THE DOWNFALL OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES?

[JLB]

Do you own an electric car?
Would you buy one?
Are you having problems with it?


A survey discovered that charging logistics is the primary reason why Americans aren’t buying electric vehicles.

Consumer Reports, which said it surveyed around 8,000 Americans, found that 61 percent said they wouldn’t seek to own an electric vehicle because of charging logistics while 55 percent cited the number of miles a vehicle can go per charge. Another 52 percent said that the costs of buying and maintaining an electric vehicle are cost-prohibitive.

Another 46 percent of the respondents stated they have not heard of any financial incentives available for owners of electric vehicles.

“We found that 14 percent of American drivers say they would ‘definitely’ buy or lease an electric-only vehicle if they were to buy a vehicle today,” said Consumer Reports. “That’s up markedly from the 4 percent who said the same in a 2020 nationally representative survey from CR of 3,392 licensed U.S. drivers.”

According to recent figures from Kelly Blue Book, the average price of a new electric vehicle hovered at roughly $56,000. In contrast, the average price of a new compact was about $25,000 at about the same time. The average price of a new, non-electric SUV was $34,000, while the electric version was nearly $45,000.

Meanwhile, a recent report from data analysis and advisory firm J.D. Power, however, found that electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids may have more problems than internal combustion engines.

While internal combustion engine vehicles averaged 175 problems per 100 vehicles, this jumped to 239 among plug-in hybrids and 240 among electric vehicles, a June 28 press release of the J.D. Power 2022 U.S. Initial Quality Study stated. Lower scores represented higher-quality vehicles.

Tesla models, which were included in the industry calculation for the first time, averaged 226 problems per 100 vehicles, according to the report.

“Automakers continue to launch vehicles that are more and more technologically complex in an era in which there have been many shortages of critical components to support them,” David Amodeo, director of global automotive at J.D. Power, according to the press release.

source: The Epoch Times

The electricity that is used to re-power the battery of an electric vehicle is produced by coal.

So much for reducing the carbon footprint.





JLB

 

[WIP]

One thing I don't quite understand is the negativity around EV's. Whenever the subject is brought up it immediately invokes negative comments. What does it matter to me if someone else owns an EV? Did we go through this when cordless drills first hit the market? How about electric chain saws, lawn mowers, weed whips, bicycles, etc.? Around here, electric ION ice augers are the newest craze in ice fishing. People love them.

I think they could be great for short daily commutes. Less noise pollution, lower emissions in city limits so reduced smog, no water dripping out of exhaust so reduced incidents of black ice in winter, faster warm-up for riders during winter commutes, and more. It's very common to see people using golf carts to get around town instead of jumping into their ICE vehicle. It's quick and convenient to just get in and go without needing to warm up the engine.

EV's do have considerably fewer moving parts to wear out compared to the ICE vehicles. No engine or transmission required. I worked as an electrical designer for an industrial packaging machinery manufacturer for 30 years. For the last 15 years that I was working, we redesigned our machines to use electric motors for all motion control, eliminating about 75% of all moving wear parts. The motors were brushless so there weren't even any brushes in the motors to wear out. In fact, downtime was reduced and this sat well with our customers.

On the other hand they may not be the most practical in cold climates for driving any distance. Anyone that lives and works in cold climates understands the negative impact cold temperatures have on batteries as well as fuel economy of ICE vehicles. Battery chemistry doesn't work as efficiently when its cold significantly reducing capacity and at the same time vehicles demand more power from the battery as the temperature gets colder. It's a double whammy.

Lithium Ion batteries also have issues charging when too cold (<32° F) or too hot (>120° F). If I leave my cell phone sitting on the seat in my truck during winter and then plug it in, I usually get a notification that charging has been halted because the phone battery is too cold. To compensate for this issue, EV's can be equipped with battery heaters but naturally, this puts added demand on an already compromised battery.

