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    The abomination of desolation

    Let's see: when was that world wide earthquake of the 6th seal? When was 1/3 of the trees burned up, and all the grass? When was the sea turned to blood? The further one goes in this direction, the more difficult it is to say these were events in the past. The truth is, they are yet in our...
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    1,260 Days, 1,290 Days, and 1,335 Days

    Your dreaming. That is a theory that simply does not fit the book of Revelation. There you find that the church is snatched away, BEFORE the 70th week (and the wrath of God) can begin. You see the raptured church in heaven, in chapter 7. The 70th week begins with the 7th seal. You will just...
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    Are the 144,000 Christian?

    I said that they were raptured to heaven. I wrote this: "John writes, "These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth." There can be no doubt that they know who this "Lamb" is, and that they believed in Him as their savior to even enter into heaven." Jesus said, that to see the...
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    The abomination of desolation

    Sorry, let me rephrase: It is impossible to make very much of Revelation into history, and STAY TRUE to the word of God, and the intended meaning by the author. Yes, you are right, many have their own personal interpretation, and that is possible, for it has happened a LOT. But that does not...
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    1,260 Days, 1,290 Days, and 1,335 Days

    Shilohsfoal, There is no room here for theories. Daniel was a Hebrew, and this was written many hundreds of years before the church came into being. This is a prophecy from a Hebrew to the Hebrews. We do not call this 7 year period of time, "Paul's 70th week," meaning a week for the Gentiles...
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    1,260 Days, 1,290 Days, and 1,335 Days

    Whoever wrote "Daniel's Timeline" is very confused about endtime dotrines. His thesis on the rapture takes many verse out of context. Coop
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    The abomination of desolation

    WRONG! That was only the first fulfilment. The Holy Spirit included that part in Luke, about the armies, so Christians would flee the city - which they did. But in Matthew and Mark, Jesus is speaking of the time of the end. Sorry, but 70 AD does not fulfill that or any of what we read in...
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    Are the 144,000 Christian?

    I must disagree with much in the previous posts. When John first mentions the 144,000 he gives us a good discription, so we KNOW what he is talking about. When they are mentioned again, in Chapter 14, John assumes the reader will immediately link their thoughts to the first mention of this...
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    are we in the middle of the 6th seal?

    I disagree. His reign as "God of this world," ends before the 1000 years begins. He is indeed let out of of the bottomless pit after the 1000 years, but only as a deceiver, not as the god of that present world. Therefore, somewhere between Rev. 4 and Rev. 19, his time as god of this world ends...
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    The Calling of the 144,000

    What kind of prophet was Joel? Or from what nation? Of course, from ISRAEL. So right off, one would guess that His prophecies would be directed at ....ISRAEL. And what is the context? 1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land...
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    are we in the middle of the 6th seal?

    Nadab, it is written: 2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. Matt 4 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain...
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    The Calling of the 144,000

    This has NOTHING to do with what I posted. Paul wrote that the "dead IN CHRIST" rise first. To be "In Christ" necessarily means they have accepted Christ's sacrifice. Then "we which are alive and remain" refer to the REST of those that are "in Christ." We, the church, those "In Christ" have NO...
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    The Beast of Revelations

    You are right that those ten kings will burn Jerusalem. They rule with the beast for "one hour." If not a real hour, then a very short period of time. I think the beast convinces them to come and totally destroy every last vistage of Israel, as an excuse to get them to Israel, where they will...
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    The Calling of the 144,000

    You are quite mistaken. Perhaps you can quote such a scripture, so we can see? How can you be so mistaken? The 144,000 are an EXACT number, 12,000 from each HEBREW tribe. This has NOTHING AT ALL to do with the church of Jesus Christ. How many times must you read this, before you understand what...
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    The Beast of Revelations

    You are looking at the wrong layer. This is also and END TIME vision. 17These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth. 18But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever. Sorry, but...
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    The Beast of Revelations

    What you have shown is true, but Daniel's truth comes in layers: You missed this: 17These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth. This is directly from the angel. Revelation tells us about the same thing, saying there are seven mountians AND there...
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    are we in the middle of the 6th seal?

    How interesting! Yet, we see this same word, "parousia," translated as "coming" in all these verses: 1Cr 16:17 I am glad of the coming of Stephanas and Fortunatus and Achaicus: for that which was lacking on your part they have supplied. 2Cr 7:6 Nevertheless God, that comforteth those...
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    The Beast of Revelations

    How is it, you can read in black and white, right in front of you, that these great beasts are four kings, and you look at it, and you read it, and then you deny the word of God? How can you do that? Well, I can tell you how: it is your preconceived glasses. I guess you also missed this verse...
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    The Beast of Revelations

    Dan 7 17These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth. Coop
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    The Beast of Revelations

    Kingdoms or nations do NOT ascend out of the bottomless pit. Devils do, and Satan does. Nations do not go to "perdition." People do, devils do, and Satan will. This is speaking of a man, possessed by Satan. It is not the man, nor a nation that comes out of the bottomless pit: it is Satan. But...
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