[__ Science __ ] “Gay” Mice Can Make Babies?

[jasonc]

And you need have used ad 1000.

Up to the early 40s it wasn't uncommon to have kids ,infants die.

I have photographed many a infant graves I just don't often post them here.

 

[Barbarian]

We may live longer ,but as a race we certainly aren't any more moral.

I have my love of the old days but I also know my parents protected me


John's Walsh ,he lived in Vero ,his sons head was found a few miles south of where I live .

Then there is the fhp neighbor who was found guilty of raping and murdering randomn motorists.

The fhp officer killed at the zippy mart on ranch road .also close to where I live .

I just don't hold science as this cure all as in sci Fi

Technology can let us live longer and more comfortable lives. It can teach us how to help others. It can reduce suffering and starvation. But it can't make us more moral. That's what God sent a Savior to do.

 

[Barbarian]

It's been a tremendous benefit. The problem is it's supposed to be guided by ethics and it's not.

You've confused science with technology. Scientific ethics relate to honesty and ethical treatment of people or animals during investigations.

Technology is applied science and where most of the bad stuff happens, along with a great deal of good stuff.

 

[Barbarian]

Up to the early 40s it wasn't uncommon to have kids ,infants die.

Yeah, immunizations and better medical care greatly improved the chances of a kid growing to adulthood. In AD 1000, most of them did not.

 

[jasonc]

You've confused science with technology. Scientific ethics relate to honesty and ethical treatment of people or animals during investigations.

Technology is applied science and where most of the bad stuff happens, along with a great deal of good stuff.

Look up darpa and why NASA and they use an old afb and are part of the military .

I'm not against the use of exploration of tech .you probably are close to my dad's age .

I'm not a NASA nut like he was.he hated the useless space shuttle.we can do more then orbit the earth ,John Glenn already did that . His words not mine .so I have his influence on knowing about NASA and also proximity to Patrick sfb and employees who tell me things.

The tracking stations for our early NASA missions were an af and navy mission ( recovery was navy or coastie)
We have a beach called tracking station that has that mission and also observatory .on a1a there was a tracking station that was used by the af for a while ,it is now razed.

It was both radar and stellar observation.

Cape caneveral Nas ,and NASA launch pads ,often confused .NASA once had all launch stations there and now it only has two.

I had a soldier in my unit who would share videos of launches and the sheer force of what they do with fences a good Mile away.tjr exhaust is aimed to do that .a chain link fence would be pushed down .

A few fires started as well .

My pastor is big on Elon musk and other rocket launches

 

[jasonc]

Yeah, immunizations and better medical care greatly improved the chances of a kid growing to adulthood. In AD 1000, most of them did not.

John t O'Rourke ,grandpa.1907 to 1991
Eleanor O'Rourke 1904 to 2002 his sister .

Two of nine born to John O'Rourke Sr.

I know the story .

 

[Barbarian]

As I suspected, in mice as in humans, you only get maternal mitochondria. Dads provide no mitochondria. So no, two male mice could not produce a viable embryo, even with much technological fiddling.

 

[Riven]

As I suspected, in mice as in humans, you only get maternal mitochondria. Dads provide no mitochondria. So no, two male mice could not produce a viable embryo, even with much technological fiddling.

Why does this even matter? See, this is the problem with science. Instead of coming up with practical solutions to things, they would rather play with mice all day.

When they're not molesting mice, they're creating super viruses. And they get away with it. No one's arrested. No one is held accountable. Scientists are like meteorologists. They get it wrong and it's like, ah, what the hell can you do?

 

[jasonc]

We didn't need to explore space .all that was a cold war competition.

If Russia got to space first and mastered it( barbarian is old enough to remember Sputnik ) then the fear was they could also attack from space.russia probably thought the same .

My dad was 9 mom 8 .

Lots of things we benefited from space exploration. I get the point .my point was that we often use it maliciously.

 

[Barbarian]

Why does this even matter?

For one thing, it means you can't get viable offspring from two males, even with a lot of technical effort. No mitochondria. And you can't even think a thought without mitochondria.

See, this is the problem with science.

It tends to throw wrenches into so many dearly held beliefs. Sorry about that.

Instead of coming up with practical solutions to things, they would rather play with mice all day.

Like those screwworm flies. And yet snooping around to find out about the sex life of screwworm flies saved the cattle industry in many states. There's a moral there for anyone who bothers to think about it for a bit. Give it a try?

When they're not molesting mice, they're creating super viruses.

Actually, bats aren't scientists. Thought you knew. They did use what they learned from the viruses infecting bats to develop a vaccine that saved millions of lives, however.

And they get away with it. No one's arrested.

People were actually grateful for the vaccines. Thought it was a good idea, saving lives. People can be funny that way.

No one is held accountable.

Actually, that's entirely wrong. Scientists who fake data or break ethical standards for experimentation usually lose their careers. It's one of the few human activities where such breaches are pretty much guaranteed to ruin one's career.

Scientists are like meteorologists. They get it wrong and it's like, ah, what the hell can you do?

Maybe meteorologists in some other nations aren't as good as the ones here. I notice that the reports I get are very dependable. But scientists are constantly doing research that proves they were wrong. They actively look to prove the null hypothesis, because that leads to the truth.

One famous inventor remarked that he wasn't discouraged after failing X hundred times to make a useful light bulb. "I learned X hundred ways not to make a light bulb."

Sometimes science is that way. A lot of human activity is like that. If you look at any technology we use, you'll find it was possible because of many, many mistakes that showed the way to the right way.

