“Works”

[for_his_glory]

And I never said you said grace originated with man. I simply commented on the verse from Ephesians you quoted.

I do apologize as I took it the wrong way

 

[for_his_glory]

And I never said you said grace originated with man. I simply commented on the verse from Ephesians you quoted.



Because if MAN has to believe and ask (both works / something man does), and in return salvation is granted, then salvation is dependent upon a work man must do.




Yes, of course. And don't forget the preceding verse...

"Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." (v. 12)



But being believing / asking and now being obedient are all things MAN does. God doesn't do the believing / asking / obeying. Man does. They are works of man.

You still do not get the concept salvation is free as Jesus paid the price. Works are that which follows salvation in those deeds we do in servitude to the Lord.

In post #15 I already explained what "work out your own salvation" means.

Believing and asking are not works, but a conscience decision we make in accepting Jesus as our Lord and Savior.

 

[Walpole]

You still do not get the concept salvation is free as Jesus paid the price. Works are that which follows salvation in those deeds we do in servitude to the Lord.

In post #15 I already explained what "work out your own salvation" means.

But it has been established that before one can obtain salvation, one must believe / ask for it. If it was free (as in having no obligation), then all would be saved without having to do anything such as believe / ask.

You can't say it's free and then say there are strings attached (believing / asking).

Believing and asking are not works, but a conscience decision we make in accepting Jesus as our Lord and Savior.

Believing and asking are most definitely works; for they are both exertions / efforts to produce or accomplish something.


In other words, they are both things one does.