a great day,
mamre

 

[Prince]

Good job Scotth1960,

Plus, if one says that Melchisedec is Christ then Jesus would have been born twice on this earth. That is reincarnation like the Hindus believe.

The "without father or mother" refers to the priesthood as compared to the Aaronic priesthood.

In ancient Israel to be a priest in the order of Aaron you would need to be of the lineage of Aaron. That means you would have a father who was of that lineage. Therefore that priesthood order required a father and a mother to qualify for the priesthood.

In contrast the Melchisedec Priesthood doesn't require such a lineage. The only requirement for that order is to be righteous. Melchisedec is said to be extremely righteous as per Hebrews. Jesus is the perfect example of righteousness.

Being righteous and bringing peace to Salem through the preaching of the gospel makes Melchisedec a Prince of Peace. He did all that by the power of the priesthood he held, which later received his name in his honor.

Therefore, Melchisedec is a type of what Jesus would do for us. Jesus brought the Kingdom of Peace to earth. He is the Prince of Peace. He did that by sacrificing in our behalf so we don't have to suffer the demands of the law (reconciling us with God).

One can only perform an acceptable sacrifice if he has the authority of the Priesthood of God. Jesus had that authority, so he performed the perfect sacrifice for all of us.

Contrast and compare that with the sacrifices that were performed daily in the temple before Christ. They could only be done by the Aaronic Priesthood who'd entered the temple and made sacrifices for the sins of the people, shedding animal blood. They could not do more than that, but Christ could.

Aaronic Priesthood the lesser priesthood. Melchisedec Priesthood is the higher priesthood. Aaronic is from a lineage of man (needs father and mother); Melchisedec is from the direct "lineage" of God (no need of earthly father and mother). Jesus is the literal Son of God on earth. Do you see the two lineages compared?

One priesthood is temporal, pertaining to this earth (coming by perishable earthly father and mother).
The other priesthood is spiritual, pertaining to God (coming by nonperishable, eternal Heavenly Father).

One sacrifice is temporal, perishable, non-effective for salvation.
The other sacrifice is eternal, nonperishable, effective for salvation.

That is the comparison made by Paul.

We should always stick with the scriptures instead of trying to find mysterious meanings we cannot comprehend.

have a great day,
mamre

Hello, well I respond to much because I believe Handy left some points for you to address..

Plus, if one says that Melchisedec is Christ then Jesus would have been born twice on this earth. That is reincarnation like the Hindus believe.

Untrue - Melchizedek never died, he has no beginning nor end...

 

[mamre]

Mamre,

Reincarnation is something entirely different. Reincarnation is the idea that a person's soul leaves one body upon death and is rebirthed in an entirely different body...possibly not even a human body.

Reincarnation is: you die on this earth and later on you are born to another family or as animal. In Hinduism you need to keep coming back and being born over and over until you become a better person.

Melchizedek's birth was never described, we are told that he was without mother or father and had neither beginning nor end of life, but was made like the Son of God.

Melchizedek's birth is not mentioned in the scriptures, period. The fact that it is not mentioned doesn't mean he didn't have a father and a mother (you are extrapolating, reading something in it that is not there). It just means that the scriptures doesn't mention it, that is all there is to it.

Everyone has a father and a mother EVEN Jesus Christ has. Therefore, this comparison you make is not feasible. JESUS, THE SON OF GOD HAS A FATHER AND A MOTHER, IT IS IN THE SCRIPTURES, READ THE NATIVITY STORY PLEASE. Heavenly Father and Mary.

Neither I, nor anyone else that I can see, are saying that Christ was born first as Melchizedek...I'm saying, as well as others, that Melcheizedek wasn't born at all.

However, Melchisedec was a physical human being who interacted with Abraham. He took the tithing from Abraham hands and blessed him.

Please don't make things up that are not in the scriptures. Stick with the scriptures.

As for your history of Jerusalem and Melchizedek's preaching of the gospel to it, bring peace to it and that this city actually did become Jerusalem...please, by all means, share the chapters and verses in which you are drawing all this information from. In the few verses in Genesis 14 and Hebrews 7, I don't see any of this information.

So you can extrapolate the scriptures and say that Melchisedec was not born. However, you require that I show the chapters to you? Who gave you the privilege of extrapolating the scriptures, but require other to prove with scriptures? Interesting, two standards, one for you and another for me.

On the other hand, I am not extrapolating, one can only bring peace to this earth by PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST. Again, stick with the scriptures.

Jesus is the Prince of Peace because HE BROUGHT THE GOSPEL BACK TO EARTH. THAT is in the scriptures.

In the few verses in Genesis 14 and Hebrews 7 I don't see anything saying that Melchisedec was Christ, much less that Melchisedec was not born. Show me the verses where you read that please.

On the other hand it says Melchisedec was called the Prince of Peace and that he had a priesthood that was called after his name.
Since true peace can be only be brought with the PREACHING OF THE GOSPEL, then it is correct to understand that one that is called the prince of peace can only have that honor if he preached the true Gospel of Jesus Christ with faith and diligence (as Paul praises him for). THAT IS IN THE SCRIPTURES EVERYWHERE.

Abraham also dealt physically with the Angel of God, he prepared a meal and ate with Him...and yet this angel was hardly born of a woman or died. In God's universe there are very many "real" persons, who are not necessarily bound by being born of a woman and dying. Someone can be very real in the spiritual sense and yet not be born a baby and dying.

It is not in the scriptures either that the Angel of God was not born of a woman or died. YOU DON'T KNOW THAT. Show the verses and chapters where it says that the Angel was not born of woman or not died.

Those "angels" were not spirits as they ate and washed their feet as it is in the scriptures. We know those angels were not spirits because spirits don't have bodies that need physical food and washing. Stick with the scriptures please.