I recently was talking with a friend that is a Ford auto salesman and I asked him about EV's. He said they'd sell a lot of them if they could get them. Right now, just as with ICE vehicles, they are struggling to get new ones. I then asked him about the winter. He said they do have their drawbacks there. I live roughly midway between Fargo, ND and Minneapolis, MN which are about 200 miles apart. He told me that when they were driving some EV's from Fargo to Minneapolis while the temperature outside was near -20° F, The drivers were forced to stop in at their dealership to recharge before finishing the journey.

There are advantages and disadvantages for sure but why are so many people against them? What does it matter that our neighbor has an EV? It's just another new product to hit the market.

 

[jerry63935]

we have friends who drive truck for a living .. while in calif they observed a owner of a electric car pull up for a charge. called for gas run taxi service to take them on there errands

 

[jasonc]

No

Yes

I have a very good friend that has a Volt and he loves it. He's never had any issues with it.

Personally, I think they are cool. I work from home, but if I needed to go into work, they have charging stations where I can charge for free. considering it's a 100 mile round trip, it's like free gas!

I'm actually contemplating the new Chevy Electric Silverado when it comes out.

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Of course, I'm not talking about the high end model. I want the work truck which I hear will come in around 30k.

It boasts 400 miles on a charge, which is equivalent to our current Silverado and with gas prices, it would be a net saving each year.

Unless you can't charge them ,like in Texas has asked or after a hurricane .

Ask your family in Altoona about the four storms and how long they went without power.

My wife was two months

 

[jerry63935]

One thing I don't quite understand is the negativity around EV's.

i am not against them but some things comes into play one the price 2.the charge of the battery our electric grid system is is in sad shape and we want to add more on it.. cities are already shutting power off to build up electric. Biden wants all this but has no plans

 

[stovebolts]

Unless you can't charge them ,like in Texas has asked or after a hurricane .

Ask your family in Altoona about the four storms and how long they went without power.

My wife was two months

I’ve always got a backup…. So I’m not too concerned.

 

[stovebolts]

One thing I don't quite understand is the negativity around EV's. Whenever the subject is brought up it immediately invokes negative comments. What does it matter to me if someone else owns an EV? Did we go through this when cordless drills first hit the market? How about electric chain saws, lawn mowers, weed whips, bicycles, etc.? Around here, electric ION ice augers are the newest craze in ice fishing. People love them.

I think they could be great for short daily commutes. Less noise pollution, lower emissions in city limits so reduced smog, no water dripping out of exhaust so reduced incidents of black ice in winter, faster warm-up for riders during winter commutes, and more. It's very common to see people using golf carts to get around town instead of jumping into their ICE vehicle. It's quick and convenient to just get in and go without needing to warm up the engine.

EV's do have considerably fewer moving parts to wear out compared to the ICE vehicles. No engine or transmission required. I worked as an electrical designer for an industrial packaging machinery manufacturer for 30 years. For the last 15 years that I was working, we redesigned our machines to use electric motors for all motion control, eliminating about 75% of all moving wear parts. The motors were brushless so there weren't even any brushes in the motors to wear out. In fact, downtime was reduced and this sat well with our customers.

On the other hand they may not be the most practical in cold climates for driving any distance. Anyone that lives and works in cold climates understands the negative impact cold temperatures have on batteries as well as fuel economy of ICE vehicles. Battery chemistry doesn't work as efficiently when its cold significantly reducing capacity and at the same time vehicles demand more power from the battery as the temperature gets colder. It's a double whammy.

Lithium Ion batteries also have issues charging when too cold (<32° F) or too hot (>120° F). If I leave my cell phone sitting on the seat in my truck during winter and then plug it in, I usually get a notification that charging has been halted because the phone battery is too cold. To compensate for this issue, EV's can be equipped with battery heaters but naturally, this puts added demand on an already compromised battery.

I recently was talking with a friend that is a Ford auto salesman and I asked him about EV's. He said they'd sell a lot of them if they could get them. Right now, just as with ICE vehicles, they are struggling to get new ones. I then asked him about the winter. He said they do have their drawbacks there. I live roughly midway between Fargo, ND and Minneapolis, MN which are about 200 miles apart. He told me that when they were driving some EV's from Fargo to Minneapolis while the temperature outside was near -20° F, The drivers were forced to stop in at their dealership to recharge before finishing the journey.

