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THE DOWNFALL OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES?

That's 'kind of true' -- We buy "power" -you can call it "watts" or 'volt-amps' or "horsepower'-- it doesn't matter what you want to call it, you are purchasing the energy required to do something. And in reality-- you are buying time. That's why your power bill is rated in kilowatt-hours.
Power is produced in megawattage.
 
My old job was to read electric meters

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Charged was based on how long and how much .killowats used per hour came to be in the late 1890s.

Let me post a few photos .I can still read the old grid dial meters and I have a video of a net meter used for solar
 
That's 'kind of true' -- We buy "power" -you can call it "watts" or 'volt-amps' or "horsepower'-- it doesn't matter what you want to call it, you are purchasing the energy required to do something.
It's not kind of true, that's exactly what we buy. Take a look at your monthly bill. You are charged per kWh or kilowatt-hour. You're charged a rate for every 1,000 watts per hours used.

For example, here's a screen shot of our electric bill for the month of June. As you can see, the electric rate for our main meter was $.125 per kWh and we used 665 kWh during the month of June on that meter. The off-peak meter was for running our water heater and we're charged a lower rate of $.077 per kWh.

If you know the voltage and watts used to operate a device, you can calculate how long you can run it before using a kWh of power and how much it costs to operate it. Our 5K BTU window air conditioner is rated at 530w at full power. 530 / 1000 = .53 kW per hour. If it ran at full power continuously for one hour it would use 530w-hours. At $.125 per kWh, it would cost approximately $.125 x .53kWh = $.066 per hour to operate. Multiply by 24 and we get $1.59 per day. Multiply for 30 and we get about $47.00 per 30 day month.

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It's not kind of true, that's exactly what we buy. Take a look at your monthly bill. You are charged per kWh or kilowatt-hour. You're charged a rate for every 1,000 watts per hours used.

For example, here's a screen shot of our electric bill for the month of June. As you can see, the electric rate for our main meter was $.125 per kWh and we used 665 kWh during the month of June on that meter. The off-peak meter was for running our water heater and we're charged a lower rate of $.077 per kWh.

If you know the voltage and watts used to operate a device, you can calculate how long you can run it before using a kWh of power and how much it costs to operate it. Our 5K BTU window air conditioner is rated at 530w at full power. 530 / 1000 = .53 kW per hour. If it ran at full power continuously for one hour it would use 530w-hours. At $.125 per kWh, it would cost approximately $.125 x .53kWh = $.066 per hour to operate. Multiply by 24 and we get $1.59 per day. Multiply for 30 and we get about $47.00 per 30 day month.

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Isn't that what I said? Did you even read my post?

But hey-- I was only a journeyman electrician before I went into electrical engineering. Feel free to educate me.
 
Isn't that what I said? Did you even read my post?

But hey-- I was only a journeyman electrician before I went into electrical engineering. Feel free to educate me.
I mistakenly said volt-amps when I meant kWh. My mistake.
 
I mistakenly said volt-amps when I meant kWh. My mistake.

You "snipped" part of my post, quoted it and tried to make it appear as though I had said something inaccurate that you were correcting. In fact, I was correcting you.
 
You "snipped" part of my post, quoted it and tried to make it appear as though I had said something inaccurate that you were correcting. In fact, I was correcting you.
Yes, you win.

To help you understand a little about me too, I'm not a novice or totally ignorant about electrical systems although my experience is very pointed toward one area. I retired after 30 years in the electrical field. I have experience in assembling, installing, troubleshooting, designing, quoting, and sales for an industrial packaging machinery manufacturer. My experience/training included some rudimentary board level electronics, design and troubleshooting hard-wired motor controls, design and troubleshooting servo motor controls, sensor and actuator application, PLC/servo/operator panel/message display application and programming, and code studies and application including NEC, CSA, CE, NEMA, ANSI, and others. Also included in my experience is design and troubleshooting of pneumatic control circuits and mechanical design principals and applications.
 
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Yes, you win.