 

[Barbarian]

We didn't need to explore space .all that was a cold war competition.

We didn't need to smelt iron or make steam engines, either. But they were useful, much as many technologies developed for space exploration were useful.
Rocket science wasn't one of them, at least initially. Goddard's work on liquid-fueled rockets made the V-2 possible. Here's about 30 useful technologies we learned in the process of space exploration.

30 Inventions from space exploration. – Arrowdynamic Laboratories Pte Ltd

blog.arrowdynamiclabs.com

As you say, some of these have been used maliciously. Nothing man develops is impossible to misuse for evil.

If Russia got to space first and mastered it( barbarian is old enough to remember Sputnik ) then the fear was they could also attack from space.russia probably thought the same .

It was a simpler thought. If they could build a system to put a satellite into orbit, they could build an ICBM. And that's true.

 

[Riven]

For one thing, it means you can't get viable offspring from two males, even with a lot of technical effort. No mitochondria. And you can't even think a thought without mitochondria.


It tends to throw wrenches into so many dearly held beliefs. Sorry about that.

Like those screwworm flies. And yet snooping around to find out about the sex life of screwworm flies saved the cattle industry in many states. There's a moral there for anyone who bothers to think about it for a bit. Give it a try?


Actually, bats aren't scientists. Thought you knew. They did use what they learned from the viruses infecting bats to develop a vaccine that saved millions of lives, however.

People were actually grateful for the vaccines. Thought it was a good idea, saving lives. People can be funny that way.

Actually, that's entirely wrong. Scientists who fake data or break ethical standards for experimentation usually lose their careers. It's one of the few human activities where such breaches are pretty much guaranteed to ruin one's career.


Maybe meteorologists in Russia aren't as good as the ones here. I notice that the reports I get are very dependable. But scientists are constantly doing research that proves they were wrong. They actively look to prove the null hypothesis, because that leads to the truth.

One famous inventor remarked that he wasn't discouraged after failing X hundred times to make a useful light bulb. "I learned X hundred ways not to make a light bulb."

Sometimes science is that way. A lot of human activity is like that. If you look at any technology we use, you'll find it was possible because of many, many mistakes that showed the way to the right way.

Sure, but nobody was grateful for the virus. Except big pharma. They were VERY happy. It was so successful that it wouldn't surprise me if we get a sequel to covid sooner rather than later. Recurring revenue streams are all the rage these days.

 

[jasonc]

Sure, but nobody was grateful for the virus. Except big pharma. They were VERY happy. It was so successful that it wouldn't surprise me if we get a sequel to covid sooner rather than later. Recurring revenue streams are all the rage these days.

Anthrax ,well known to be useful for biological attacks but no longer occuring naturallky.

It doesn't grow In canisters to be used. Until say the late 80s chemical and bio warfare was lawful in war .

Oddly chemotherapy came from mustard gas and man decided to modify it to cure cancer .

 

[Barbarian]

Sure, but nobody was grateful for the virus.

They were, however, grateful that we have the technology to produce effective vaccines.

Except big pharma.

Tell us what percentage of income of 'big pharma' comes from vaccines. It appears that you don't know.

They were VERY happy.

Now, it's obvious that you don't know. About 20% of Pfizer's income is from vaccines, for example.

It was so successful that it wouldn't surprise me if we get a sequel to covid sooner rather than later.

Influenza was like that, too. Viruses, after pandemics, usually become endemic and never go away completely. It's not some evil right-wing conspiracy by greedy businessmen. It's just the way viruses work.

 

[Barbarian]

Anthrax ,well known to be useful for biological attacks but no longer occuring naturallky.

Anthrax is still around in the wild, but it's much less common than it once was. Outbreaks are rapidly addressed and so it's not something we see normally. But wild hoofed mammals remain a reservoir of infection.

Oddly chemotherapy came from mustard gas and man decided to modify it to cure cancer .

Not many people know that. It's a rare case where something intended for an evil purpose, was turned to a benefit.

 

[jasonc]

Anthrax is still around in the wild, but it's much less common than it once was. Outbreaks are rapidly addressed and so it's not something we see normally. But wild hoofed mammals remain a reservoir of infection.

Not many people know that. It's a rare case where something intended for an evil purpose, was turned to a benefit.

The jet engine . microwave..

 

[Barbarian]

The jet engine . microwave..

Yes.

 

[Riven]

They were, however, grateful that we have the technology to produce effective vaccines.

Tell us what percentage of income of 'big pharma' comes from vaccines. It appears that you don't know.


Now, it's obvious that you don't know. About 20% of Pfizer's income is from vaccines, for example.


Influenza was like that, too. Viruses, after pandemics, usually become endemic and never go away completely. It's not some evil right-wing conspiracy by greedy businessmen. It's just the way viruses work.

It's common knowledge that big Pharma won big with covid. It's not a conspiracy. The drug industry is a buisness. They want to maximize profit.

Pfizer reports record revenue, expects Covid-19 vaccines to be commercialized later this year

Company executives said they estimated 2023 would be a transition year as the company pivots to a commercial market instead of a government market.

www.politico.com

 

[Barbarian]

It's common knowledge that big Pharma won big with covid.

That's what conspiracy buffs say about everything that they don't have any evidence to support.

The drug industry is a buisness. They want to maximize profit.

I thought communism crashed and burned in Eastern Europe years ago.

Of course businesses are there to make money. Just as their employees work to earn money. That's why we have regulation. But some "common knowledge" conspiracy stories don't mean anything unless you have some evidence.

 

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