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It was Adam's, and through Adam's choice, he 'sold'(loose term) it into satan's hand. Do you know what sin is?

Your wrong. You think that I see death as a punishment. I don't. Eternal death, that is a sentence however. Physical death, that is relief.

You made it clear that you believed infants did need a Savior, which would save them from the destruction of their souls. The ONLY reason why a soul is destroyed is because they were sentenced to it. So I am trying to get clarity because on one hand you seem like you believe they need a...

There are no passages that teach it. I believe infants/young ones are 'saved' in Christ. This is where God's sovereignty comes into play. They too will stand before God and be judged. However, since they had never chose to do wrong - God will judge them based on that. Because Christ...

So do they need a Savior? Heb 9:27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,

Think "bondage". Adam 'sold' us into slavery to sin. Illustration - children born into slavery did not choose to be born into it, but since they are born into it they become the property of the slave owner.

I still think it comes down to understanding what sin is. I do not think that 'original sin' is passed through the father. The propensity, namely the desire, to sin is passed down through the father. We have to remember, it was Adam that God had given the commandment to, and it was Adam who...

We limit it to humans because animals will not face the eternal sentence of death. They are simply complex 'machines' God created - they were not created like humans. When an animal dies, that is it - no judgement - no need for a Savior. Why would an infant, who has no sin, have their soul...

No, I may suffer the result of what their sin did - but I will not suffer the cost of their sin. Think of it this way - I may 'loose' the money I had, but I cannot be sentenced to jail for their theft. Death is the sentence of sin alone, not just a coincidence. Adam was not told that he would...

He was born from a virgin, not having an earthly father, specifically because the 'nature' to sin is passed through the male 'seed'. The woman was deceived, Adam chose to sin. Christ did not have the 'nature' to sin simply because He did not have an earthly(biological) father. Rom 5:12-18...

So do infants have to 'pay the price' for sins they have not committed? What specifically do they need saving from? A "Savior" implies one needs to be "saved" correct?

I am just trying to understand your logic is all. I do not believe a newborn has sinned per say. So why would a newborn need a Savior?

StoveBolts So do you believe we are innocent at birth? If so, then do children who die at birth need a Savior?

I quoted 1 John 3:4-10. What do you find offensive about what John says? I did not make any gospel presentations.

I did not charge you with that. I was making a statement. If you feel like it was directed toward you then it is your own conscience - I would listen to it. I have no need to go back and forth with you. That is why I said what I did. John is clear. The words we read are clear. The person...

It is assumptive. To the point though, why will they perish after they die? "Assuming" they have never sinned that is.

So did God create them to die? Why do they die?

2Co 5:21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. Jesus only died because He had sin put on Him. So, do you have another example of death that comes from not having any sin? I do not think we can equate ourselves with...

Take a picture of the electric box. Post it or send it to me in a text. You'll need a digital multimeter. More simple than what you may think. People actually pay me to do stuff like this so it has to be. :)

Well, if you have power to one side of the breaker, then you know it's bad. :). If there is no power on one side, then you go back to the next device in line. If you do have power, then just swap the breaker. You can't fix them things. :)