To help you understand a little about me too, I'm not a novice or totally ignorant about electrical systems although my experience is very pointed toward one area. I retired after 30 years in the electrical field. I have experience in assembling, installing, troubleshooting, designing, quoting, and sales for an industrial packaging machinery manufacturer. My experience/training included some rudimentary board level electronics, design and troubleshooting hard-wired motor controls, design and troubleshooting servo motor controls, sensor and actuator application, PLC/servo/operator panel/message display application and programming, and code studies and application including NEC, CSA, CE, NEMA, ANSI, and others. Also included in my experience is design and troubleshooting of pneumatic control circuits and mechanical design principals and applications.

Great-- with your background few would better understand why I took exception when you said, and then insisted that we buy power calculated in volt amps. Then after I pointed this out, you essentially doubled down. I actually tried to throw you a bone in saying your statement was "kind of true" (but not precisely) but then you came back with--

It's not kind of true, that's exactly what we buy. Take a look at your monthly bill. You are charged per kWh or kilowatt-hour. You're charged a rate for every 1,000 watts per hours used.


A "sorry mate" would have been appropriate instead of a lecture and presentation of your power bill-- which illustrated my point, not yours.

Oh well.... moving on. An admission is as good as an apology when no apology is offered. --And I would have let this slide if you had just left your post with "You win" -but you didn't. You came back and edited it to add your impressive curriculum vitae.
 
The ne is net ,the re is recieved and de is delivered .the ne is what you are billed .the higher it is the more you send back.de is what is sent to you and the recieved is what the panels made irc correctly
 
The ne is net ,the re is recieved and de is delivered .the ne is what you are billed .the higher it is the more you send back.de is what is sent to you and the recieved is what the panels made irc correctly

Sadly-- you just can't generate enough solar power to practically harness for vehicle operation.

I remember the first time I saw a Fisker Karma. I was at a hotel in Newport Beach and saw a nice car and when I went over to have a closer look (not knowing what kind of car it was) I was so surprised to see a solar panel roof. The idea being that it's own roof panels charge it's battery.

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You "snipped" part of my post, quoted it and tried to make it appear as though I had said something inaccurate that you were correcting. In fact, I was correcting you.
does it really matter ? you both know your stuff the the electrical field either way the electric cars trucks .in many areas when it comes to charging. the grid will suffer can anyone imagine trying to charge say a hundred at one time? if Biden so all fired up .he would find a way to ramp up or repair our grid system ..texas and calif both are stretched it looks good on paper . sounds good in speech but in reality kinks have to be worked out. fix the electrical grid then start your E.V o and btw i hold a phd in nothing = piled high and deep education is great common sense is even better
 
Sadly-- you just can't generate enough solar power to practically harness for vehicle operation.

I remember the first time I saw a Fisker Karma. I was at a hotel in Newport Beach and saw a nice car and when I went over to have a closer look (not knowing what kind of car it was) I was so surprised to see a solar panel roof. The idea being that it's own roof panels charge it's battery.

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I'm hardly pro solar .I know how the net metering works from work .the video is the last time I read one .I still can recall the homes that had them on the grid .I had to input the three reads on paper for Tallahassee
 
does it really matter ? you both know your stuff the the electrical field either way the electric cars trucks .in many areas when it comes to charging. the grid will suffer can anyone imagine trying to charge say a hundred at one time? if Biden so all fired up .he would find a way to ramp up or repair our grid system ..texas and calif both are stretched it looks good on paper . sounds good in speech but in reality kinks have to be worked out. fix the electrical grid then start your E.V o and btw i hold a phd in nothing = piled high and deep education is great common sense is even better
When we remodeled our home, I added electric baseboard heat throughout. I would have preferred to add an electric plenum heater to our existing forced air heating system but with the low ceiling in our basement, there wasn't enough room. The electric system is on a dual-fuel program. It is separately metered so we can get the electricity at about half price. The catch is that the power company has the option of turning the power off to the heating system during periods of high demand. Those periods are typically from about 5:00 pm until about 9:00 pm most evenings, especially when it is really cold or during the Christmas season (Thanksgiving till the new year), and from about 5:00 am until about 9:00 am most mornings. They are not able to handle the demand now. Imagine if even 25% of all drivers switched to EV's.

We are nowhere near ready and capable of meeting the demand it would put on our system yet.
 
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