Spirit Dwelling in US ?

[RevSRE]

Rom_8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
1Co_3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
Col_2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
2Ti_1:14 That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us.
1Jn_3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1Jn_4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

I was told by a district supervisor that the Spirit does not "Dwell in US" but is associated with us in Christian life. Can any one tell me where such an Idea comes from, I missed that lesson!

 

[reba]

His return is not for the USA but for His church... i believe His Church to be victorious ....

Rev_7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

 

[Northman]

I was told by a district supervisor

Probably the problem right there

 

[gr8grace3]

We are actually indwelt by all three members of the trinity.


John 14:23
If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him.

John 14:20 (NASB95)
20 “In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.

2 Corinthians 13:5 (NASB95)
5 Test yourselves to see if you are in the faith; examine yourselves! Or do you not recognize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you—unless indeed you fail the test?

Romans 8:11 (NASB95)
11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

I personally have never ran into a christian who has said ,"The Spirit doesn't dwell in us"

Is your supervisor a Messianic Jew by chance? Or a christian who is influenced by one? I could see that thinking then.

 

[reba]

His return is not for the USA but for His church... i believe His Church to be victorious ....

Rev_7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

LOL at myself heehe
Spirit Dwelling in US ? sheesh senior moment that is us as in you and me not the USA

 

[Edward]

I don't know where the idea came from, but it's wrong. Too many scriptures to back this up that are very plain. For instance;

1 Corinthians 3:16, 1 Corinthians 6:19, 2 Corinthians 6:16, Ezekiel 36:27, Isaiah 63:11, 2 Timothy 1:14, Romans 8:11...

Shall I go on? I think not, we know this for a fact.

If it helps you to feel better reba, I also at first, thought he meant the U.S. (which brought to mind the question...remember the prince of the power of Persia, which delayed Gabriel from reaching Daniel sooner? I wonder if there is a prince of the power of the U.S.A.?)

 

[gr8grace3]

LOL at myself heehe
Spirit Dwelling in US ? sheesh senior moment that is us as in you and me not the USA

That is funny, I did read your post at first and said to Myself," That went over my head." Now I get it!

 

[Deborah13]

That is funny, I did read your post at first and said to Myself," That went over my head." Now I get it!

Me too.

 

[Butch5]

Rom_8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
1Co_3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
Col_2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
2Ti_1:14 That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us.
1Jn_3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1Jn_4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

I was told by a district supervisor that the Spirit does not "Dwell in US" but is associated with us in Christian life. Can any one tell me where such an Idea comes from, I missed that lesson!

I've wondered about this also. There are a few issues here, one is the word "en" and the other is whether the pronouns are meant singularly or as a plural. I haven't researched it to see what the passages actually say.

 

[Deborah13]

I've wondered about this also. There are a few issues here, one is the word "en" and the other is whether the pronouns are meant singularly or as a plural. I haven't researched it to see what the passages actually say.

Know ye - εἴδω eidō
Tense: Perfect
Voice: Active
Mood: Indicative
it's 2 plural

ye are -ἐστέ este
Tense: Present
Mood: Indicative
also 2 plural

ye -
2 Dative plural

http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/1co3.pdf
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=1Cr&c=3&t=KJV#s=t_conc_1065016

 

[RevSRE]

I do wish that the U.S. could be so related to "The Church", But I was not so generous the thought never crossed my mind. I will have to try to be more specific.

Please understand I believe the Spirit dwells in every Christian, in fact if you do not have the Spirit you are not saved
NKJV Rom 8:9 But you are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

I just wanted help on where that Idea came from, Not indwelled but associated. Thanks for the comments.

 

[Butch5]

Know ye - εἴδω eidō
Tense: Perfect
Voice: Active
Mood: Indicative
it's 2 plural

ye are -ἐστέ este
Tense: Present
Mood: Indicative
also 2 plural

ye -
2 Dative plural

http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/1co3.pdf
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=1Cr&c=3&t=KJV#s=t_conc_1065016

Hi Deborah,

Which passage are these from? There are many passages that will have to be considered if we are to do an exhaustive study.

 

[Deborah13]

I do wish that the U.S. could be so related to "The Church", But I was not so generous the thought never crossed my mind. I will have to try to be more specific.

Please understand I believe the Spirit dwells in every Christian, in fact if you do not have the Spirit you are not saved
NKJV Rom 8:9 But you are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

I just wanted help on where that Idea came from, Not indwelled but associated. Thanks for the comments.

I agree with you, we are indwelled. I've never heard associated but I'm going to see what I can find, if anything.
If you don't mind, what denomination is your supervisor?

 

[Deborah13]

Hi Deborah,

Which passage are these from? There are many passages that will have to be considered if we are to do an exhaustive study.

Oh sorry, 1 Corinth, 3:16
I can't really help, I don't know Greek, I just dabble.....the post was to encourage you. 2
I'm always learning from others knowledge.

 

[Butch5]

Oh sorry, 1 Corinth, 3:16
I can't really help, I don't know Greek, I just dabble.....the post was to encourage you. 2
I'm always learning from others knowledge.

Thanks Deborah!

 

[RevSRE]

I looked at several passages Ro 8:11 1 Cor 3:16 Col_2:9 2 Tim 1:14 They are 1st or 2nd Person By usage Dative Plural. The reference seems to be to a christian (Timothy) or The Church.

 

[Butch5]

I agree with you, we are indwelled. I've never heard associated but I'm going to see what I can find, if anything.
If you don't mind, what denomination is your supervisor?

I too have always been told that God/Spirit dwells inside of a person. However, there are some things that have made me wonder. For instance, suppose someone who is really a Christians falls into an adulterous affair. Is that God or the Holy Spirit present inside of that person while they are in the depths of that sin? I don't know, but it makes me wonder how God or the Spirit could be in that.

 

[Butch5]

I looked at several passages Ro 8:11 1 Cor 3:16 Col_2:9 2 Tim 1:14 They are 1st or 2nd Person By usage Dative Plural. The reference seems to be to a christian (Timothy) or The Church.

That's what I've found doing a quick search of the more memorable passages. I'm sure there are plenty that need to be checked. Since they are plural Paul is speaking of the group collectively. That would mean dwelling in the group collectively. I was looking for a passage that would require an interpretation where God/Spirit dwells inside of a single individual. That would pretty much make the case.

 

[RevSRE]

Look at 2 Tim 1:14 Paul says in Us. THE usage is "in you" the members of the Church" More than one person in a group.

 

[agua.]

I too have always been told that God/Spirit dwells inside of a person. However, there are some things that have made me wonder. For instance, suppose someone who is really a Christians falls into an adulterous affair. Is that God or the Holy Spirit present inside of that person while they are in the depths of that sin? I don't know, but it makes me wonder how God or the Spirit could be in that.

Gday Butch,

Isn't this the struggle between the Spirit and the flesh ? I mean the Christian may commit adultery but the Spirit will convince them they are in sin and lead them towards repentance. This is what Paul talked about in Romans 7&8 I think.