Also show the verses and chapters where we can find "in Gods universe there are very many "real"persons who are not necessarily bound by being born of a woman and dying..." That's interpretation from your head.

Furthermore THIS, all around us, is part of God's universe, He created it, remember.

Stick with the scriptures please.

have a great day
mamre

 

[handy]

We should always stick with the scriptures instead of trying to find mysterious meanings we cannot comprehend.

Oh, I agree entirely, we should always stick with the scriptures...so let's look at what the scriptures have to say about Melchizedek:

Genesis 14:18-20 "And Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; now he was a priest of God Most High. He blessed him and said,
"Blessed be Abram of God Most High,
Possessor of heaven and earth;
And blessed be God Most High,
Who has delivered your enemies into your hand."
He gave him a tenth of all.

Psalm 110:4 'The LORD has sworn and will not change His mind,
"You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek."'

Hebrews 5:5-10 "So also Christ did not glorify Himself so as to become a high priest, but He who said to Him,
"YOU ARE MY SON,
TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU";
just as He says also in another passage,
"YOU ARE A PRIEST FOREVER
ACCORDING TO THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK."
In the days of His flesh, He offered up both prayers and supplications with loud crying and tears to the One able to save Him from death, and He was heard because of His piety. Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered. And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation, being designated by God as a high priest according to the order of Melchizedek.

Hebrews 6:19-20 "This hope we have as an anchor of the soul, a hope both sure and steadfast and one which enters within the veil,where Jesus has entered as a forerunner for us, having become a high priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.

Hebrews Chapter 7:1-24
For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham as he was returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, to whom also Abraham apportioned a tenth part of all the spoils, was first of all, by the translation of his name, king of righteousness, and then also king of Salem, which is king of peace.

Without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, he remains a priest perpetually.

Now observe how great this man was to whom Abraham, the patriarch, gave a tenth of the choicest spoils. And those indeed of the sons of Levi who receive the priest's office have commandment in the Law to collect a tenth from the people, that is, from their brethren, although these are descended from Abraham.

But the one whose genealogy is not traced from them collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed the one who had the promises. But without any dispute the lesser is blessed by the greater.

In this case mortal men receive tithes, but in that case one receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives on. And, so to speak, through Abraham even Levi, who received tithes, paid tithes, for he was still in the loins of his father when Melchizedek met him.

Now if perfection was through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the people received the Law), what further need was there for another priest to arise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be designated according to the order of Aaron?

For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also. For the one concerning whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no one has officiated at the altar.

For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah, a tribe with reference to which Moses spoke nothing concerning priests.
And this is clearer still, if another priest arises according to the likeness of Melchizedek, who has become such not on the basis of a law of physical requirement, but according to the power of an indestructible life.

For it is attested of Him,
"YOU ARE A PRIEST FOREVER
ACCORDING TO THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK."
For, on the one hand, there is a setting aside of a former commandment because of its weakness and uselessness (for the Law made nothing perfect), and on the other hand there is a bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.
And inasmuch as it was not without an oath (for they indeed became priests without an oath, but He with an oath through the One who said to Him,
"THE LORD HAS SWORN
AND WILL NOT CHANGE HIS MIND,
'YOU ARE A PRIEST FOREVER'");
so much the more also Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant.

The former priests, on the one hand, existed in greater numbers because they were prevented by death from continuing, but Jesus, on the other hand, because He continues forever, holds His priesthood permanently.



These passages contain the sum total of what we can possibly know of Melchizedek. There is nothing more about him within the Scriptures.

What do these passages say about who Melchizedek was?

He was (as the writer of to the Hebrews states) first of all the king of righteousness and the king of Salem (which means peace), he is a priest of God, for the order of his priesthood is forever and he remains a priest perpetually. He has neither the beginning of days nor end of life.(Hebrews 7:3) He is not a mortal man for as it states in Hebrews 7:8 "In this case mortal men receive tithes, but in that case one receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives on."

Melchizedek is a priest, not because of law or ordination but because of an indestructible life. Again Hebrews 7:16, "according to the likeness of Melchizedek, who has become such not on the basis of a law of physical requirement, but according to the power of an indestructible life."

Prince is right, there is much more to address, but let's start with these.

And again, Mamre, no one is speaking of reincarnation here except you...no one is indicating that Melchizedek was born, died and was rebirthed as Jesus, but rather that Melchizedek is no ordinary mortal, but someone eternal, someone who is the king of righteousness, the king of Peace, having no beginning nor end of days...

 

[mamre]

Hello, well I respond to much because I believe Handy left some points for you to address..



Untrue - Melchizedek never died, he has no beginning nor end...

Even the Son of God died.

So, why would Melchizedek have that privilege of not dieing? Show the scriptures that support that please.

Please show the scripture verses where it says CLEARLY that Melchisedec never died.

mamre

 

[handy]

Mamre, I see we are both responding at the same time, so after this, I'll take a break so as to see all you have to say now.

But, I do want to address this:
You say, "Melchizedek's birth is not mentioned in the scriptures, period. The fact that it is not mentioned doesn't mean he didn't have a father and a mother (you are extrapolating, reading something in it that is not there). It just means that the scriptures doesn't mention it, that is all there is to it."

I disagree, Hebrews 7:3 specifically states that Melchizedek had "neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, he remains a priest perpetually."

To say that the Scriptures simply do not "mention" his birth is not correct, the Scriptures state that he had no birth, nor death, but remains a priest perpetually. Frankly, after what the writer of Hebrews has to say, to insist that he did have a natural birth is to extrapolate.

 

[handy]

One more quick response:

Please show the scripture verses where it says CLEARLY that Melchisedec never died.

Hebrews 7...read through the passages, they state it quite clearly.

(Enoch didn't die either.)