Church offers to refund tithes

[for_his_glory]

I think you are missing something here. These tithes didn't just pay for men to give the Word of God. It paid for the whole governmental system. The nation of Israel was a theocracy. The tithes paid for the judges who heard criminal and civil cases. They paid for the upkeep of the government not just the ministry. The whole government actually was God's ministry.



There is not a teaching of the tithe in the NT. Tithe simply means 1/10. You will have to show me where the 1/10 is taught in the NT. Not one of the scriptures you have listed speaks of a 1/10 of one's increase.

The covenant of grace is mentioned as giving from a joyful heart not because it is demanded by any law of the 1/10.

The reason for tithing under the law was to support the ministry, (Num. 18:21-26; Neh 10:37; 12:44; Mal 3:10) and to support the poor, (Deut. 14:27-29; 26:12-14). The tithe was used to further the work of God as the Priest only received a small portion for their needs and the rest of the tithe was used within the needs of the Temple.

Jesus instructed His Disciples to take nothing with them in their travels, but to live off what was given to them by others. (Matthew 10:10; Luke 10:7, 8) The Disciples did not teach in the Temples as the Priest did and at that time went from house to house and not Church building to Church building as they established the Church wherever they traveled to.

Paul never taught tithing, but yet gave the same principles of it as in not calling it tithing as in the OT covenant, but giving from the heart in the NT covenant of grace. (Gal 6:6; 1Corintihans 9:7-14; 16:2).

I never said we are to tithe as in the OT law as now we have a High Priest (Christ Jesus) after the order of Melchizedek in whom Abraham paid tithes to the High Priest back then, but now through the covenant of grace we give our best to the High Priest (Christ Jesus) in that of taking care of the needs of His Pastors so they will not have to work outside of their calling so they can concentrate on leading the flock.

It truly doesn't matter if we decide to tithe or not as long as we are doing it the right way and taking care of the needs of the Pastor, the Church (building expenses) and those in need

 

[Deborah13]

The reason for tithing under the law was to support the ministry, (Num. 18:21-26; Neh 10:37; 12:44; Mal 3:10) and to support the poor, (Deut. 14:27-29; 26:12-14). The tithe was used to further the work of God as the Priest only received a small portion for their needs and the rest of the tithe was used within the needs of the Temple.

Jesus instructed His Disciples to take nothing with them in their travels, but to live off what was given to them by others. (Matthew 10:10; Luke 10:7, 8) The Disciples did not teach in the Temples as the Priest did and at that time went from house to house and not Church building to Church building as they established the Church wherever they traveled to.

Paul never taught tithing, but yet gave the same principles of it as in not calling it tithing as in the OT covenant, but giving from the heart in the NT covenant of grace. (Gal 6:6; 1Corintihans 9:7-14; 16:2).

I never said we are to tithe as in the OT law as now we have a High Priest (Christ Jesus) after the order of Melchizedek in whom Abraham paid tithes to the High Priest back then, but now through the covenant of grace we give our best to the High Priest (Christ Jesus) in that of taking care of the needs of His Pastors so they will not have to work outside of their calling so they can concentrate on leading the flock.

It truly doesn't matter if we decide to tithe or not as long as we are doing it the right way and taking care of the needs of the Pastor, the Church (building expenses) and those in need

I agree with most everything you have said in this post.

So why do you think one must tithe from the gross?

 

[for_his_glory]

I agree with most everything you have said in this post.

So why do you think one must tithe from the gross?

because that is the actual income before taxes and that stupid little FICA person

 

[for_his_glory]

I will say I used to tithe as per OT law of 10%, but never saw the increase some Pastors teach about. It was when I learned to give from my heart, which was more than the tithe, is when Gods blessings started flowing in. Gods will is love and we are instructed to give love in all we do and say as this is what is pleasing to the Father and brings about His blessings.

 

[Deborah13]

because that is the actual income before taxes and that stupid little FICA person

stupid little FICA person :biggrin

 

[Deborah13]

I will say I used to tithe as per OT law of 10%, but never saw the increase some Pastors teach about. It was when I learned to give from my heart, which was more than the tithe, is when Gods blessings started flowing in. Gods will is love and we are instructed to give love in all we do and say as this is what is pleasing to the Father and brings about His blessings.

Do you believe that if you don't pay a 1/10 to the storehouse you will be cursed by God?

 

[AirDancer]

Fellowship Church in Grapevine, Texas, has launched "The 90-Day Challenge," which promises churchgoers, "that if you tithe for 90 days and God doesn't hold true to his promise of blessings, we will refund 100% of your tithe," the church said in a description of the event on its website.

What a dangerous and terrible thing to say/preach!

"...if....God doesn't hold true to his promise of blessings...." Saying it suggests that it's possible that our Lord God will not hold true to His promises.

 

[Deborah13]

What a dangerous and terrible thing to say/preach!

"...if....God doesn't hold true to his promise of blessings...." Saying it suggests that it's possible that our Lord God will not hold true to His promises.

I hadn't thought of it that way. But that is true.

 

[TOG]

because that is the actual income before taxes and that stupid little FICA person

stupid little FICA person :biggrin

Who is this FICA person?

The TOG​

 

[for_his_glory]

Who is this FICA person?

The TOG​

FICA is a good thing in the long run as even now I'm using it.

The Federal Insurance Contributions Act is federal legislation in the United States that mandates employers withhold a set percentage of their employees' salary each pay period. FICA also requires that the employers match the employees' amount and contribute the money to a government account known as the Social Security Trust Fund. This fund provides retirement income, as well as disability insurance, Medicare and benefits for survivors.

 

[for_his_glory]

Do you believe that if you don't pay a 1/10 to the storehouse you will be cursed by God?

Tithing is of the Mosaic law and we are no longer under the curse of the law (old covenant), but now under grace (new covenant) that we give to the storehouse from the heart.

 

[Edward]

What a dangerous and terrible thing to say/preach!

"...if....God doesn't hold true to his promise of blessings...." Saying it suggests that it's possible that our Lord God will not hold true to His promises.

I hadn't thought of it that way. But that is true.

I understand what you both are saying, and agree, however, is it possible that the church has so much faith in God that they say this, knowing that God will hold true to the promise? I think, *maybe* it is.

This is a tricky subject, and...I'm just not sure. :biggrin

 

[Deborah13]

I understand what you both are saying, and agree, however, is it possible that the church has so much faith in God that they say this, knowing that God will hold true to the promise? I think, *maybe* it is.

This is a tricky subject, and...I'm just not sure. :biggrin

I think he is probably standing on this scripture....
KJV
Mal 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
YLT
Mal 3:10 Bring in all the tithe unto the treasure-house, And there is food in My house; When ye have tried Me, now, with this, Said Jehovah of Hosts, Do not I open to you the windows of heaven? Yea, I have emptied on you a blessing till there is no space.

 

[Edward]

I think he is probably standing on this scripture....
KJV
Mal 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
YLT
Mal 3:10 Bring in all the tithe unto the treasure-house, And there is food in My house; When ye have tried Me, now, with this, Said Jehovah of Hosts, Do not I open to you the windows of heaven? Yea, I have emptied on you a blessing till there is no space.

That is a good scripture. He will and does hold true to the promise, even now, though I think that the obligation is gone and it is an offering now. Though if it is in ones heart as a tithe or a test that He will chuckle, and open the doors of the storehouse. I tithed my bill money before, stopped off on the way home real quick so my left hand didn't know what the right hand doeth, and my work phone rang before I was out of the parking lot! Praise God!