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    12 reasons why hell is not eternal couscious torment - Part One

    Finally, to the idea that it is just our physical bodies here on earth that are mortal and not our souls then that means that if through the gospel Jesus gives us immortality then we aren't going to experience physical death.... and yet everyone does. That is silly. What is really meant...
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    12 reasons why hell is not eternal couscious torment - Part One

    Adam and Eve were told ...in the day (Hebrew Yom) you eat you shall die. The Hebrew word Yom often means a regular day but many times (67 times in the OT) it means time or period of time. So it doesn't prove anything to say that they had to die within a yom. When the bible says .... The...
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    12 reasons why hell is not eternal couscious torment - Part One

    First I wanted to answer the issue about when Jesus said to fear him who is able to destroy both body and soul in hell ...... some people said that Jesus only said He is able to destroy body and soul, not that He will...He just wanted people to fear and respect God. So imagine this... Let's...
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    12 reasons why hell is not eternal couscious torment - Part One

    Quote from Free Grace "Incorrect. Jesus gives the life of God, which is called "eternal life", NOT, as you claim, "immortality". Let's stay with what Scripture says and the words that Scripture uses." That is exactly what I am doing... 2nd Timothy 1:10 KJV "But is now made manifest by the...
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    12 reasons why hell is not eternal couscious torment - Part One

    To Free Grace... I just looked up Matt 10 28 in every single English translation there is.... on the bible gateway.com and every version translated the Greek word apollumi (the word for destroy) as destroy. Not a single translation chose to translate Apollumi in the way you suggested it...
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    12 reasons why hell is not eternal couscious torment - Part One

    Yes you are correct. I tried to say that in point 5 5. Hell is not eternal conscious torment because only believers in Jesus are given immortality. If you aren’t a Christian your soul is mortal and, thus, when you are cast into hell your soul will die. I bet you have been taught that the...
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    12 reasons why hell is not eternal couscious torment - Part One

    Are you saying that beings who were with God face to face and saw Him in all His glory and then rejected Him should get the same punishment as men who were born sinners because Adam sinned in their place in the Garden? Did Jesus die for the angels? Did God ever tell the Angels that for them...
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    12 reasons why hell is not eternal couscious torment - Part One

    Yes I think that the first death means the death of the body... but it is just temporary and not eternal because we will be resurrected. The second death is the very painful complete destruction of the whole person both body and soul and since there will be no resurrection from this it is an...
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    12 reasons why hell is not eternal couscious torment - Part One

    You are correct and I'm sure we all do that to some extent without meaning to. I really think that 95 percent of the issues with that could be resolved by noticing what type of passage we are looking at. If we are in a poetic section of scripture like the psalms and it says that God will...
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    12 reasons why hell is not eternal couscious torment - Part One

    Over the last 2000 years the church has developed a tradition that death means separation. They had to in order to support their doctrine of eternal torment in hell. So now whenever we read that the wages of sin is death, we are taught to ignore the word death and mentally insert the word...
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    12 reasons why hell is not eternal couscious torment - Part One

    So Free Grace says that the dictionary says that one possible meaning of destroy is to suffer in hell... Well actually this in an example of circular reasoning. First Jesus said to fear God who can destroy the body and soul in hell. Then during the next two thousand years many Christians took...
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    12 reasons why hell is not eternal couscious torment - Part One

    To Love through Dove... I am wondering if you read my 12 reasons hell is not eternal conscious torment at the first because I have already dealt with your question about the rich man and Lazarus. In that parable it is said that the rich man went to Hades (that is the Greek word) not Gehenna...
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    12 reasons why hell is not eternal couscious torment - Part One

    Luke 12:47 …46the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces, and assign him a place with the unbelievers. 47"And that slave who knew his master's will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, will...
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    12 reasons why hell is not eternal couscious torment - Part One

    There are differences in punishment but in Luke where it says some will receive many stripes and some few notice that the difference is not how hard or soft but how many or how few. Eternal torment could be hard eternally or soft eternally... but it couldn't be many or few because many or few...
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    12 reasons why hell is not eternal couscious torment - Part One

    Actually when we tell them they will burn forever that sounds so ridiculous that they don't take the scripture seriously. When we tell them something reasonable such as God will punish you as much as your sins deserve they know that is reasonable and so they start to get scared.
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    12 reasons why hell is not eternal couscious torment - Part One

    to answer your question.... I believe when a person dies if they are an unbeliever they will be judged and will go to hell. There they will be "beaten with many stripes" or with "few" depending on their sins. Then God will "destroy both body and soul in hell" Matthew 10:28
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    12 reasons why hell is not eternal couscious torment - Part One

    It is also true that satan may not want us to do away with the teaching of hell being eternal conscious torment. It may be that he likes that doctrine because in the minds of many it makes Christianity look ridiculous. Lots of people reject Christianity partly due to us insisting that God is...
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    12 reasons why hell is not eternal couscious torment - Part One

    It is funny to see people go to a very literal Book like the book of Romans and insist that when it says "the wages of sin is death" we need to take the word death figuratively to mean existing always in misery and unable to die forever. Then they go to a very Symbolic book like Revelation...
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    12 reasons why hell is not eternal couscious torment - Part One

    To Gary... Hello my friend... I wrote those 12 points and also put them on faithaloneministry.wordpress.com ... on that site I have published a couple of other articles and will be posting more in the near future. To Free Grace (by the way I like your name!) The word for hell in the New...
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    12 reasons why hell is not eternal couscious torment - Part One

    12. Hell is not eternal conscious torment because when Jesus had the opportunity to say that it was… He chose not to! Allow me to explain… Hell is a punishment…it is the suffering and death of the sinner both body and soul. Also it is an eternal punishment because the death of the soul is a...
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