[_ Old Earth _] The end of Evolution ?

[twinc]

it seems,the biggest con and cover up finally uncovered - it seems this is the biggest of the many others in the past - see for yourself at www.TheGrandExperiment.com ....living fossils/part 2 by Dr.Carl Werner - twinc

 

[TOG]

Do you think you could tell us some more without us having to buy something?

The TOG​

 

[twinc]

Do you think you could tell us some more without us having to buy something?

The TOG​

you can see it and hear it etc before you even buy it or not - click on the website as stated - twinc

 

[TOG]

The link leads to the main page. Clicking on "Videos" just leads to short clips, not really enough to know what is being said.

The TOG​

 

[twinc]

The link leads to the main page. Clicking on "Videos" just leads to short clips, not really enough to know what is being said.

The TOG​

click on the small frame [What's all the fuss about] on the main page and then go Cornerstone TeleVision and click on living fossils interview - twinc

 

[TOG]

click on the small frame [What's all the fuss about] on the main page and then go Cornerstone TeleVision and click on living fossils interview - twinc

I would if I knew which small frame to click on. There are many of them. Why can't you just provide a link to the thing you're trying to show us?

The TOG​

 

[twinc]

I would if I knew which small frame to click on. There are many of them. Why can't you just provide a link to the thing you're trying to show us?

The TOG​

] the small frame reads 'What's all the fuss about' - has anyone else found it - twinc

 

[TOG]

Thank you. I don't have time now, but I'll try to watch it later, now that I know where it is.

The TOG​

 

[Milk-Drops]

I'm also having trouble getting to videos withou5 hqveing to pqy. Do you think you could summerize what th3 interview is about?

 

[TOG]

I'm also having trouble getting to videos withou5 hqveing to pqy. Do you think you could summerize what th3 interview is about?

If I understand correctly, these are the videos he's referring to.

The TOG​

 

[Milk-Drops]

If I understand correctly, these are the videos he's referring to.

Ah, I see. I'm listening to the first video and I'm noticing that the person means well but he is severely ignorant on a lot of what the theory of Evolution actually says. The premise seems to be that scientists have been wrong before so they are probably wrong now. Not to mention that the very beginning starts with the quote "The theory of Evolution states that the Universe......"

That was a big give away that this was not necessarily a good series since Evolution is a theory in biology and has zero to say about the origins of the universe and the theory has nothing to do with he origins of life itself.

Plus the documentary claims that Evolution is unquestionable, but the theory is always up for review or questioning, there is nothing stopping anyone from questioning it.

 

[twinc]

If I understand correctly, these are the videos he's referring to.

The TOG​

not exactly - via google see [Living fossils,,,,,,Werner] - twinc

 

[TOG]

not exactly - via google see [Living fossils,,,,,,Werner] - twinc

Those were the ones linked to on the site you pointed to. Did I get the wrong ones?

The TOG​

 

[twinc]

Those were the ones linked to on the site you pointed to. Did I get the wrong ones?

The TOG​

yes and no - trying to save you the long slog - I want the Living fossils, in particular, to be considered and commented on - twinc

 

[TOG]

yes and no - trying to save you the long slog - I want the Living fossils, in particular, to be considered and commented on - twinc

Then you meant these.

The TOG​

 

[twinc]

TOG - YOU HAVE IT AT LAST - HOPEFULLY WE CAN SAY AND PRAY 'Christian Evolutionists come back home now' - twinc

 

[Barbarian]

Right off the top is the claim that evolution is about the origin of the universe. Which means he's either stupid or dishonest.

Let's look at the three questions he says destroyed his "belief in evolution."

3 questions
"Big Bang violates thermodynamics"

Not according to physicists,

The key feature to bear in mind is that the gravitational potential energy is a negative quantity. You can see this by realizing that in order to separate two objects, one has to overcome the attractive gravitational force and this requires one to supply positive energy from outside. This is why launching satellites into space requires such huge amounts of positive energy supplied by fuel, in order to overcome the negative gravitational potential energy of the satellite due to the Earth's attractive force.