There are advantages and disadvantages for sure but why are so many people against them? What does it matter that our neighbor has an EV? It's just another new product to hit the market.

I just think they are cool!

 

[stovebolts]

The electricity that is used to re-power the battery of an electric vehicle is produced by coal.

So much for reducing the carbon footprint.





JLB

I’d like to see a poll from EV owners and find out if climate change was their primary reason for purchasing one.

I have a friend who owns a Volt. He purchased it several years ago when gas was still cheap. His motivation was cost savings. His Volt is way cheaper to drive than my Cruze that gets 40mpg. We both used to commute 100 miles round trip every day.

 

[jasonc]

I’ve always got a backup…. So I’m not too concerned.

When gas isn't cheap that will a problem .

Even with a gas or diesel car the storms cause problem .

 

[Corn Pop]

Aside from the cost how much is it maintain a electric vehicle?. And also say for example the battery has a problem how much is it to replace?.

 

[hawkman]

I have a very good friend that has a Volt and he loves it. He's never had any issues with it.

A hybrid Volt ? Not the full electric Bolt ? Hybrid cars make a lot more sence to me than total dependence on a battery pack .

I'm actually contemplating the new Chevy Electric Silverado when it comes out.

Read the link here about towing with an electric truck , not ready for primetime it seems .
Ford Lightning Towing Test Shows Serious Problems
But the GMC may be better , I hope .

 

[hawkman]

Aside from the cost how much is it maintain a electric vehicle?. And also say for example the battery has a problem how much is it to replace?.

A relative had a Honda Accord Hybrid and it was going to be $2500.00 to replace the battery pack which I thought was not too bad . Hybrid and not full electric .

 

[Corn Pop]

How environmentally friendly is a battery?

 

[jasonc]

How environmentally friendly is a battery?

They can be recycled ,we recycle them already . Our phones and many electronics use them .

The issue is not enough rare Earth's for cars.

I have a battery powered drill,drop light ,two cell phones ,camera and my laptop .

 

[jasonc]

They also make lawn equipment fully charged and usable for commercial mowers

Look up kick gas lawn maintenance in Vero beach.he had no gas equipment

 

[jerry63935]

not buying the full environments stuff Biden is pushing. he has his limo he has jets . does he drive Lord i hope not he falls off a bike al Gore was big tree hugger but never practiced what he preached . a lot of this is about control they pushed windmill power i seen where the heat was affecting that

 

[hawkman]

One thing I don't quite understand is the negativity around EV's.

IMO they are being pushed on us with little choice left in ICE cars . Look at Ford and Chevys lineup now ,where are the 4 door ICE cars ?

I think they could be great for short daily commutes. Less noise pollution, lower emissions in city limits so reduced smog, no water dripping out of exhaust so reduced incidents of black ice in winter, faster warm-up for riders during winter commutes, and more. It's very common to see people using golf carts to get around town instead of jumping into their ICE vehicle. It's quick and convenient to just get in and go without needing to warm up the engine.

Yes we need cheap transportation ,we don't really need zero to sixty in 3 seconds . Point A to point B .
So why aren't we seeing economy minded electric cars ? IMO they want a lot more of us walking or riding public transportation .

government policy should be "taking millions of automobiles off the road."

 

[Nobody]

Let's ask the elites they always know best. Oops wrong question, suppose to ask how many arrived in private jets.

What she should be asking is how many are driving electric vehicles powered by wind and solar powered power plants.

 

[Mister E]

How environmentally friendly is a battery?

 

[Corn Pop]

not buying the full environments stuff Biden is pushing. he has his limo he has jets . does he drive Lord i hope not he falls off a bike al Gore was big tree hugger but never practiced what he preached . a lot of this is about control they pushed windmill power i seen where the heat was affecting that

People should always walk there talk otherwise they will never be taken seriously. Have to lead by example. If someone promotes lowering emissions and I see them sailing everywhere and driving an electric vehicle then I would give them credibility for there words.