This negative gravitational potential energy exactly cancels out the positive energy of the universe. As Stephen Hawking says in his book A Brief History of Time (quoted by Victor Stenger, Has Science Found God?, p. 148): "In the case of a universe that is approximately uniform in space, one can show that this negative gravitational energy exactly cancels the positive energy represented by the matter. So the total energy of the universe is zero." In other words, it is not the case that something came out of nothing. It is that we have always had zero energy.
http://machineslikeus.com/news/big-...g-bang-theory-violate-law-conservation-energy

but it has nothing to do with evolution.

"Proteins don't form naturally"

In fact, they do. They can form on hot volcanic rocks, and short protein strings have been found in the interior of meteorites, including some amino acids that don't exist in living things on Earth.
http://www.pnas.org/content/101/25/9182.abstract

"Cell membranes don't form naturally. "

Actually, they do. Put phospholipid molecules (the molecule that makes up cell membranes) in water and they spontaneously form a bilayer that forms enclosed vesicles.

"Fossil record missing transitionals."

Let's test that. Someone tell me of any two major groups, said to be evolutionarily connected and we'll see if a transitional is known. There are still a few out there that we don't have, so someone might get lucky.

BTW, the fossil evidence that is even more damaging to creationism is not the huge number of transitional fossils, but the fact that there are no transitionals where the evidence says they shouldn't be.

The usual flapdoodle. The only remarkable thing is that they seem to think people will pay to see it.

 

[twinc]

Right off the top is the claim that evolution is about the origin of the universe. Which means he's either stupid or dishonest.

Let's look at the three questions he says destroyed his "belief in evolution."

3 questions
"Big Bang violates thermodynamics"

Not according to physicists,

The key feature to bear in mind is that the gravitational potential energy is a negative quantity. You can see this by realizing that in order to separate two objects, one has to overcome the attractive gravitational force and this requires one to supply positive energy from outside. This is why launching satellites into space requires such huge amounts of positive energy supplied by fuel, in order to overcome the negative gravitational potential energy of the satellite due to the Earth's attractive force.


This negative gravitational potential energy exactly cancels out the positive energy of the universe. As Stephen Hawking says in his book A Brief History of Time (quoted by Victor Stenger, Has Science Found God?, p. 148): "In the case of a universe that is approximately uniform in space, one can show that this negative gravitational energy exactly cancels the positive energy represented by the matter. So the total energy of the universe is zero." In other words, it is not the case that something came out of nothing. It is that we have always had zero energy.
http://machineslikeus.com/news/big-...g-bang-theory-violate-law-conservation-energy

but it has nothing to do with evolution.

"Proteins don't form naturally"

In fact, they do. They can form on hot volcanic rocks, and short protein strings have been found in the interior of meteorites, including some amino acids that don't exist in living things on Earth.
http://www.pnas.org/content/101/25/9182.abstract

"Cell membranes don't form naturally. "

Actually, they do. Put phospholipid molecules (the molecule that makes up cell membranes) in water and they spontaneously form a bilayer that forms enclosed vesicles.

"Fossil record missing transitionals."

Let's test that. Someone tell me of any two major groups, said to be evolutionarily connected and we'll see if a transitional is known. There are still a few out there that we don't have, so someone might get lucky.

BTW, the fossil evidence that is even more damaging to creationism is not the huge number of transitional fossils, but the fact that there are no transitionals where the evidence says they shouldn't be.

The usual flapdoodle. The only remarkable thing is that they seem to think people will pay to see it.

 

[twinc]

be that as it may be - it seems someone has got it wrong or been taught it wrong as per www.EvolutionvsGod.com - a bit like the Big Bang farce even now - twinc

 

[Barbarian]

It is always true that those who think they hate science, don't know what science is or what it says.